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8213
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Posted - 2013.11.10 02:49:00 -
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I was playing around tonight and noticed two things that sort of tie into one another.
Since CCP's new Executive Producer wanted to "turn up the action", I noticed something in Ambush OMS games and it ties to an earlier thought I had about redline sniping.
First things first: Redline Snipers.
You know when you play basketball, and if you shoot the ball and goes into the basket, but your foot stepped out of bounds, the shot doesn't count? Why would a sniper be allowed to sit out of bounds and still get rewarded with doing damage?
Now, I'm not venting about it. In fact, snipers are MEANINGLESS in this game. They don't contribute, even in Ambush game modes. Snipers can b*tch all they want about that, but face facts; snipers make no impact on games other than being nuisances. If I get killed by one, I really don't care, because its only one death and it won't happen again.
These maps are plenty big enough where the sniper can still have major distance without being out of bounds in the red zone.
How this ties into tighter maps: Shrinking games?
In all the Ambush OMS games I played tonight, as I looked over the map before i spawned in I noticed how small the space was. We were playing OMS in standard Ambush spaces, and Turrets even dropped. I am wondering if this is one of CCPs attempts to turn up the action? Because all those Ambush games were over in 5 minutes, just like a standard Ambush game would be, because the time between kill waves is tighter because of the tighter maps.
If this is the case, then smaller maps will hurt snipers in this game and render them to Call of Duty type of playstyles because you can't get enough distance between you and the enemy. But at the same time, I had good Shotgun performances tonight because of the tighter maps. I suppose tighter OMS games wouldn't be a bad thing, as long as the large games stay in the rotation as well. |
Xocoyol Zaraoul
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Posted - 2013.11.10 02:52:00 -
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I beg to differ... Snipers are not meaningless in this game
When I snipe, my team notices my impact.
Due to my Thale, we have one of our objectives permanently safe, that tower-camping swarmer/forger terrorizing our derpships/infantry is dead, and enemy AV infantry get shot to pieces allowing my team's HAV to run rampant in half of the map.
Sounds like you just hate crappy snipers... But bad snipers are no different then the useless AR nutters who die 17 times score 150 warpoints.
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8213
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Posted - 2013.11.10 02:57:00 -
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Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:I beg to differ... Snipers are not meaningless in this game
When I snipe, my team notices my impact.
Due to my Thale, we have one of our objectives permanently safe, that tower-camping swarmer/forger terrorizing our derpships/infantry is dead, and enemy AV infantry get shot to pieces allowing my team's HAV to run rampant in half of the map.
Sounds like you just hate crappy snipers... But bad snipers are no different then the useless AR nutters who die 17 times score 150 warpoints.
Dude... don't give me the Sniper wishful thinking rant.. I've heard it 1000x... You wish you could single handedly defend an objective. You wish you could pop an enemy's head off just as he's about to kill your teammate, being a hero... you wish you could earn enough kills to balance out the bottom half of your team... you wish all of that BUT YOU CAN'T... I've never seen it, witnessed it, or even heard about...
A sniper gets about 1 key shot every game, if they are lucky, that's it. All you do is kill Scouts and Starter Fits, and coutnersnipe the other useless snipers on the other team.
DUST 514 Fact: The team with the most snipers, LOSES everytime. |
VAHZZ
The dyst0pian Corporation
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Posted - 2013.11.10 02:58:00 -
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While i agree red line snipers are just..pitiful..seriously besmirching us snipers, but real snipers can still find a way in tighter maps..also, snipers are meaningless? they don't contribute?....like are we suppose to hack stuff for you and put the logibros out of jobs? while you go around guns a blazin?...or are we suppose to stop the other team from breathing by shooting them through the skull or jugguler?....to quote one of my favorite snipers in this game: "real snipers don't gather intelligence, they make sure there is no intelligence left on the battlefield" - something along those lines..me personally, i go all over the map - whether it be my favorite perches or behind the corner waiting for you with my NK...snipers are LONG! DISTANCE!
In this war, a danger there is, of losing who we are.
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Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
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Posted - 2013.11.10 03:00:00 -
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Well then carry on with your frontline infantry rant, I've heard all of them too.
