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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.10.10 03:05:00 -
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Your blatant stupidity and lack of knowledge on how to balance anything as well as your bias towards politically nerfing scouts to even more useless than they were before they got buffed is not only frustrating, but is, quite simply, painful to read.
You are a prime example of why it helps to have some historical or any kind of knowledge whatsoever about this game before you post.
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.10 03:06:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:Or, in the case where my previous post makes little difference you could do this:
Reduce the alpha of shotguns. Do this by:
Reduce damage
Increase range
Increase rate of fire
Increase clip size
Increase reload speed
Bonus effects:
Shotguns viable on assaults
Nova Knives take their rightful place as the sneaky assassin weapon of choice.
Extra note:
Anyone that wants to nerf nova knives can (commence ban evasion) receive a stern telling off and mild humiliation on the internet.
You understand this would be OP AF right..?
The only thing balancing the SG right now is that after the first shot or two it becomes useless
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.10 03:25:00 -
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All scouts are EWAR specialized suits, and thus should be the masters of eWAR in almost every way.
Sentinels are CQC combat specialized suits, and thus should be the masters of CQC combat in almost every way.
Assaults are mid range skirmishing specialized suits, with the versatility to go from mid range to long range to short range at a moments notice, and the excel at this in almost every way.
Logis are support specialized suits and thus should be the masters of support in almost every way.
Commandos are suppression specialists and thus should be the masters of suppression in almost every way
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.10 03:28:00 -
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Dampening is a scout thing. You obviously haven't been around very long, but the old bonus used to be 5% dampening as the ROLE bonus.
Scouts should not have to sacrifice much at a maximum level to dodge scans. Thats something that assaults and heavies should have to do because they have more HP and more offensive oriented bonuses.
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.11 18:44:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Jebus McKing wrote:I will not support anything that makes scanning easier or increase the number of of red dots on your radar.
Scanning is a mechanic only made for those too lazy to check their corners and flanks with their eyes and ears.
I will support anything that makes avoiding to be scanned easier though. Scout player detected. I will not support anything related to making anyone immune to being detected. You've got fully 4x our base HP, before you plate up. Your HMG can kill three EWAR Scouts per second. And you want 300HP EWAR Scouts (who've committed their fit to beating scans) painted on your radar? A thin-ass chance that they might be seen for one second as a blip isn't unreasonable, nor is it insurmountable. Do I want them PAINTED? No, that's about the stupidest idea ever. it would guarantee annihilation. there needs to be a chance of failure. But the "Always wins/always fails" binary equation is crap, cannot be balanced and has to have been the laziest game design i have ever seen. Cloaks don't bother me. Utter immunity to being detected on scans doesn't bother me. Combining the two bothers me.
IF cloaks made you invisible and you could fire from them, this would be a reasonable concern.
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.11 18:46:00 -
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Magnus Amadeuss wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote: More misleading information I forgot to mention gal scout goes to 1% scan precision, my bad, that is on me. Am/Mimatar profile WITH PROTO CLOAK (seriously, stop ignoring this, it just makes you look like you are hiding something) Damps Profile ----0--------33---- ----1--------26---- ----2--------21---- ----3--------19---- ----4--------18---- All passive scan avoidable Only scannable by the gall-logi with a 5 million SP investment, for 5/40 seconds, within a tiny sliver of the battlefield that the logi must be pointed at, that requires ACTIVE USE OF. Cal/Gall profile WITH PROTO CLOAK (seriously, stop ignoring this, it just makes you look like you are hiding something) Damps Profile ----0--------28---- ----1--------22---- ----2--------18---- ----3--------16---- ----4--------15---- All passive scans avoidable Only the caldari is scannable by the gall-logi with a 5 million SP investment, for 5/40 seconds, within a tiny sliver of the battlefield that the logi must be pointed at, that requires ACTIVE USE OF. Logi scan precision Mods Precision ----0--------41---- ----1--------33---- ----2--------27---- ----3--------24---- ----4--------22---- Looks to me like the logi can't pick up an all undampened scout with 1 precision mod. Adipem lying again.... Looks like 2 are actually required Assault scan precision Mods Precision ----0--------45---- ----1--------36---- ----2--------30---- ----3--------26---- ----4--------25---- Looks like an assault is just SOL. Too bad too, since the scout has a few OHK weapons that can easily kill an assault without him ever having a chance. This isn't balanced here, pretty easy to see Can you please quit lying now Adipem? I am getting really tired of you being deceitful. EDIT: adding gal/am scout precisions AM scout scan precision Mods Precision ----0--------31---- ----1--------24---- ----2--------20---- Cannot pick up all scouts... GAL scout scan precision Mods Precision ----0--------34---- ----1--------27---- ----2--------23---- Cannot pick up all scouts....
