Poppin' in from next door ladies and gents! o7.

Thank you for your efforts in battle. I give you four tears of gratitude every time my measly 162 armor is insta-healed by your magical and magnificent repair tool devices (which is rare because usually I'm all off alone being nefarious.)

Poppin' in from next door ladies and gents! o7.

Thank you for your efforts in battle. I give you four tears of gratitude every time my measly 162 armor is insta-healed by your magical and magnificent repair tool devices (which is rare because usually I'm all off alone being nefarious.)

Thank you for the correction. Iknow that commandos and sentinels have bonuses for certain weapons. I have noticed on the comando that the normally small arms slot is considered the secondary weapon. Warbarge bonus to hit is for primary weapons only.

I'd like to point out that we Sentinels don't get any sort of damage or function bonus for our Heavy Weapons, unlike Commandos and Assaults, we only a fittings bonus to promote the use of Heavy Weapons over Light Weapons.

EDIT: while I'm here, from a Sentinel, thank you Logis for your support on the battlefield.

I'd like to point out that we Sentinels don't get any sort of damage or function bonus for our Heavy Weapons, unlike Commandos and Assaults, we only a fittings bonus to promote the use of Heavy Weapons over Light Weapons.

EDIT: while I'm here, from a Sentinel, thank you Logis for your support on the battlefield.

I decided when I respec next I'm going to go Cal Logi. This is my fit I propose:
Equipment:
1 Allotec nanohive
1 Wyirkomi triage hive
1 pro needle
1 six kin triage rep tool
Modules:
3 complex armor plates
5 shield extenders

Weapons:
Assault MD
Core nades (obviously)

You are going to be slow af, and I am not sure if you will have the pg/cpu for that much of a dual tank + equipment.

it seem a bit to much of a 'I'll just sit here and let my team do the work fit for my liking.

maybe a reg or recharger so you have some sort of reps on shields, and switch to ferroscale or reactive on at least one of the plates, other wise when you take damage, you will not be able to rep fast enough to survive.


Now on the weapons, For a cal logi, I would go more of a RR than a MD, but that is just me.

The nades I'd change to a flux, again just me.

Most important thing; you will be a logi not an assault, not a commando, not a scout, and definitely not a heavy.

You will be weak, and you will be caught without your weapon. It is just how it is.

I would not tank that suit with complex plates.

It will slow you down so much, and prevent you from being as useful, especially as a suit that will be running to and from combat zones to provide support.

Think on that.

PS: drop one of those hives for a link in a suit copy, its best to be prepared.

I debated on the low slots and this was my reasoning:
1. What's the point of having this amazing armor rep rate from my hives if there's no armor to repair. Also this fit is made for point defense, once I get to an objective I don't plan on moving, at all.

On the weapon I think I will change that.

I'd like to point out that we Sentinels don't get any sort of damage or function bonus for our Heavy Weapons, unlike Commandos and Assaults, we only a fittings bonus to promote the use of Heavy Weapons over Light Weapons.

EDIT: while I'm here, from a Sentinel, thank you Logis for your support on the battlefield.

I decided when I respec next I'm going to go Cal Logi. This is my fit I propose:
Equipment:
1 Allotec nanohive
1 Wyirkomi triage hive
1 pro needle
1 six kin triage rep tool
Modules:
3 complex armor plates
5 shield extenders

Weapons:
Assault MD
Core nades (obviously)

Have you tried to actually fit this yet? I'm pretty confident you won't be cramming the described set up on the current CPU/PG of the CalLogi.

Do a quick check of the math...the logi's have all been normalized for CPU / PG but their slots are radically different. More to the point high and low slot modules have very large swings in relative resource appetites.

Example...fill your equpiment slots first as you described then look at the choices you make in high & low slot options. Now try the same drill with Gallente Logi and you start to see the picture; the CPU hungry Cal Logi is heavily constrained from the starting line due to the resource cost of high slot mods in comparison to other suits in it's class.

I'd like to point out that we Sentinels don't get any sort of damage or function bonus for our Heavy Weapons, unlike Commandos and Assaults, we only a fittings bonus to promote the use of Heavy Weapons over Light Weapons.

EDIT: while I'm here, from a Sentinel, thank you Logis for your support on the battlefield.

I do my best and thank you for correcting me again. Seems all I know is that I want a commando with two equipment slots.

Stormraider's has two eq.

I agree.

Shayz come back to us... Pretty plz with Syrup on top...

His PS3 died.

Good point on the bonuses.

Also, you're quite welcome (even if I have spent more time in a heavy frame lately than providing proper logi)

@ Cross Atu

There is a problem with the GalLogi's scans. I'm baffled and somewhat disappointed by the Logi Community's failure to own the problem. Perhaps I've overlooked them (and if so, apologies) but the only recent posts on the topic from those who frequent the Triage Ward read "everything is fine, just need more WP" ... and then there's the assorted nonsense put up by your resident Spkr, which certainly doesn't help.

Assume roles were reversed. I'd fully expect you and other well-informed and level-headed Logis here to knock on our door and take the Barbershop to task if we were defending imbalance or standing by silent while being misrepresented by our village idiots (and we have quite a few). Point being, it is not my intent to be disrespectful in coming here with concern; I'd expect the same from you guys.

So, what is the Triage Ward's official position these days on the GalLogi's scans? Is there consensus in that "everything is fine, just need more WP" or do you guys think there's room for improvement?

This caught my eye because its very similar to something I was thinking about. The idea is to avoid Active Scanners having a 'permascan" feature which I think we can all agree on as being something that is not a good thing. Here is my version of what I think Stefan was getting at.

