Nerf scouts. All stats. All levels.

Your sig is so ironic.

You like that? Words to live by. The strugiggle is real.

It's just that it comes off as hypocritical. Your sig says one thing, yet you act in contrary fashion to it.

Maybe you should change your sig so it is more honest.

Nerf scouts. All stats. All levels.

In this thread, scouts complain about permascan while they permascan.

Maybe another poster in this thread had the right answer:

Scouts should get the best profiles

Mediums get should get the best precision

Heavies should get the best range

IDK, something needs to happen. Having spin-scanners was broken, everyone admits that. Scouts are spin-scanners on steroids.

I tried fair and moderate but received and observed nothing but bs for the effort so, f it.


Nerf scouts. All stats. At all levels.

And your proposal turns every single med frame in the game into spin scanners, with the only suits able to participate in eWAR while remaining competitive are mediums.

2 less slots and 1/3 the HP on a scout suit as well as no offensive bonuses...

If this was put into play, there'd be literally no reason to run any scout of any kind whatsoever, in any situation at all.

But, thats what I assume you're going for, so if I were in the butthurt "scounts izzz oPEEEEEEE dooooeeeee" group, Id give you a +1.

However, my IQ is above 70, and Iv actually played every role in the game, (albeit not on this char), therefore, I understand that scouts are not overpowered in the least.

Eyes are overpowered. Id recommend using them. Your brain is also, while it may not appear so, very powerful if you use it.

So use it now and think.

And when you're done thinking and realize the absolutely moronic implications of your thread (which would, by the way, lead to an even larger scout buff than 1.8, simply because we would be worse than any suit in the history of the game), delete it, and hope that Rattati will be kind enough to remove it from these forums forever.

Also thanks for not addressing that scouts a 10 times worse than perma-active scanners ever were.

Lol, says the guy who thought the original amarr scout was "just fine" and that the other scouts were "also fine."

You can see yourself to the door, but thanks for stopping by. Or do you want to continue and I can start linking older posts of yours?

I dont understand how 30 meter radius of scans catching undampened suits requiring the use of module slots as well as the weakest (HP wise) suit in the game, versus 200 meters of catching everyone except scouts with 2 complex dampeners (back before we actually had slots) and lighting them all up for your entire team simply by using one equipment slot is even a supportable argument for the latter. But its ok.

Also thanks for not addressing that scouts a 10 times worse than perma-active scanners ever were.

Would you Like some math to go with that? Because it is there... Here lets run it down so your "above 70 IQ" can get it.

Proto Flux active scanner
21-28 db scan stregnth ( 1 damp on a cal/gallente assault easily dodges this, two for min/amarr)
ON for 26.6% of the time
Player is defenseless while scanning
200m x 90 degree CONE (~99,000 cubic meters)
Provides counter intel (the scanned/notscanned messeges)
shared with squad

vs.

Scout passive scan
18-36 db (requires 2 damps for gallente/caldari, 3 damps for amarr/minmatar)
On 100% of the time
Player can fire/cloak/heal/revive/run and scan at the same tiem
30-90 meter sphere (up to 381,000 cubic meters)
Provides no counter intel
shared with squad

So which one is more powerful again?

NOTE* I have all amarrian suits fully maxed out, with fully maxxed dropsuit upgrades (aside from shields) and ALMOST every non-side-arm weapon to proficiency lvl 3. I play all roles as well...often changing up the roles based upon the battle.

Im not talking about the currently underpowered iteration of active scanners. Im talking about the ones we were referring to when you said perma scan.

When you could run two focused active scanners on your slayer logi of choice, you got perma scan of everything, all the time.

Your argument boils down to this--

You-X is greater than Y, and its unfair! I have anecdotal evidence completely based on my personal bias to back this up!
Me-No Magnus. Y is greater than X. Here are some facts.
You-No, thats not true. Z is greater than X because of these facts (insert rather rational deductions and/or facts here)
Me-We weren't arguing about Z, Magnus.

Dear Magnus,

Nobody is denying that EWAR needs some changes.

But your proposal won't help anyone, because with your system even more suits would have to live with the terror of permascan.