Yeah I love my minmitar scouts 4th low slot!
Also, **** scouts being able to dodge scans!
They should be perma scanned all the time by suits with 5x their HP and twice their damage output!
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
2514
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Posted - 2014.10.11 18:48:00 -
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In other news, thread is a 10/10 troll.
6 pages of actual responses, as well as dragging in Shotty to actually argue with you on a mathematical level, and baiting a large amount of the community.
If Rattati had responded, Id nominate it as "Troll of the Year"
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
2532
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Posted - 2014.10.12 00:57:00 -
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Magnus Amadeuss wrote:
Ever argue with those people who as soon as you suggest the tiniest thing they just throw their hands up in the air claiming the sky is falling?
That's shotty right there.
Reasonable person: Hey maybe we should make it so other suits can still see cloaked scouts if they fit for it and the scout doesn't?
Shotty: PERMASCAN!!! PERMASCAN!!! NOOOOO!!!!
Oh, the irony.
*Chokes while laughing and dies*
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
2532
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Posted - 2014.10.12 01:05:00 -
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Magnus Amadeuss wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Magnus Amadeuss wrote:Hey maybe we should make it so other suits can still see cloaked scouts if they fit for it and the scout doesn't. Fun Facts, again: Logi + 1 Precision Enhancer scans undampened MN/AM Scouts Logi + 2 Precision Enhancers scans any undampened Scout Fun lies again (you know, misrepresenting the truth) always neglecting the cloak Truth: Logi + 2 complex enhancer for amarr/minmatar with only cloak Logi + 3 complex enahancer with only cloak for cal/gal Logi... never for 1 damp 1 cloak on any scout. yeah that's balance.....
Why don't we look at math for a second here...theres a site called proto fits so that you won't make silly little politically biased and very convenient mistakes like this in the future to help your position.
http://www.protofits.com says
1x ComPrec-32.4 dB prec.
2x ComPrec-26.77 dB prec.