*shrugs*
Have fun.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.11.10 03:09:00 -
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8213 wrote:Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:I beg to differ... Snipers are not meaningless in this game
When I snipe, my team notices my impact.
Due to my Thale, we have one of our objectives permanently safe, that tower-camping swarmer/forger terrorizing our derpships/infantry is dead, and enemy AV infantry get shot to pieces allowing my team's HAV to run rampant in half of the map.
Sounds like you just hate crappy snipers... But bad snipers are no different then the useless AR nutters who die 17 times score 150 warpoints. Dude... don't give me the Sniper wishful thinking rant.. I've heard it 1000x... You wish you could single handedly defend an objective. You wish you could pop an enemy's head off just as he's about to kill your teammate, being a hero... you wish you could earn enough kills to balance out the bottom half of your team... you wish all of that BUT YOU CAN'T... I've never seen it, witnessed it, or even heard about... A sniper gets about 1 key shot every game, if they are lucky, that's it. All you do is kill Scouts and Starter Fits, and coutnersnipe the other useless snipers on the other team. DUST 514 Fact: The team with the most snipers, LOSES everytime.
I Charge Snipe the brains and balls of of PRO Heavies and Callogis bricktanking on a regular basis.
I get around 20 kills with a sniper when I'm in the right position, and have prevented hacks numerous times. There are a lot of $#!t snipers, and I may not be the best (never will be), but I do think that a sniper can have it's uses in the right situation.
There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry
You'll still be useful in my eyes
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8213
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Posted - 2013.11.10 03:15:00 -
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Atiim wrote:8213 wrote:Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:I beg to differ... Snipers are not meaningless in this game
When I snipe, my team notices my impact.
Due to my Thale, we have one of our objectives permanently safe, that tower-camping swarmer/forger terrorizing our derpships/infantry is dead, and enemy AV infantry get shot to pieces allowing my team's HAV to run rampant in half of the map.
Sounds like you just hate crappy snipers... But bad snipers are no different then the useless AR nutters who die 17 times score 150 warpoints. Dude... don't give me the Sniper wishful thinking rant.. I've heard it 1000x... You wish you could single handedly defend an objective. You wish you could pop an enemy's head off just as he's about to kill your teammate, being a hero... you wish you could earn enough kills to balance out the bottom half of your team... you wish all of that BUT YOU CAN'T... I've never seen it, witnessed it, or even heard about... A sniper gets about 1 key shot every game, if they are lucky, that's it. All you do is kill Scouts and Starter Fits, and coutnersnipe the other useless snipers on the other team. DUST 514 Fact: The team with the most snipers, LOSES everytime. I Charge Snipe the brains and balls of of PRO Heavies and Callogis bricktanking on a regular basis. I get around 20 kills with a sniper when I'm in the right position, and have prevented hacks numerous times. There are a lot of $#!t snipers, and I may not be the best (never will be), but I do think that a sniper can have it's uses in the right situation.
Hopefully that situation isn't a team dropping an uplink on an Objective and 6 of them trying to hack it at once....
Highest Sniper game I have ever seen was 56 kills with a Thale's. That guy got an Orbital dropped on him TWICE (he somehow survived the first one)... But you know what? His team still lost.
DUST is a team game, no individual can make an impact in it, let alone a sniper.
I'll take a Shotgun Scout on my team over a Thale's or Charge Sniper any day.
I can earn more WP with a Swarm Launcher than the best sniper ever could. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.11.10 03:15:00 -
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Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:I beg to differ... Snipers are not meaningless in this game
When I snipe, my team notices my impact.
Due to my Thale, we have one of our objectives permanently safe, that tower-camping swarmer/forger terrorizing our derpships/infantry is dead, and enemy AV infantry get shot to pieces allowing my team's HAV to run rampant in half of the map.
Sounds like you just hate crappy snipers... But bad snipers are no different then the useless AR nutters who die 17 times score 150 warpoints.
This.
You know how people always ***** about it when an uplink gets on top of a building only reachable by dropships? (AKA the reason why people ***** about weapons with splash)
Well, I actually farmed kills with a sniper from one of those instances a little while ago, while saving the asses of all the mindless blueberries they were shooting down at. |
8213
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Posted - 2013.11.10 03:21:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:I beg to differ... Snipers are not meaningless in this game
When I snipe, my team notices my impact.
