This is why they should be side arm only their ewar alone makes them viable. I have not tried it but I would bet it wouldn't even be that hard to pull off a melee scout despite low starting melee dmg.

Refusing to address these facts will result in your agreement with every single one of them.

I refuse to respond

that it'll eventually make you flame.

For EWAR to work, all scouts need to be able to beat all scans.*

For EWAR to work for one class, in favor of one class and to perpetuate gross overall game imbalance all scouts need to be able to beat all scans as well as retain all the other advantages of the class.

FTFY.

FTFY.

why even have the gallogi then?

This still gives scout a complete monopoly on EWAR. I would, pwrsonally, much rather ewar be split three fold between each suit tier. Medium gets best scans, scout best dampening, and heavy best scan radii.

Because scouts are running rampant, wholly unchecked, and pushing KDRs substantially higher than every other class. It is a proven fact that all slayers now run scout suits all the time. If performance stats suggest otherwise, it's because performance stats are lies.

Smartest thing said all day. Assaults are now viable game is almost balanced.

Again with the distraction kd leaderboard garbage?
Feel free to post ANY actual performance statistics you're privy to.
I didn't think that I would have to actually explain why the kdr leaderboards aren't relevent since anyone with even a basic actual understanding of statistical analysis would see that

1. The KDR leaderboard only goes for a couple thousand positions ( for a game with, by most estimates a population of roughly 12 thousand at any given point) which automatically excludes record of thousands of players. disclaimer: 12k is, yes, an estimate, based from threads on the topic and personal observation of the Tranquility player counter which, I know, is mostly EVE players.

2. In a game, such as Call of Duty or maybe HALO, where the overwhelming objective is killing the opponent solely using a kdr datapool could give a reasonable assessment of player activity. In a game like DUST514 however, since the perogative is not exclusively the killing of the opponent but rather the winning of the game by any of a number of means (elimination of clones being just one) focusing on kdrs solely ignores the other methods and the means of achieving them.

3. Your continuous insistence of focus on not just the kdr leaderboard but the top of it limits not just the scope of a sad datapool but also its breadth . You are pointing at statistical OUTLIERS and claiming that an average of them is an average of the entire group. Statistical outliers and any anomoly among them is proof of little nothing in general for the actual average and proof of ABSOLUTLEY NOTHING here.


A couple of times you have claimed or insinuated some knowledge or possession of "performance statistics". If you actually have either I invite, encourage and at this point demand you provide them here or in the words of Magnus^, " STFU and GTFO". So tired of theorycraft idiots trying to pony stupidity around as evidence. You affirm with every. Single. Self-interested Post. Exactly why crowdsourcing game improvement ideas from the playerbase can be such a **** idea.

A scanned scout is a dead scout.

Why do you think Amarr and Minmatar were completely irrelevant between Alpha and Charlie?

Because Cal scouts could scan and broadcast their locations to every heavy in their squad.

If scouts were the most broken OP suit in the game, they would be a majority of fielded mercs in PC, but they are not.

When you come back with some real data to support your claim, let us know.

Thank you for that digest.

In reality, if scout suits were super duper OP, we'd see nothing on the field but scout suits. That's not the case, but believe whatever you want broseph. Not my job to teach you to think straight.

You like that? Good. Digest that ****, yeah, brohamb. Digest it down reeeal good since the same way it's not your job to teach me how to think it's not mine to teach you either and my having to of had to still pisses me off.

BTW, this isn't and wasn't the/a "F ScoutsOPqqthread" from what I read of the OP, it was a "This could be equalized better like this..." proposal thread and you decided to turn it into a QQScoutNurf! horrorthread.

Your silence, as Magnus has pointed out repeatedly, is deafening regarding questions of anything that isn't your agreed perspective. Good thing you have reputation, eh? 'Cause you sure as hell don't seem to have **** else.

Okay, here's the thing.

Precision scans for a squad, and dampening is only for the suit fitting it. Therefore, dampening should win the race between precision/profile.

But they should be neck and neck the entire way.

The best passive scans should only be beat by the best dampened scout. If the scanner is sacrificing to pick you up, you should sacrifice in order to avoid detection.

I would have Caldari scout receive the precision bonus and Amarr the range bonus. I would have scout precision match its current profile. I would then run metrics and see if this needs more tweaking.

Idea!

Believe it or not, I very much agree with the notion that more mercs should be able to scan undampened Scouts.

The problem is, we can't make it easier to scan undampened scouts at the high-end of the dB spectrum without also mucking up interplay at the low-end of the dB spectrum.

So how can we address the high-end of the spectrum (where "assault lite" lives) without kicking properly dampened Scouts in the pants?

I'm wondering how a buff to the 28 dB scanners might play out. The Focused Active Scanner is expensive and terrible, which is why it rarely used. The 28 dB scanners on the other hand are pretty dang sweet (especially the 200 meter / 90 degree one). If those could scan undampened Scouts, do you guys think people would use them?

Ok, so if you want to actually work with me, I would be more than willing to discuss scanners as I already admitted those stats are rough.

[snip] Active Scanner Improvements [/snip]

Before continue the argument I will like to suggest for a CPM or DEV response, so you will know this matter will be inconsideration for the next hotfix if not people are just wasting keyboard/touch lifetime.