• Active Scanners have an charge meter much like Cloaks, that discharge while in use and recharge when not in use.
• Scanners have a minimum precision and duration
• While active, precision gradually improves.
• Because there is a max duration of scan, there is an effective max precision.
• If a target's profile ever exceeds the current precision of the scanner, the target will show up on scans.
• Targets will appear on scans for the duration of the scan (and potentially a short time after)
• The closer a target is to the max signature of the scanner, the less time they will spend on scans, and the more time the scanner will need to dedicated to scanning down that target.

http://smg.photobucket.com/user/leowen/media/activescanner_zpsw9lnfy7h.png.html

Thoughts?

Herro xD

I would like to ask some advice on what are effective Logi Fittings for PC

I am currently logi lvl 4 for both Gallente and Amarr ( I use the LP proto suits)

All Cores and equipment lvl 5

Any recommended PC fits for these two?

I just started spec'ing into Minlogi as well but I'm only lvl 2

I generally stack Complex Reactive and Ferro plates and use either RR, ARR, CR, or ACR.

High slots are generally 2 eh shield extenders and either a Precision mod or shield recharger

flux nades to avoid accidents

Any unique fittings out there that I should try?

TY

Question about Myofibs?
Is anyone running those on their suits to get uplinks high? If so, what does your suit look like.
The only example I have seen is a Cal logi with a MD.

I used to have one on my min logi, but it feels like a waste considering I usually die to a shotgun to the back or SCR when I am in the open.

I know with three krins making 12% plus the 3% just to be able to use it makes me at least 519 without FW suit bonuses. It's a guaranteed kill or kill assist for anti-logi logi.

@ Cross Atu

There is a problem with the GalLogi's scans. I'm baffled and somewhat disappointed by the Logi Community's failure to own the problem. Perhaps I've overlooked them (and if so, apologies) but the only recent posts on the topic from those who frequent the Triage Ward read "everything is fine, just need more WP" ... and then there's the assorted nonsense put up by your resident Spkr, which certainly doesn't help.

Assume roles were reversed. I'd fully expect you and other well-informed and level-headed Logis here to knock on our door and take the Barbershop to task if we were defending imbalance or standing by silent while being misrepresented by our village idiots (and we have quite a few). Point being, it is not my intent to be disrespectful in coming here with concern; I'd expect the same from you guys.

So, what is the Triage Ward's official position these days on the GalLogi's scans? Is there consensus in that "everything is fine, just need more WP" or do you guys think there's room for improvement?

I doubt there's any official position, we're all just individuals here sharing a common topic.
There's also less talk about it because frankly both the gal logi and the active scanner are simply not run as often as the min or amarr logi or the equipment counterparts repair tool and uplinks. Both scans and hives can absolutely have an impact on the outcome of a battle, but they are still overshadowed by reps and uplinks when it comes to the usual logi tool kit, thus conversations on them are more limited and frequently cast in the "what would make them appealing enough to run more equally" light.

There is no "everything is fine" consensus about the scanners, they have many problems (of which yes the mechanics of WP earning is one) but it is vital to note that it is problems plural not problem singular.

As I have stated on numerous occasions, several of them directly to you, the scanner is neither OP nor UP because it has enough issues that they 'cancel out' as far as the power curve, but since two wrongs don't make a right it still leaves the scanner broken without being outright OP or UP.

Very few folks disagree with the assessment that the binary system for ewar is unfortunate at best, so no final situation is going to be ideal as long as that remains true, that being the case any solution has to look to the margins for traction.
One key margin is to address the scanner and the gal bonus as the separate entities they are.
We don't rebalance shield regs by focusing on the CalSent, or alter the baseline stats of the combat rifle based on the MinAss, nor are damps balanced based on the bonus of the Gal Scout.
Of course edge cases and total possible net function must be considered, of that there is no question, but comparing only, or even primarily, absolute edge cases is going to yield no valuable margin when it comes to the binary state of ewar.
Thus considering scan vs base profiles, scan vs base + general skills, scan vs base + gen + role, and scan vs base + gen + role + damps are all worthwhile. Including in that at the far end the gal bonus as well is also worthwhile.
When we reach that point however other mechanical considerations also enter the picture, for example passive vs active is a key element. The raw stat profiles do not tell the full tail, damps on a suit cost possible HP, active scans cost cpu/pg but as important as the fittings implications are the battle implications, to scan one must have the scanner out, not a weapon. To 'chain scan' one must have a consecutive series of scanners out rather than a weapon.
Passive scans and damps by contract do not require this trade off.

Then there are sub aspects of the scanners, for example team scanners vs squad scanners.
Range, duration, and angle vs precision.
These must be considered and accounted for.

On balance the highest precision scanner run but a suit with max bonuses to scan should (in our unfortunate binary situation) be the final word in the ewar tug of war. However, at what range does that happen? For what duration? With what angle of application? Is that a team scan or squad? (I'd lean towards squad) What is the PG/CPU cost of that scanner?
In short what is the opportunity cost of running the racial role of the suit at the highest level?

There's also another factor to consider here, that is the cloak. In it's current form it does not offer much in the way of damp, however shifting some the overall "pie" of damping away from other aspects currently in game, racial bonuses, mods, et al, and toward the cloak with it's built in limited duration adds intriguing possibilities for interplay and a real case could be made that a cloak with a lower total duration could warrant a higher total damp value, perhaps even enough to grant supremacy even against the gal active scans. Again it all comes down to the margins and the opportunity costs.

Right now, the opportunity cost for active scans is generally too high to be worth running for support players and also too high to be worth running against for most stealth players. And in that sense it joins the rest of the equipment line in needing some high value work, I can cite substantial issues with every item that fits into an equipment slot and very much support a full equipment pass (vehicle equipment included).

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