Due to my Thale, we have one of our objectives permanently safe, that tower-camping swarmer/forger terrorizing our derpships/infantry is dead, and enemy AV infantry get shot to pieces allowing my team's HAV to run rampant in half of the map.
Sounds like you just hate crappy snipers... But bad snipers are no different then the useless AR nutters who die 17 times score 150 warpoints. This. You know how people always ***** about it when an uplink gets on top of a building only reachable by dropships? (AKA the reason why people ***** about weapons with splash) Well, I actually farmed kills with a sniper from one of those instances a little while ago, while saving the asses of all the mindless blueberries they were shooting down at.
So you made an impact in one game? Typical snipers story... refer to the one time you actually had a good game and ignore the other 100 games where you went 4-15/0 on the losing team...
If one sniper can actually pin down the entire enemy team, EVERY single game they are in, or even half of them... then I'd say Sniping is dangerous. But quite frankly its just a method to raise KD.
Snipers don't contribute anything to the game, that's a simple fact. If they did, they would be more widespread in P/C...
And the fact that they can hide behind the Redline kind of makes anything they do seem "skilless" |
8213
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Posted - 2013.11.10 03:23:00 -
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I knew I'd catch flack for pointing out the obvious and trying to taint the Sniper's Illusion of Grandeur, but back to the topic. Should they be allowed to snipe from behind the redline? |
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.11.10 03:27:00 -
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Well you need to meet some people in that sniper chat a friend made. Some of those guys don't even need to crouch down to kill with the sniper rifle 
They are by far the best snipers I've ever seen and have even cause the other team to be cloned on a regular basis. They relay info about the enemy's whereabouts and tell you what is being called in, and at what time.
Maybe you should squad up with some of them. Snipers are actually very useful in the right hands.
Sniper's feel free to join the channel. Just send me some mail in-game (it's invite only)
There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry
You'll still be useful in my eyes
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.11.10 03:31:00 -
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8213 wrote:I knew I'd catch flack for pointing out the obvious and trying to taint the Sniper's Illusion of Grandeur, but back to the topic. Should they be allowed to snipe from behind the redline?
The real question is, should brainless AR users be allowed to pointlessly run in circles around an abandoned objective?
The ratio of AR users to snipers who do nothing in a battle is far higher. Meat shield dies 20 times... x3 meats = 60 of 100 clones down the drain.
In case you forget clones can loose the battle as well.
I'd rather have a useless sniper on a hill than a useless AR user careening us to clone defeat.
If you can read this, it means you are reading.
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8213
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Posted - 2013.11.10 03:41:00 -
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:8213 wrote:I knew I'd catch flack for pointing out the obvious and trying to taint the Sniper's Illusion of Grandeur, but back to the topic. Should they be allowed to snipe from behind the redline? The real question is, should brainless AR users be allowed to pointlessly run in circles around an abandoned objective? The ratio of AR users to snipers who do nothing in a battle is far higher. Meat shield dies 20 times... x3 meats = 60 of 100 clones down the drain. In case you forget clones can loose the battle as well. I'd rather have a useless sniper on a hill than a useless AR user careening us to clone defeat.
What is it about you guys that you all assume everyone is an AR user? Or better yet, I get accused of being an AR Wh0re on this board all the time; like its an insult...
Newflash: I DO NOT USE THE AR!! Not everyone is convinced that's the only way to play this game (although I'll probably convert sooner than later)
I'll still take those meat shields on my team, because they can:
-hack objectives
-get more kills cause they aren't restricted to one side of a map
-farm WP by being a Logi
all sniper think about is their KD, because its the only stat they have that's impressive. Yet all the highest KDs in the game have the worst Win/loss percentages I have ever seen...
when DUST has a game mode that rewards you team with winning by having the single best KD on the team, then I'll consider sniping more relevant.