M/A scout-35 dB unskilled dampening, 31.5 dB fully skilled
Full skilled with proto cloak-28.35 (note: this won't fit on any minmitar scout unless serious sacrifices are made)
+1 CompDamp-23.63 requires 3 ComPrec on a Logi, which seems reasonable
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
2538
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Posted - 2014.10.12 05:16:00 -
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Magnus Amadeuss wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Magnus Amadeuss wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Magnus Amadeuss wrote:Hey maybe we should make it so other suits can still see cloaked scouts if they fit for it and the scout doesn't. Fun Facts, again: Logi + 1 Precision Enhancer scans undampened MN/AM Scouts Logi + 2 Precision Enhancers scans any undampened Scout Fun lies again (you know, misrepresenting the truth) always neglecting the cloak Truth: Logi + 2 complex enhancer for amarr/minmatar with only cloak Logi + 3 complex enahancer with only cloak for cal/gal Logi... never for 1 damp 1 cloak on any scout. yeah that's balance..... Why don't we look at math for a second here...theres a site called proto fits so that you won't make silly little politically biased and very convenient mistakes like this in the future to help your position. http://www.protofits.com says 1x ComPrec-32.4 dB prec. 2x ComPrec-26.77 dB prec. M/A scout-35 dB unskilled dampening, 31.5 dB fully skilled Full skilled with proto cloak-28.35 (note: this won't fit on any minmitar scout unless serious sacrifices are made) +1 CompDamp-23.63 requires 3 ComPrec on a Logi, which seems reasonable Lets do the calculations free hand: 35 (base profile) * 0.9 (lvl 5 skill) * 0.75 (complex dampner) * 0.9 (prototype cloak) = 21.265 Not sure what planet 28.35 * 0.75 = 23.63, but not on this one. Congrats, you just failed at simple, simple math. Do me a favor, type out all the formulas you use to come to your conclusion in the future. Mine was wrong based not upon my aritmetic, but a variable that CCP deciding truncating is only useful sometimes, something you helped point out and I admitted to. I did not make any simple arithmetic mistakes. You can see yourself out now. EDIT: Also I am glad that you at least admit that a logi with 3 complex precision enhancers should be able to scan a scout with just a cloak and one damp on. Hey guess what, you just agreed with one of the results of my OP, thanks man. How would you get that "reasonable" result? Scout default profile goes to 40, complex damps go to 20%. Tell you what, since you think it is "reasonable" for the situation above, why don't we jointly make a new OP that details that, along with scanner changes ? I would be completely willing to work with you on this to have a good counter-view.
The game does math weird. Protofits is hooked up to the SDE so it gives you the correct numbers.
You are wrong.
Also, the 23.63 is without a cloak. +Cloak should put scout under 3x precision
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
2538
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Posted - 2014.10.12 05:18:00 -
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Zindorak wrote:Why does EWAR need to be fixed? Its perfectly fine as is
Because scouts are still almost as viable to run as medium or heavy frames.
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
2546
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Posted - 2014.10.12 17:07:00 -
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Magnus Amadeuss wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:
The game does math weird. Protofits is hooked up to the SDE so it gives you the correct numbers.
You are wrong.
Also, the 23.63 is without a cloak. +Cloak should put scout under 3x precision
Holy cow, do you even know how to read? Seriously.... He claimed scouts had a 23.85 profile WITH cloak and 1 damp, the he claimed that a logistics suit with 3 x complex precision enhancers could scan it, then he said it was "reasonable." I then showed him how he was wrong and the actual profile was 21.** (I forget), but that what he thought was "reasonable" was what my OP would accomplish... he then changed the subject. Try to keep up. Adipem Nothi wrote:
Fun Facts, again:
Logi + 1 Precision Enhancer scans undampened MN/AM Scouts
Logi + 2 Precision Enhancers scans any undampened Scout
I think that this is enough to prove that if there should be anyone who has a right to revert to ad homonyms, it's myself. The underlined statement is so incredible mouthbreathing dumb I don't even know how to approach it.... care to expand on that or are you actually proud of that mindnumbing statement? I mean, there are like a few thousands of ways to fit each suit, and each suit has different bonuses, and there are variation of each module, and you somehow pull out this nugget of idiocy? Are you retarded? Serious question because Im beginning to think that this isn't a troll. If you have ever played this game, you should understand that it is based entirely off of min/maxing. Meaning, in a competitive environment, if there is a way for a scout to be scanned, that scout will be scanned, and will remain scanned all the time.As Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p highlighted, you thought that 3 complex precision enhancers picking up a scout with 1 cloak and 1 damp was "reasonable" when you were under the delusion of that being possible right now. When I pointed out your failure of simple arithmetic and how your fudged "reasonable" numbers you changed the subject. Putting words into my mouth. Max skills-3 Precision should detect one damp, but not 1 damp+ any cloak. That is very fair, considering shared passives.
My responses are underlined.
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.12 17:10:00 -
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Overall, this thread needs to die.
