The problem with the scout is not that they can hide from scans permanently.

The problem is that the dampening capabilities of other suits are not good enough to hide from the precision scouts have.

What you propose is that it should be easier to detect scouts to restore balance?

Instead of making everyone light up on everyones radars and the guy with the most HP winning, I propose to make it easier for assaults to hide from scout scans as well. Balance would be restored and the one who actually pays attention to their surroundings - instead of just shooting at red dots as soon as they appear on their radars - wins.

Give assaults a base profile of 44db, so they can actually hide from scouts not fit for EWAR, if they choose to fit dampeners.

Make scout bonuses modifiy the efficiency of EWAR modules. This way scouts would actually have to choose if they want to fit EWAR or tank because they can't have both anymore.

And lastly remove wallhack TacNet chevrons and directional arrows, so even if the scout can see you on the radar they still can't simply outplay you because they don't know which way you are looking anymore.

1) So you are saying go scout or go home.. thanks. I was pretty sure that was your position, it is just good to here you say it.

2) So you are saying for nearly no sacrifice you get to be the undisputed best, with no interplay. Yep, that should definately lead to more interesting gameplay.....

3) Thanks for not answering my question..... with a creodon and 2x dmg mods, it rarely takes two hits to kill non sentinels, and you can fire 2 shots before a sentinel can turn around....

4) Also a non-answer

5) Why would you, you only run scouts.

6) Once again, go scout or go home. Can anyone name for me the suits that are DAMPENING specialized... oh right that would be the caldari/gallente scouts.

7) I appreciate it, you have illuminated your position quite well.

EDIT: Breaking stuff put it better than i did

You two should put your heads together and work on this ...

[SCOUT SUPREMECY.

CCP should put an RNG in so they have something to tweak to make sure scouts aren't undetectable and to insure I don't figure out a way to see you and kill you in a fatsuit 100% of the time.

Your fail rate against Scouts is 100%? Magnus, this man need our help. Have you considered trying to pitch permascan?

You should train reading comprehension 1. It might help your posting.

1/10 for that one. try again and be funny next time.

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Hey maybe we should make it so other suits can still see cloaked scouts if they fit for it and the scout doesn't.

Fun Facts, again:

Logi + 1 Precision Enhancer scans undampened MN/AM Scouts
Logi + 2 Precision Enhancers scans any undampened Scout

Ever argue with those people who as soon as you suggest the tiniest thing they just throw their hands up in the air claiming the sky is falling?

That's shotty right there.

Reasonable person: Hey maybe we should make it so other suits can still see cloaked scouts if they fit for it and the scout doesn't?
Shotty: PERMASCAN!!! PERMASCAN!!! NOOOOO!!!!

Fun lies again (you know, misrepresenting the truth) always neglecting the cloak

Truth:

Logi + 2 complex enhancer for amarr/minmatar with only cloak
Logi + 3 complex enahancer with only cloak for cal/gal
Logi... never for 1 damp 1 cloak on any scout.

yeah that's balance.....

Why don't we look at math for a second here...theres a site called proto fits so that you won't make silly little politically biased and very convenient mistakes like this in the future to help your position.

http://www.protofits.com says

1x ComPrec-32.4 dB prec.
2x ComPrec-26.77 dB prec.

M/A scout-35 dB unskilled dampening, 31.5 dB fully skilled
Full skilled with proto cloak-28.35 (note: this won't fit on any minmitar scout unless serious sacrifices are made)
+1 CompDamp-23.63 requires 3 ComPrec on a Logi, which seems reasonable

If you change it to three, there would be no need to skill into it. You're better off skilling into gallente

In reference too?

Do you mean the amarr precision bonus?

Actually with the adjustments, the amarr precision bonus would be able to scan a cal/gallente scout with two damps and no cloak, or with one damp and 1 cloak. The caldari/gallente scouts would remain hidden with two damps and a cloak.

You should train reading comprehension 1. It might help your posting.

What could an AM Scout scan that a GA Scout couldn't?

* Assuming 2 complex precision enhancers.

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PS: You do realize that simply equipping cloak doesn't apply a dampening bonus, right? Cloak has to be active for the bonus to apply. Basic Cloak offers no bonus. Advanced offers 5% (when active). Proto offers 10% (when active). Just in case you weren't aware.

Simple question, restated:

What specific unit(s) could an AM Scout with 2 cmp precision enhancers scan that a max-skill GA Scout with 2 cmp precision enhancers could not scan?

Caldari/Gallente scouts with 2 dampners and no cloaks

In your mind, do those two lone instances constitute a specialty?

When you and I first met, you were very upset that AM Scout had no meaningful role or specialty.

Lets do the calculations free hand:

35 (base profile) * 0.9 (lvl 5 skill) * 0.75 (complex dampner) * 0.9 (prototype cloak) = 21.265

Not sure what planet 28.35 * 0.75 = 23.63, but not on this one.

Congrats, you just failed at simple, simple math.

Do me a favor, type out all the formulas you use to come to your conclusion in the future. Mine was wrong based not upon my aritmetic, but a variable that CCP deciding truncating is only useful sometimes, something you helped point out and I admitted to. I did not make any simple arithmetic mistakes.

You can see yourself out now.

EDIT: Also I am glad that you at least admit that a logi with 3 complex precision enhancers should be able to scan a scout with just a cloak and one damp on. Hey guess what, you just agreed with one of the results of my OP, thanks man.

How would you get that "reasonable" result?

Scout default profile goes to 40, complex damps go to 20%.

Tell you what, since you think it is "reasonable" for the situation above, why don't we jointly make a new OP that details that, along with scanner changes ? I would be completely willing to work with you on this to have a good counter-view.

Why does EWAR need to be fixed? Its perfectly fine as is

I think it is about the same usefulness as the bonuses are now, and a good reason why cal/gal remain the dominant scouts on the field.

Giving any scout more than 1 EWAR bonus was always a horrible decision, especially considering that there are only 3 EWAR attributes. I stand by it being absolutely the wrong decision, and that won't change.

Unfortunately I have battered wife syndrome, I am so used to amarr stuff just being underwhelming/missing at this point that I'll take what I can get.

In reality, I think, it should go like this:

All scouts should be 40/40 precision/damp

Dampeners/enhancers should be of equal stregnth

Amarr get precision, gallente get dampening, caldari get range, and minmatar get 39/39 precision/damp and hacking (thereby making them solely invisible by default and the definitive stealthy scouts.)

2nd bonus: Amarr get stamina, minmatar knives..... I haven't worked out the other two yet... I realized this proposal was a fools errand.

This proposal would fall on deaf ears as the scout community has a collective aneurysm.

EDIT: hell you could even make all of the secondary bonuses to the main pistol sidearm damage/blast radius... IDK. I think it would be pretty cool though.

EDIT 2: hell even those EWAR bonuses could be module based, and probably should be. The damage/blast radius/ammo/charge up or whatever to racial pistol though... golden.

I got hatemail for driving over a cloak scout.