Sitting there and averaging 1 kill per minute isn't really doing anything... |
VAHZZ
The dyst0pian Corporation
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Posted - 2013.11.10 03:55:00 -
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8213 wrote:Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:8213 wrote:I knew I'd catch flack for pointing out the obvious and trying to taint the Sniper's Illusion of Grandeur, but back to the topic. Should they be allowed to snipe from behind the redline? The real question is, should brainless AR users be allowed to pointlessly run in circles around an abandoned objective? The ratio of AR users to snipers who do nothing in a battle is far higher. Meat shield dies 20 times... x3 meats = 60 of 100 clones down the drain. In case you forget clones can loose the battle as well. I'd rather have a useless sniper on a hill than a useless AR user careening us to clone defeat. What is it about you guys that you all assume everyone is an AR user? Or better yet, I get accused of being an AR Wh0re on this board all the time; like its an insult... Newflash: I DO NOT USE THE AR!! Not everyone is convinced that's the only way to play this game (although I'll probably convert sooner than later) I'll still take those meat shields on my team, because they can: -hack objectives -get more kills cause they aren't restricted to one side of a map -farm WP by being a Logi all sniper think about is their KD, because its the only stat they have that's impressive. Yet all the highest KDs in the game have the worst Win/loss percentages I have ever seen... when DUST has a game mode that rewards you team with winning by having the single best KD on the team, then I'll consider sniping more relevant. Sitting there and averaging 1 kill per minute isn't really doing anything...
restricted to one side of the map...only think about KD...and still on the objectives.
1.) have you ever met a good sniper so far?..i mean really good?...like one that goes all over the map not just to perches? or that goes from one perch to another?
2.) my KD is like..not good..91/138...do you think i care about my KD?...wanna know what i care about?...making sure the other team doesn't live and doesn't reach the objectives with their heads intact, wanna know how successive i have been? those 91 kills are all from those that tried to mess with my team, even if it is full of blueberries sometimes.
3.) i've already asked...do you want us to put the LogiBros out of a job?...if i remember correctly, real world snipers stay thousands of feet away and snipe the opposing teams grunts/frontline and make sure they don't live to hurt their comrades. Stealth brah..stealth...that is what a sniper is for, more stealth than scouts..
In this war, a danger there is, of losing who we are.
l
Seeker of knowledge and truth.
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.11.10 03:59:00 -
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8213 wrote:Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:8213 wrote:I knew I'd catch flack for pointing out the obvious and trying to taint the Sniper's Illusion of Grandeur, but back to the topic. Should they be allowed to snipe from behind the redline? The real question is, should brainless AR users be allowed to pointlessly run in circles around an abandoned objective? The ratio of AR users to snipers who do nothing in a battle is far higher. Meat shield dies 20 times... x3 meats = 60 of 100 clones down the drain. In case you forget clones can loose the battle as well. I'd rather have a useless sniper on a hill than a useless AR user careening us to clone defeat. What is it about you guys that you all assume everyone is an AR user? Or better yet, I get accused of being an AR Wh0re on this board all the time; like its an insult... Newflash: I DO NOT USE THE AR!! Not everyone is convinced that's the only way to play this game (although I'll probably convert sooner than later) I'll still take those meat shields on my team, because they can: -hack objectives -get more kills cause they aren't restricted to one side of a map -farm WP by being a Logi all sniper think about is their KD, because its the only stat they have that's impressive. Yet all the highest KDs in the game have the worst Win/loss percentages I have ever seen... when DUST has a game mode that rewards you team with winning by having the single best KD on the team, then I'll consider sniping more relevant. Sitting there and averaging 1 kill per minute isn't really doing anything...
Where did I say you used an AR in this thread?
You're ranting in doublethink now. See how you claim meat shields can get more kills? Then say that snipers don't get kills, then prior you complained about a sniper getting 50 or so kills?
8213 wrote:Hopefully that situation isn't a team dropping an uplink on an Objective and 6 of them trying to hack it at once....
Highest Sniper game I have ever seen was 56 kills with a Thale's. That guy got an Orbital dropped on him TWICE (he somehow survived the first one)... But you know what? His team still lost.
This sniper did just what you asked him to do Probably even had a few uplinks around the center of the field too, as that's what all the high end snipers do. Uplink then hunt from point to point.