I think that by reading it, I lost 15% of my total IQ.
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.13 00:10:00 -
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Magnus come on man...I don't think Rattati is gonna respond to this one, but Ill still give you Gav's Troll of the Year seal, but you're starting to make me think that this isn't a troll anymore and that you're actually serious 
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.13 17:08:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Magnus Amadeuss wrote:
You refuse to directly answer questions, you refuse to expand on ideas, you refuse to clarify reasoning. You are not here for discussion, and because of that you need to leave.
Whether or not I leave, your House of Cards will fail because its foundation is flawed. I'm not going help you expand upon an unsound idea or waste time answering your cherry-picked questions. I've been very clear as to my reasoning: Shifting profile/precision interplay to address concerns at the high end of the dB spectrum will create significant issues at the low end of the dB spectrum.This isn't my opinion. This is simple math. We witnessed the effects very recently with pre-Charlie CA Scout v MN Scout interplay. this would be because in it's current incarnation EWAR is impossible to balance. It has to be rebuilt to be fixed
Agreed.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=175921
Pretty much balances it, or at least takes a good step in the right direction
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.15 00:40:00 -
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el OPERATOR wrote:Nerf scouts. All stats. All levels.
*Reads post*
*Reads Sig*
*Chokes and dies laughing*
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.10.15 00:49:00 -
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Magnus Amadeuss wrote:In this thread, scouts complain about permascan while they permascan.
Maybe another poster in this thread had the right answer:
Scouts should get the best profiles
Mediums get should get the best precision
Heavies should get the best range
IDK, something needs to happen. Having spin-scanners was broken, everyone admits that. Scouts are spin-scanners on steroids.
And your proposal turns every single med frame in the game into spin scanners, with the only suits able to participate in eWAR while remaining competitive are mediums.
2 less slots and 1/3 the HP on a scout suit as well as no offensive bonuses...
If this was put into play, there'd be literally no reason to run any scout of any kind whatsoever, in any situation at all.
But, thats what I assume you're going for, so if I were in the butthurt "scounts izzz oPEEEEEEE dooooeeeee" group, Id give you a +1.
However, my IQ is above 70, and Iv actually played every role in the game, (albeit not on this char), therefore, I understand that scouts are not overpowered in the least.
Eyes are overpowered. Id recommend using them. Your brain is also, while it may not appear so, very powerful if you use it.
So use it now and think.
And when you're done thinking and realize the absolutely moronic implications of your thread (which would, by the way, lead to an even larger scout buff than 1.8, simply because we would be worse than any suit in the history of the game), delete it, and hope that Rattati will be kind enough to remove it from these forums forever.
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.15 00:53:00 -
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el OPERATOR wrote:I tried fair and moderate but received and observed nothing but bs for the effort so, f it.
Nerf scouts. All stats. At all levels.
What a well constructed and thought out argument!
Your use of facts and statistics as well as all that great evidence really drives your point home!
This structurally sound and strong argument is certain to get people to argue on a more intellectual level about this amazing and complex idea that you have brought forth!
Yet, it seems to miss something.
Something like....like...oh I know. Everything that I just mentioned.
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.15 00:59:00 -
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Magnus Amadeuss wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Magnus Amadeuss wrote:In this thread, scouts complain about permascan while they permascan.
