I really hope CCP is smarter than the OP because if scouts are rendered useless again, the vast majority of players will go hmg heavy.

If you recall long ago during the dark days of logi slayers they made up a majority of the battlefield because they were the best killers. If scouts get kicked in the nuts hmg heavies will be everywhere because they are the best killers. And with scouts roles reduced the only heavy spam counter will be more heavy spam.

I'm not saying it's perfect now but at last there is variety. Two teams of mostly HMGs and a few logis would get boring very quickly.

No.

I will not support anything that makes scanning easier or increase the number of of red dots on your radar.

Scanning is a mechanic only made for those too lazy to check their corners and flanks with their eyes and ears.

I will support anything that makes avoiding to be scanned easier though.

You've got fully 4x our base HP, before you plate up. Your HMG can kill three EWAR Scouts per second.

And you want 300HP EWAR Scouts (who've committed their fit to beating scans) painted on your radar?

Those are some fantastic opinions you have there.
But because Magnus says so is not a legitimate basis for change.

I suggest we improve MedFrame and Commando base capacity for EWAR, but in doing so, we must avoid potential role overlap with the EWAR Scout. We all agreed that HP-tanked Scouts out-assaulting Assaults was bad. Same logic holds for EWAR Scouts and EWAR.

Suggestion:
* Scan Range: +3m Logi, +5m Assault, +5m Commando
* Scan Profile: -5 dB Assault
* Scan Precision: -5 dB Commando (equal to Assault)

I didn't put things where they are. Rattati did.

Absolutely correct. Status quo holds that competitive EWAR is the realm of the Scout and the GA Logi. Other roles can benefit from EWAR -- moreso if buffed -- but they can't expect to compete in those capacities with EWAR specialists.

Just like Assaults can't expect to wield HMGs.
Just like Scouts can't expect to wield 2000HP.
Just like Heavies can't expect to carry 4 EQ.

We all have our specialties. If "assault lite" is any indication, things get ugly when the lines get blurred.

1. Absolutely. Counter recon is a specialty and squad sight is shared. If everyone were great at counter recon, we'd detract from the benefit of having an EWAR-fitted Scout or GA Logi in squad.

2. Yes.

3. Knives don't mix with plates, and Shotguns don't OHK much outside of other Scouts. No Scout has been good at all things at once since the pre-Alpha GalScout.

4. MedFrames engage in meaningful EWAR against other MedFrames, though this is an area we can improve upon to encourage EWAR module usage and build diversity.

5. Can't comment. I don't know that this is true.

6. I see little problem. If a merc wants to compete in EWAR games, he'd do well to use an EWAR suit.

You two should put your heads together and work on this ...

Your fail rate against Scouts is 100%? Magnus, this man need our help. Have you considered trying to pitch permascan?

"to see you and kill you in a fatsuit 100% of the time."

^ Your exact words, sport. What else could this possibly mean?

Scout sees and kills fatsuit 100% of the time?
Fatsuit sees and kills Scout 100% of the time?

That 100% of the time part sure is exciting.
But what exactly do you mean by 100% of the time?

I will say again. The counter to scouts is not scanning. You are looking at this from the wrong angle. Scanning is one counter, but it is not the primary method that people should use to beat scouts.

Beating scouts is about awareness, reactions and team play (this most of all). This is fundamental to the whole mechanics of having a stealth class in the game. Remove this and you destroy the whole idea of scouts.

I admit that I don't want an assault with 3x enhancers to be able to scan a scout with 1x damp + cloak.

I admit that I don't want a CAL/MN scout with 2x enhancers to be able to scan an assault with 2x damps.

The solution is not buffing precision, it is buffing damps.

Which suit? The GalLogi?

Use a focused scanner and there you have your RNG fail rate.

AM/MN scouts need 3x damps + active cloak to avoid that.

CAL/GAL scouts need 2x damps + active cloak to avoid that.

Catch them while not cloaked and you know from where they are coming from and you can prepare by keeping your eyes and ears open.

Same goes for the AM scout with 2x enhancers.

All scouts have to use 2x damps + active cloak to avoid an AM scout fit for scout hunting.

Not really, you aren't supposed to scan scouts. That is what I am trying to say. Not profile dampened scouts anyway. What is the point of a stealth class if you can scan them?

In fact, when we're done crunching numbers, you can put your name on this solution and call it your own. After all, the solution originated in your thread.

No, you are here to say you are right and everyone else is wrong, plug your ears, and have no discussion at all. You do not get to solely declare an idea good or bad definitively. I am not sure why you have this delusion of grandeur.

Medium suits being able to passively scan a tanked scout with a token damp is a HUGE issue.

No, I do not want you involved because you cannot see that one simple thing. You have no concept of balance. Just the mere idea that you think that it is currently balanced is a HUGE problem, and you should really GTFO.

You refuse to directly answer questions, you refuse to expand on ideas, you refuse to clarify reasoning. You are not here for discussion, and because of that you need to leave.

Boosting scanners was never your idea, you are just here to make sure that scouts can fit 2 damps and never worry about EWAR, you just want to maintain the status quo. To think I would even want you involved at this point, after you have dodged every question, sidestepped every piece of evidence, and refuse to think that there might even be a problem, is laughable.

Whether or not I leave, your House of Cards will fail because its foundation is flawed. I'm not going help you expand upon an unsound idea or waste time answering your cherry-picked questions. I've been very clear as to my reasoning:

Shifting profile/precision interplay to address concerns at the high end of the dB spectrum will create significant issues at the low end of the dB spectrum.

This isn't my opinion. This is simple math. We witnessed the effects very recently with pre-Charlie CA Scout v MN Scout interplay.