true, if you want to you can hasten the revive by switching to your nanite injector before you reach him.

in case you didn't know..... you probably did..... that was probably an irrelevant statement......

Well thanks for making me feel important, I have a learned a few jems of advice over this past year.

Glad to help

no, I believe all commandos only have one, except possibly the officer, but other than that no.

to find out if the officer suit does, you will have to ask someone else, I dont have much knowledge on commandos

It's that curve I disagree with.

Skirmish warfare, not guerilla / terror warfare. A significant portion of min health is still armor and passive reps without armor repairers didn't used to be a thing when the repair tool was first implemented. Delocalized armor repair allows for more utility oriented fits (kincats, cardiac regs, etc).

I've been quietly trying to foster some discussion regarding the idea of differently sized grenades.

So standard 'medium' grenades would probably be the gamut of what we currently have (and it might include a core locus grenade nerf as that thing is unbelievably stupid). These grenades would go to the assault and basic medium frame... and maaaaybe to scout.

Light grenades would probably be more 'support' oriented and for an example a 'light' flux grenade would have the same explosion size but half the damage. These would go to logistics and maybe commando's and would probably be oriented towards destroying equipment - not people.

Heavy grenades would be sentinel only pure nasties and could include heavy av grenades (think wiyrkomi breach forge gun round in your pocket) or heavy contact grenades (700 damage on direct hit?). They'd probably be limited to one or two of them and they shouldn't exactly be easy to use.

I've spent some time thinking about this as based on some of the 'KDR' numbers I think that there are some balance concerns with current grenades - A prime example would be the callogi sitting at the >3 kdr, which i think might have something to do with core locus grenades (at least that's my hunch) and commando's could maybe use 'something' to help them out a little bit more. I've also experienced some dropsuits "overperforming" against suits that they probably shouldn't: logi's with flux grenades & rifles can absolutely wreck a shield oriented suit for example.

Scouts waited a year for 1.8. We absolutely needed to be nerfed afterwards. With all due respect, I'd be thinking about contingencies if I were in your shoes. Just in case :-)

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On the topic of contingencies ... if GalLogi usage were to go up, GalScout usage would follow. The uparmored "Assault Lite" which would follow wouldn't be as potent as in the past, but it could still potentially pose utilization and efficiency problems. In the unlikely event that this happens, I'd recommend we respond immediately by increasing mobility penalties on plates (ferro included) when equipped by Scouts. GalLogi scans are still overpowered, IMO, but they'll help to deter Assault Lite from stacking straight plates on Scouts . If active scanner nerfs are in the cards, it may be a good idea to hold off on them until after dust settles from speed/hp. My two cents. o7

The new slot layout is 5/3/4 (H/L/E), and no longer needs a cpu mod because of the extra CPU with this last update

How much of a difference does the extra precision make?

Meanwhileeeee.... We may get our Logi Vehicles back in the future. :)

We've currently hit the Max RAM for the PS3... We can't have our duct tape Min HAVs until we get more Memory...

Just a general reminder, voting for CPM 2 is open and regardless of who you're voting for I encourage you to vote.

Confirming the accuracy of the quoted information (and thanks Adipem for covering those bases).
nyghthawke Sounds like a support ticket is in your future

Recently I have been using my Scout as a Logi, and it is fun as hell. It has also been pretty successful.
Ferros and a kincat, rep and hives, kalante's, knives, shield rechargers, flux.

I love lolfits, and this is fun.

Have the min proto, have for a while.

as for the others I was thinking about the gal as well, but its bonus's don't speak to me.

I normally do run a scanner, but I am god awful at using them, though I perhaps should try to get better.

Either they wouldn't do anything because shield tanking is wierd, or they'd be horribly unbelievably broken.

Don't get me wrong shield tanking has some serious gamebreaking drawbacks that leave it pretty underpowered IMO... however at the same time when shield tanking IS working it really isn't far off from where it needs to be.

One of my biggest issues is that ferroscale plates exist for armor, because they essentially are shield extenders... but they cost less and have no downsides. The other one is that an armor tank on low hp (~100) can duck into cover, get 200 shields and potentially still fight, but a shield tanker doesn't have nearly the same options - if you lose armor it's gone for a long time.

Hp = Hp
Armor hp = higher health totals, lower costs per point of health than shield, constant 'low' values of uninterruptible repair, the option to fit modules that have no downsides, less slots required for fully functioning tank, better associated utility mods (myo's / damage mods in highs, with the option to fit a lowslot mod because of that lower slot requirement), the ability to have your repair remotely augmented by other players (rep tools / triage hives), significant upfront buffer from shields (aka quick regenerating secondary resource), higher general health totals.

but shield hp = higher cost per point of health, more slots required for a fully functioning tank, potentially higher recovery rate (If you're not plinked at - and no the shield inhibition values do nothing unless whoever is shooting at you is around 150-170m away) and shields are instantly nuked by fluxes, devastating cpu / pg costs, lower total health values, cannot be remotely augmented by other players, armor values not significant and take extreme lengths of time to recover (insignificant, slowly regenerating secondary resource), less good utility mods (and often no ability to fit them because of shields being overcosted).

And then there's the issue of proportional damage, where weapons that are good against shields are also the highest dps weapons in the game... so we get situations like 900-1000 dps weapons against smaller health pools. If there were an anti-armor weapon that was proportionally as powerful in terms of TTK, it would be doing 1600-2000 dps vs armor.


I feel like I'm rambling now, but yeah, a big problem IMO is that these two styles of tanking don't function independently of each other. It feels like armor is the presumed default tanking method (and for a while it was because there was no native armor repair on dropsuits) and shields were something secondary and 'other', designed to be a buffer for armor.