With your system avoiding scans would become so hard that people would probably switch to plates instead and damps as a whole would be as useless to everyone as they are for mediums right now.

Contrary to your belief, not everyone who criticises your proposal just wants scout superiority.

The criticism is valid. Accept it. Rework your system.

If you don't like permascan then why do you want to expand it to even more suits?

If you cannot rely on 2x damps to make you avoid the disadvantage of being scanned, why would you use them instead of 2x plates that give you the advantage of 200+ HP no matter the circumstances?

Scans in general are a crutch for those too lazy to pay attention to their surroundings. Avoiding them has to become easier, for everyone.

Anyone who says "use your eyes" is being ignorant at best and dishonest at worst.

Scans are no more of a crutch than cloaks are.

In this thread, scouts complain about permascan while they permascan.

Maybe another poster in this thread had the right answer:

Scouts should get the best profiles

Mediums get should get the best precision

Heavies should get the best range

IDK, something needs to happen. Having spin-scanners was broken, everyone admits that. Scouts are spin-scanners on steroids.

*Reads post*
*Reads Sig*
*Chokes and dies laughing*

*Chokes on own bs and dies laughing in a fire*

And when the viewable area of the game is 360-¦ the "Just use your eyes" arguement for vision being a cloak-counter will be valid.



Nerf scouts. All slots. At all levels.

I strongly disagree with this. I actually think that the way cloaks work is very clever (except for the EWAR part). They help scouts to cross open terrain where else they would be instantly killed by anyone while at the same time not making them completely invisible. You don't need any skills or modules to counter cloaks. The only thing you have to do is paying attention to your surroundings and cloaks will become way less effective.


Now here comes the interesting part.

I absolutely agree with you on that one. Cloaked scouts that still have the best scans are just too good.

But we have to find a way to make both less effective without buffing the other or completely destroying EWAR.

Adi's proposal from a few pages earlier was actually quite clever in this regard. (Based on an idea by Haerr) he proposed to take away the cloaks dampening bonus and instead giving it a NEGATIVE effect on scan precision. The result would be that cloaks would effectively be turning off the scouts scans while cloaked.

Together with the proposal to buff the profile of Assaults so that they can hide from non-precision specialized scouts more easily, I think this would create a nice interplay where overall we'd have less permascan. Permascan wouldn't be completely gone, and I am afraid we can't get rid of it without a complete EWAR rework, which is unfortunately out of the question at the moment.

Hiding from scans would be easier for everyone.

Cloaked scouts would have to use their eyes to find you, just as you'd still have to use yours to find them.

I have an idea! Let;s all go our seperate ways and play better games, shall we?

I mean, if we are going to lobby for the game to be easier for certain players, let's just make it T for teen, give heavies everything they want so they can all go fight other heavies with the 25 other heavies that still log in. w00t!

See ya guys in other better games for sure after that!

We already have that in this game, it is called the scout class.

That is false. I mean, maybe you get killed by scouts a lot, and usually in times like those, it's time to self reflect and admit your strategies are not working. It's tough to take personal responsibility for losing/failing/etc. I think it would benefit your character to take the harder and higher road of personal resolve to change yourself, versus ruining a game that finally achieved a modicum of balance.

If a scout catches you form behind he doesn't even need a cloak.

LOL, yeah right. I use scouts dummy, I have everything to do with a scout at proto. It is easy mode.

I actually enjoy using all of the suits, I like the different strategies between suit classes, scouts kinda crap all over that.

Then cloaks aren't neccessary for scouts to do their job? Well, not what I was going for but I'm sure the throngs of "RemoveCloaks" opinionated players are happy to hear that from you. LOL brainscrub.


EDIT: Dang it, almost forgot-

Nerf scouts. All stats. At all levels.

Reported for ad hominem.

Also, I've run Minja scouts since day one.. with knives. Was a scout in closed beta- you know, when scouts were actually OP. But I've run a scout with the hardest weapon since it came out- so I've played with the real hard mode. Scouts are not easy mode like you think. You get wrecked by scouts because.. well, it's probably your tacts, bad squadmates, or too much dependancy on the tacnet.

Eyeballs are OP.