Maybe another poster in this thread had the right answer:
Scouts should get the best profiles
Mediums get should get the best precision
Heavies should get the best range
IDK, something needs to happen. Having spin-scanners was broken, everyone admits that. Scouts are spin-scanners on steroids. And your proposal turns every single med frame in the game into spin scanners, with the only suits able to participate in eWAR while remaining competitive are mediums. 2 less slots and 1/3 the HP on a scout suit as well as no offensive bonuses... If this was put into play, there'd be literally no reason to run any scout of any kind whatsoever, in any situation at all. But, thats what I assume you're going for, so if I were in the butthurt "scounts izzz oPEEEEEEE dooooeeeee" group, Id give you a +1. However, my IQ is above 70, and Iv actually played every role in the game, (albeit not on this char), therefore, I understand that scouts are not overpowered in the least. Eyes are overpowered. Id recommend using them. Your brain is also, while it may not appear so, very powerful if you use it. So use it now and think. And when you're done thinking and realize the absolutely moronic implications of your thread (which would, by the way, lead to an even larger scout buff than 1.8, simply because we would be worse than any suit in the history of the game), delete it, and hope that Rattati will be kind enough to remove it from these forums forever. Also thanks for not addressing that scouts a 10 times worse than perma-active scanners ever were. Lol, says the guy who thought the original amarr scout was "just fine" and that the other scouts were "also fine." You can see yourself to the door, but thanks for stopping by. Or do you want to continue and I can start linking older posts of yours?
I dont understand how 30 meter radius of scans catching undampened suits requiring the use of module slots as well as the weakest (HP wise) suit in the game, versus 200 meters of catching everyone except scouts with 2 complex dampeners (back before we actually had slots) and lighting them all up for your entire team simply by using one equipment slot is even a supportable argument for the latter. But its ok.
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.15 03:31:00 -
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Magnus Amadeuss wrote:
Also thanks for not addressing that scouts a 10 times worse than perma-active scanners ever were.
Magnus Amadeuss wrote:
Would you Like some math to go with that? Because it is there... Here lets run it down so your "above 70 IQ" can get it.
Proto Flux active scanner
21-28 db scan stregnth ( 1 damp on a cal/gallente assault easily dodges this, two for min/amarr)
ON for 26.6% of the time
Player is defenseless while scanning
200m x 90 degree CONE (~99,000 cubic meters)
Provides counter intel (the scanned/notscanned messeges)
shared with squad
vs.
Scout passive scan
18-36 db (requires 2 damps for gallente/caldari, 3 damps for amarr/minmatar)
On 100% of the time
Player can fire/cloak/heal/revive/run and scan at the same tiem
30-90 meter sphere (up to 381,000 cubic meters)
Provides no counter intel
shared with squad
So which one is more powerful again?
NOTE* I have all amarrian suits fully maxed out, with fully maxxed dropsuit upgrades (aside from shields) and ALMOST every non-side-arm weapon to proficiency lvl 3. I play all roles as well...often changing up the roles based upon the battle.
Im not talking about the currently underpowered iteration of active scanners. Im talking about the ones we were referring to when you said perma scan.
When you could run two focused active scanners on your slayer logi of choice, you got perma scan of everything, all the time.
Your argument boils down to this--
You-X is greater than Y, and its unfair! I have anecdotal evidence completely based on my personal bias to back this up!
Me-No Magnus. Y is greater than X. Here are some facts.
You-No, thats not true. Z is greater than X because of these facts (insert rather rational deductions and/or facts here)
Me-We weren't arguing about Z, Magnus.
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.10.15 22:59:00 -
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I think you just broke the forums by calling me and Adipem the same person...
We disagree on so much its hilarious.
In fact, we had each other blocked and refused to communicate for an entire month, iirc.
I think hell find it absolutely hilarious, if he reads this.
However, he, unlike you, has an ounce of common sense, and therefore, in this situation, (as well as a few others), I can very easily agree with him, as all he tries to do is balance the game.
Trust me, Ive known him for a very long time.
He is one of the least self-serving people you could find on here, and his unbiased feedback is literally the opposite of you ultra-self serving, IQ lowering, rants.
Therefore, Iv decided to side with him in this issue.
Scanning should never be nearly as powerful of a force as dampening.
Thats what you have eyeballs for. You know, for seeing the red dot above someones head when you aim at them or the fact that they exist at all without a blue chevron over their head, or the brilliant and lol- worthy blue-purple shimmer that signifies a cloaked unit.
I dont understand how many more crutches heavies need...
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
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