You aren't arguing on any logic whatsoever, you're just ranting because you got shot halfway across the map and are trying to justify why you are unable to hit them back.
Also, here's a question. Why would you need someone on the ground to hack back a point if no enemy can survive long enough to reach the point?
If you can read this, it means you are reading.
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8213
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Posted - 2013.11.10 04:13:00 -
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:8213 wrote:Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:8213 wrote:I knew I'd catch flack for pointing out the obvious and trying to taint the Sniper's Illusion of Grandeur, but back to the topic. Should they be allowed to snipe from behind the redline? The real question is, should brainless AR users be allowed to pointlessly run in circles around an abandoned objective? The ratio of AR users to snipers who do nothing in a battle is far higher. Meat shield dies 20 times... x3 meats = 60 of 100 clones down the drain. In case you forget clones can loose the battle as well. I'd rather have a useless sniper on a hill than a useless AR user careening us to clone defeat. What is it about you guys that you all assume everyone is an AR user? Or better yet, I get accused of being an AR Wh0re on this board all the time; like its an insult... Newflash: I DO NOT USE THE AR!! Not everyone is convinced that's the only way to play this game (although I'll probably convert sooner than later) I'll still take those meat shields on my team, because they can: -hack objectives -get more kills cause they aren't restricted to one side of a map -farm WP by being a Logi all sniper think about is their KD, because its the only stat they have that's impressive. Yet all the highest KDs in the game have the worst Win/loss percentages I have ever seen... when DUST has a game mode that rewards you team with winning by having the single best KD on the team, then I'll consider sniping more relevant. Sitting there and averaging 1 kill per minute isn't really doing anything... Where did I say you used an AR in this thread? You're ranting in doublethink now. See how you claim meat shields can get more kills? Then say that snipers don't get kills, then prior you complained about a sniper getting 50 or so kills? 8213 wrote:Hopefully that situation isn't a team dropping an uplink on an Objective and 6 of them trying to hack it at once....
Highest Sniper game I have ever seen was 56 kills with a Thale's. That guy got an Orbital dropped on him TWICE (he somehow survived the first one)... But you know what? His team still lost. This sniper did just what you asked him to do Probably even had a few uplinks around the center of the field too, as that's what all the high end snipers do. Uplink then hunt from point to point. You aren't arguing on any logic whatsoever, you're just ranting because you got shot halfway across the map and are trying to justify why you are unable to hit them back. Also, here's a question. Why would you need someone on the ground to hack back a point if no enemy can survive long enough to reach the point?
Wishful thinking as usual... ...
The day a sniper skills me twice in one match is the day I'll come back on here and take it all back. The day a sniper apparently shuts down the entire enemy team is the day I come on here and take it all back. They day i've died 100x by snipers is the day I take it all back...
Sure, you can sight one time examples, but so can anyone else in this game about anything. And I wasn't complainging about the Thale's guy, I said it was the best I have ever seen. And remember the part where I mentioned that his team still lost? How can you kill a third of the clones and still lose?
Sorry, but its fact. Look everywhere on YouTube if you want, you won't find any evidence of these heroic snipers there either. I think you guys watch to many movies...
Let me know when you get a 3000WP while sniping too. |
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.11.10 04:34:00 -
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8213 wrote:Wishful thinking as usual... ...
This little part here practically screams that you're floundering for ideas, and the only way you could possibly back your point is to appear "majestically dismissive". Such posing didn't keep kings on their thrones hundreds of years ago, and it still fails to work today.
8213 wrote:The day a sniper skills me twice in one match is the day I'll come back on here and take it all back. The day a sniper apparently shuts down the entire enemy team is the day I come on here and take it all back. They day i've died 100x by snipers is the day I take it all back...
Being killed twice in a game by the same sniper isn't that hard of a thing for a sniper to do.
You already quoted a sniper shutting a team down, the 56 kills. Too bad the ground support was inadequate for such a huge handicap.
Also getting killed 100 times is statistically impossible in most games as the cap of clones is set to 100.
8213 wrote:
Sure, you can sight one time examples, but so can anyone else in this game about anything. And I wasn't complainging about the Thale's guy, I said it was the best I have ever seen. And remember the part where I mentioned that his team still lost? How can you kill a third of the clones and still lose?
