--- snip dust is not EVE QQ ---
I mean HOW are we to know if the logi suits are getting a hack bonus, or if that was already innate.Ugh
--- snip other stuff ---

You're repeating history CCP, if this update fails like 1.7, then you're not living up to the expectations & promises of the Community.

I love this game, it's unique & has potential as an FPS, but to me it feels like you don't give a dame, you should take your time with these updates, don't rush them, because the results would be terrible.

1.7 is an example with the Tanks...

No logi suits get a hack bonus. The only one that had it previously was Minmatar.

Why would you even think there was a possibility is confusing. We have known for well over a month that the Minmatar hack feature was getting Nerf Hammered in 1.8 and the data clearly shows that is has none. That bonus has moved to the Minmatar scout suit. The Minmatar Logi gets repair range and rate bonuses.

@ CCP Frame

Is the damage inflicted by a flux nade considered splash?

@ CCP Frame

Is the damage inflicted by a flux nade considered splash?

Now that we will get All heavy suits, will The amarr ones move more into Heavy Dropsuit based on armor, instead on the current ones that mix Armor and shields (as I think more than they should)?

So... Why is Gallente, not Amarr (the epitome of armor tank) the ones with four lows AND a built in armor rep? So gallente can use three slots for plates, and the fourth for a repper, increasing even further the amount of tank they have over an amarr sentinel. So the amarr gets an extra highslot, boo hoo. It's not gonna matter much after the damage modifier nerfs.

Agree with this.

I always looked it like Amarr are the maximun expression of Armor, followed close by the Gallente (but not over it)

You're mistaken. All Logi suits will be hacking faster in 1.8. The MinLogi will be hacking slightly faster than the other Logis. Go check the data again.

And due to the popular demand, here is the excel sheet version of all the data!

The hacking bonus is gone for the Minmatar Logi. The only hacking bonus I found was the Minmatar Scout suit.

Exactly what are you talking about?

The MinLogi did lose the skill bonus to hacking, but all Logi suits have an innate hack speed bonus on the suit. Check out this picture, see the column titled "Hacking Speed Bonus"? That's what I'm talking about.

HFS! some logis have an innate 20% hack bonus? Darn - I thought it was only scouts getting an innate hacking bonus. Good call.


[Edit] I guess we're waiting for the patch notes so we can see all the latest up-to-date data in a single place. I've been looking at a spreadsheet with scout ratings that someone else said was changed..... :-/

It's the MinLogis that get the 20% base hacking bonus, the others get 15%. You'll notice that the Minmatar Assault and Scout suits also hack 5% faster than their racial counterparts. Cool, huh?

Ai yes, I thought my minnie scout with max skills would be the fastest hacker out there, but no, logis will hack faster. Makes sense though.

So what figures are we looking at there? 20% innate + 25% hack skill + say, 50% of codebreaker modules (don't know how stacking penalty works, but just say 50% with 2)

That's about a 5 second hack no? Wow.

Actually the Minmatar Logi has a 20% hack speed bonus, while someone with level 5 in Minmatar Scout will have a base 35% hack speed bonus (skill bonus + innate suit bonus). So without any modules, the Scout wins. The Logi might be able to overcome this by stacking Codebreakers, but that would take up a lot of slots whereas the Scout can do it with none.

Is there any way the suit bonuses could be made to be of more broad use? Currently players use a lot of different combinations of weapons and drop suits, and it would be nice if it remained that way; instead of the game becoming such that if you use a gallente suit you better only use gallente weapons, and not a rail rifle or a combat rifle.

Which weapons are the Hybrid-Blaster weapons? are all gallente weapons hybrid-blaster? Or only the Assault Rifle and bolt pistol?
Same question for each of the different types I'd like a list of different weapon bonuses, and which applies to which.

Which weapons are the Hybrid-Blaster weapons? are all gallente weapons hybrid-blaster? Or only the Assault Rifle and bolt pistol?
Same question for each of the different types I'd like a list of different weapon bonuses, and which applies to which.

Which weapons are the Hybrid-Blaster weapons? are all gallente weapons hybrid-blaster? Or only the Assault Rifle and bolt pistol?
Same question for each of the different types I'd like a list of different weapon bonuses, and which applies to which.

Why is it that Scouts and Heavies get suit bonuses that apply no matter how you fit the suit, while Assaults and Logis are pinholed into using specific equipment/weapons to make use of their bonuses?

There's a distinct disparity between the suit bonus philosophy. For example, if Scouts got the same treatment as Assaults and Logis with their bonuses then you'd see bonuses like "+5% to efficacy of Profile Dampeners per level" or "+5% to efficacy of Cardiac Regulators per level". See how boring these bonuses are? They force you to use a specific module to make any use of the bonus.

Luckily, Scouts don't have those bonuses because apparently them and Heavies get preferential treatment when it comes to customization. Assaults and Logis on the other hand are forced to forego customization to make use of already meager bonuses to a SINGLE class of weaponry or equipment. It really ruins the point of the game by having these crap bonuses.