Gentlemen I must respectfully but amendment disagree with you both.

Not sure about the orange sparkle.
Flux nades can indeed go through walls and the roof so they could be the cause of your equipment loss.
That sounds like a solid commando fit.

Armor Hardener active ?

I would love to see a transporter tool in the game that was fair and fit well in the game.

The average "idea person" just needs to understand why certain proposals need to be evaluated more.
Sure, most of the stuff I'm talking about is speculation, and it could be that certain mechanics would work differently in-game than on paper.

But while a shield rep tool would be awesome, there's a lot more to it than just modifying a current repair tool to rep shields instead of armor. My point is simply to make "idea people" aware of the issues so that they can be discussed PROPERLY

You know, instead of everyone supporting an idea just because it sounds like a good idea :P

What about a phase type situation where it is a passive suit module that Joins the mods suit shields with those who have depleted shields and the suits shields level out where the giver loses some shielding so that the long delay time of depleted shields is negated so that the receivers suits quickly replenishes lost shields. It allows for a shield logi to run around the field and boost shields of others while still being able to fire. Thought about this when I heard many Eve pilots complaining about cloakers. It is part of a phase system that would first apply to cloakers but then move to shields so that Ships that had to drop shields to fire could at least fire pure energy weapons to help defend themselves and others better. Just a thought.

Hi Everyone,

I just passed by to say THANK YOU VERY MUCH for the Logi guide. For someone who has a really bad aim, the Logi Code gave me a new purpose after my first month of struggle here in the game. I won't be where I am now and could not have accomplished the things I have done without being a logi . Right now, I am 2 and a half months in game having 11M SP, 100k LP in Amarr, nearing my 200M ISK target, and won the Immortal Guides event last June of having the most contributed WP to the Corp all due to the Militia Medic and Adv Logi suits.

Again, I cannot say THANK YOU enough. If you ever run into me in Pubs or FW, rest assured that I am always behind everyone with a rep tool at hand.

Regards,
Leor

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Would love to hear your thoughts on this:
Active Scans: Beam Scanning vs Snapshot Scanning

the rodens.....

mmmmmm.......

delicious.........

In seriousness it is fun as hell to use, heavys be like oh I can take anything you throw at me, one shot head shot w/ the rodens, and you just laugh.

the rodens.....

mmmmmm.......

delicious.........

In seriousness it is fun as hell to use, heavys be like oh I can take anything you throw at me, one shot head shot w/ the rodens, and you just laugh.

Indeed.

though it still does inane amounts of damage to shields...

So nyght apparently you can't build it... the link in your sig takes me to a page not found. :P

So nyght apparently you can't build it... the link in your sig takes me to a page not found. :P

I have a question...

Why has my K/D skyrocketed by switching to Cal Logi with an Advanced Rail Rifle? I only have it skilled to 4, no proficiency, and no damage mods. I still pop in and out of cover like I used to. I still support the team like I used to. I haven't changed my play style at all. All I changed was the dropsuit (which is skilled to 4), the gun (from MD/CR to RR, also level 4), and the grenade (locus from flux).

Is the Cal Logi that much better suited to a solo player? Or have I just magically been able to hit the broadside of a barn lately?

Logis have no bonuses for any weapons.

Booby, it is entirely possible that the callogi and the RR just simply suit your preferred style of play better, and thus give better results. Now, the rail rifles are actually quite good in various situations, the range advantage at least helps you out a lot if you play to that. And the Cal suits are very well suited for the pop in and out of cover style of play :)
And your KD skyrocketing... Do I remember correctly you used the MD a lot before? If that is the case, you'd have noticed a major increase in kills when switching to any rifle. The MD is a fine support weapon, and if you can stay on high ground, an excellent supression tool, but on the ground, where I'd assume you were based on playing an actual support logi, you're simply not going to be racking up kills the way a rifle user can under most circumstances.

If you look up terraformer, you will find my idea for being able to colonize all of this universe.

I'd like to point out that we Sentinels don't get any sort of damage or function bonus for our Heavy Weapons, unlike Commandos and Assaults, we only a fittings bonus to promote the use of Heavy Weapons over Light Weapons.

EDIT: while I'm here, from a Sentinel, thank you Logis for your support on the battlefield.

Stormraider's has two eq.

Good point on the bonuses.

Also, you're quite welcome (even if I have spent more time in a heavy frame lately than providing proper logi)

What are some good Amarr Logi set ups?

Let me rephrase my question. What are some good PROTO Amarr Logi Setups?

That's not possible, the Amarr logistics only comes with 3 equipment slots across all tiers.

There is the PROTO FIT site that helps you build suits. I have made fittings without being a member to see what I liked.

That would be my guess, the rep tool would meet in the middle between std and adv'd, i'm pumped

The AUR? I mean I'll take it, but that's not what I'm showing up for (or concerned about).
That BPO rep tool though? That I am earning

Yeah, this event awards the poor DUSTlings who get KJ'd (Kill-jacked) all the bloody time. 400 AUR for 50 Assists? That'll be a fun time.

Hmmm? The basic hives yes... And maybe some adv not sure... But some adv and pro you can definitely drop more than one.

And LAVs could be our golf carts

If Logi LAVs don't return, they should at least return the remote rep mod.

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I am guessing a Caldari Helmet.

Project NOVA is a thing, so you may want to check that out, other than that, nothing really....

It's sad, and from what I can tell a lot of people are leaving because of it.

But it was the best decision considering what both the devs and the player-base want.

Just kinda sucks that quite a few friends that I made here will be moving to ps4 and not looking back....