Failure of ground support, namely people like you who rant and rave instead of going out and doing.
8213 wrote:
Sorry, but its fact. Look everywhere on YouTube if you want, you won't find any evidence of these heroic snipers there either. I think you guys watch to many movies...
Let me know when you get a 3000WP while sniping too.
I don't just snipe, I have points in everything from Heavy, to Vehicles, to Assault, and I'm looking toward logistics. Mix'n match is what every upper tier sniper does. You think they just sit in one suit the entire game in one corner? Nope, that's just the bad ones. The good ones pelt a few shots down to annoy people, switch suits, then assist with flanking while the opponents are still hallucinating about a sniper on the "hill over yonder".
I'd say it works PRETTY DAMN WELL, because you're here complaining about snipers on the "hill over yonder".
If you can read this, it means you are reading.
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ShinyJay
RETR0 PR0 GAMERS
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Posted - 2013.11.10 04:40:00 -
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i like sniping in this game, but i think I'd be better if everything was going against me. map design, shield/armor tank, my sniper needing damage mods just to be effective. I even try to make due with it all, but i just can't. snipers need something for them to be effective on the field and for the team. until then, i run out in the field with my shotgun scout.
The bunneh minnie scout sniper, hopping along and leaving blood trails
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8213
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Posted - 2013.11.10 04:53:00 -
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:8213 wrote:Wishful thinking as usual... ... This little part here practically screams that you're floundering for ideas, and the only way you could possibly back your point is to appear "majestically dismissive". Such posing didn't keep kings on their thrones hundreds of years ago, and it still fails to work today. 8213 wrote:The day a sniper skills me twice in one match is the day I'll come back on here and take it all back. The day a sniper apparently shuts down the entire enemy team is the day I come on here and take it all back. They day i've died 100x by snipers is the day I take it all back... Being killed twice in a game by the same sniper isn't that hard of a thing for a sniper to do. You already quoted a sniper shutting a team down, the 56 kills. Too bad the ground support was inadequate for such a huge handicap. Also getting killed 100 times is statistically impossible in most games as the cap of clones is set to 100. So logic would dictate, that I was talking about 100 Lifetime kills...  The 56 kill guy didn't shut the team down obviously, because we were still wrecking enough to win and get 5-6 Orbitals... When you see those higher kill games, its just a handful of sttarter fit noobs making repeated bad decisions, the one guy manhandling the entire team. And, I've never been killed by a sniper in-game twice, but that's just me. Obviously there are great snipers in this game (listen carefully, because chances are you'll choose to ignore this part because it doesn't fuel your argument) that can get multiple kills, and assist in protecting an objective. But, all they can do is get kills. Which means very little in the overall scheme of the game. Snipers have high KDs but terrible win/loss and WP records, because they don't contribute to the team in any other facet other than getting a handful of kill, most of them meaningless. 8213 wrote:
Sure, you can sight one time examples, but so can anyone else in this game about anything. And I wasn't complaining about the Thale's guy, I said it was the best I have ever seen. And remember the part where I mentioned that his team still lost? How can you kill a third of the clones and still lose?
Failure of ground support, namely people like you who rant and rave instead of going out and doing. 8213 wrote:
Sorry, but its fact. Look everywhere on YouTube if you want, you won't find any evidence of these heroic snipers there either. I think you guys watch to many movies...
Let me know when you get a 3000WP while sniping too.
I don't just snipe, I have points in everything from Heavy, to Vehicles, to Assault, and I'm looking toward logistics. Mix'n match is what every upper tier sniper does. You think they just sit in one suit the entire game in one corner? Nope, that's just the bad ones. The good ones pelt a few shots down to annoy people, switch suits, then assist with flanking while the opponents are still hallucinating about a sniper on the "hill over yonder". I'd say it works PRETTY DAMN WELL, because you're here complaining about snipers on the "hill over yonder".
So, you can't tell me about a 3000WP sniper match then, can you? Okay, come back when you hear of one. I made the very point of mentioning in the start of this post, that I don't think snipers are a problem, and that they are in fact; useless; that they don't hinder my game what-so-ever. I was making the point of the simple rules of engagement. Being able to shoot and kill (all be it very seldom) from out of bounds kind of throws off the whole point of having a redzone in the first place I think.
