As noted in Aero's thread in General, the three of the scout suits are getting the equivalent of multiple/complex mods for their suit bonuses (Caldari, Gallente, Minmatar). The Amarr Scout suit is getting the equivalent of a basic cardiac regulator.

The Amarr Scout bonus needs a boost for parity (see thread), and probably needs another stat thrown in so it effectively is getting "multiple" modules worth of bonus as well. I'd suggest adjuncts like 2% Sprint speed per level, +1 Scrambler Clip per level, 5% Droplink fitting per level... something like that. The first one probably makes the most sense given the stamina bonus though.

[quote=Sirpidey Adtur]Let's start by looking at the skill bonuses.


Amarr and Minmitar:
Hoo boy. the bonuses can only apply to ONE type of tank, so to get the full effect of the bonus out, you need to dual tank. Whereas the other two suits can dual tank OR single tank with other sorts of mods, and still get the full bonus.

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Commando:
The base effect is good, and will disproportionally effect swarm launchers and plasma cannons.
Caldari:
Light railgun weapons... So the Rail rifle (two variations) and the Sniper rifle (two variations). Not a lot of versatility there.

Gallente:
It will get bonuses to the assault rifle( FOUR variations) , the shotgun (Two variations) and the plasma cannon, which was already significantly buffed by the other bonus.

Amarr:
Bonuses to Laser rifle and Scrambler rifle (two variations)

Minmitar:
Bonuses to.... Combat rifle (Two variations). (and eventually, the precision rifle, when that gets released)

Huh, looks like the Minmitar gets bonuses to ONE possible gun, which has two variations, so their bonus shoehorns them very hard. Meanwhile the Gallente have three different base types of weapons, of which there are LOTS of variations, in addition to having the plasma cannon already buffed with the reload change.

Bottom line: Minmitar got a crappy bonus, Gallente has an excellent one.

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In fact Minmatarr Commando have a really good bonuse.
Their bonus to "explosive" is for the Mass Driver.
Commandos Minmatarr is Supposed to Combat Rifle AND Mass Driver. Which is a deadly combo.

And if someone dunno why amarr gets more PG/CPU than others it's because their weapons (Scrambler/Laser) takes 3x more PG/CPU to use.
STD scrambler rifle = 11 pG.
PRO CR = 8 PG...

it already has the highest base HP and highest total EHP.

Scanning Feedback

With the new scout bonuses, it looks like the Gal Logi scanning precision bonus will be sticking around. So the new number for scouts to stay hidden will likely be 21dB.

Gal Scout will need Lvl 3 in Dampening and one Enhanced Dampener to dodge 21dB scans; all other scouts will need Lvl 5 Dampening and one Complex and one Enhanced Dampener. For 28dB scans, Lvl 5 Gal Scouts can dodge it naturally without any skill into dampening and other scouts will need Lvl 3 Dampening and one Enhanced Dampener.

So it looks like dampening may still be viable for scouts even if the Gal Logi bonus goes through. Unfortunately the same can't be said of dampening on medium frames, unless the base scan profiles for mediums are changed accordingly.

Yes... by 30 hp. It's also the slowest suit. It's the same speed as the current Minmatar Assault, but has fewer hp and slots.

The hp difference is balanced by speed. The suit bonuses should not be. Also, comparing something like the Minmatar gets Free Complex Hacking Module (and +5% from suit over other scouts) and Free Complex Nova-knife damage mod to...... Free Basic Cardiac Regulator? Not even close to parity.

A boost to the stamina/stamina-recharge boost to bring it to complex regulator status at proto and a more marginal addition like the equivalent of a basic kin-cat, a scrambler clip-size bonus, droplink fitting, or whatever... seems fair in comparison.

Just noticed that all scouts have an innate 5% hacking bonus... except the Minmatar scout who gets a 10% bonus. However, the Minmatar suit-skill-role bonus is also 5% hacking speed per level, right? Is it necessary to double up on the bonuses like that? Twice the innate suit bonus to hacking, and a per-level role-bonus for hacking as well?

The Caldari Scout racial bonus is 5% scan radius per level and 5% scan precision per level.
At level 5, this is the equivalent of one free standard range amplifier and one free complex precision enhancer (actually a little more since complex precision enhancers are 20%)

The Gallente Scout racial bonus is 5% scan radius per level and 5% profile signature reduction per level
At level 5, this is the equivalent of one free standard range amplifier and one free complex profile dampener.

The Minmatar Scout racial bonus is 5% hacking speed and nova knife damage per level.
At level 5, this is the equivalent of one free complex code breaker and multiple free complex sidearm damage modifiers

And now for the fun part,
The Amarr Scout racial bonus is 5% stamina recovery and max stamina per level.
At level 5, this is the equivalent of less than one basic cardiac regulator, and that's it. A basic cardiac regulator does 25% more stamina and 50% more stamina recovery.


So all other races get a free complex module and then some, but Amarr scout gets the short end of the stick here. I think it would be more than fair to bump this bonus to 20% stamina recovery and max stamina per level, which at level 5 would be 100% bonus to each which is the equivalent of one complex cardiac regulator.

An observation:

The Amarr Commando's stats break a trend from the other suits. It has 650 ehp, which is the same as both the Gallente and Caldari.

So, the Amarr Commando has no hp advantage, the same number of slots, but is the slowest Commando. Is this intended?

Couple things:

1) HOLY CRAP AWESOME THANK YOU CCP!

2) Caldari Sentinel: 4 second recharge delayGǪ [b]one second[b] depleted shield recharge delay?? Really?

3) Minmatar Sentinel is going to have massive CPU problems, while at the same time having more PG than any heavy suit could ever need. Unless you're going to lower the CPU and increase the PG of the Heavy Machine Gun, please reconsider this.

They'll likely have to fit CPUs in their lows if they want max damage.

As you can tell, they are reworking the themes of the Dust races to be more in line with EVE. Now Amarr suits have the most armor, like in EVE, while Gallente sits get a bonus to armor regen, also like in EVE.