My post is about smaller maps and redline sniping, not trying to prove how a sniper can once-in-a-blue-moon being semi-useful. |
Michael Arck
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Posted - 2013.11.10 05:04:00 -
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Well this turned into a Sniper Vs. Whoever thread quickly.
I will add this, good snipers are few and far in between. I've seen snipers continue to snipe even when their team is losing on ground. They won't adjust or change their tactic. They continue only sniping.
I hate it when folks do that on my own team. We need on ground pushing instead of up hill marshmellow roasting. I've been shot by snipers and laugh when I see they have only 6 kills. Yet their team is losing the objective AND clone count.
Don't get me wrong, I do appreciate a good sniper but there's like 9 of em in the entire universe. The rest are pure garbage. |
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Talryn Vilneram
SVER True Blood
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8213 wrote:Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:8213 wrote:I knew I'd catch flack for pointing out the obvious and trying to taint the Sniper's Illusion of Grandeur, but back to the topic. Should they be allowed to snipe from behind the redline? The real question is, should brainless AR users be allowed to pointlessly run in circles around an abandoned objective? The ratio of AR users to snipers who do nothing in a battle is far higher. Meat shield dies 20 times... x3 meats = 60 of 100 clones down the drain. In case you forget clones can loose the battle as well. I'd rather have a useless sniper on a hill than a useless AR user careening us to clone defeat. What is it about you guys that you all assume everyone is an AR user? Or better yet, I get accused of being an AR Wh0re on this board all the time; like its an insult... Newflash: I DO NOT USE THE AR!! Not everyone is convinced that's the only way to play this game (although I'll probably convert sooner than later) I'll still take those meat shields on my team, because they can: -hack objectives -get more kills cause they aren't restricted to one side of a map -farm WP by being a Logi all sniper think about is their KD, because its the only stat they have that's impressive. Yet all the highest KDs in the game have the worst Win/loss percentages I have ever seen... when DUST has a game mode that rewards you team with winning by having the single best KD on the team, then I'll consider sniping more relevant. Sitting there and averaging 1 kill per minute isn't really doing anything...
I haven't seen ignorance like this on these forums in awhile.
Good snipers don't sit on one side of the map and just camp kills.
I am CONSTANTLY moving. As soon as i shoot someone or kill them I assume they know where I am. I am running a scout suit with full scan dampening and scan amps. I have no tank. I am moving around the entire redline taking shots. If I am 100M from an objective and NO one is around (since I can see from my perch) I'll run down and take it come back and perch again. The other team is spending a lot of time undoing everything I do. That allows my team to hold other objectives.
I can SEE the other team running around scared of me. They change where they run and divert their attention. Half my kills are simply kill assists from wounding shots with my Kaalakiota Rifle that my squad finishes as they panic after getting hit once.
After I headshot the other teams logi my squad rushes them. Oh yeah I am CONSTANTLY feeding intel on enemy movements and where their tank is.
I am one of the LYNCH PINS of my squad.
Just because you run into dumb snipers doesn't mean snipers can't be a highly valuable member of a team. |
8213
Grade No.2
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Talryn Vilneram wrote:8213 wrote:Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:8213 wrote:I knew I'd catch flack for pointing out the obvious and trying to taint the Sniper's Illusion of Grandeur, but back to the topic. Should they be allowed to snipe from behind the redline? The real question is, should brainless AR users be allowed to pointlessly run in circles around an abandoned objective? The ratio of AR users to snipers who do nothing in a battle is far higher. Meat shield dies 20 times... x3 meats = 60 of 100 clones down the drain. In case you forget clones can loose the battle as well. I'd rather have a useless sniper on a hill than a useless AR user careening us to clone defeat. What is it about you guys that you all assume everyone is an AR user? Or better yet, I get accused of being an AR Wh0re on this board all the time; like its an insult... Newflash: I DO NOT USE THE AR!! Not everyone is convinced that's the only way to play this game (although I'll probably convert sooner than later) I'll still take those meat shields on my team, because they can: -hack objectives -get more kills cause they aren't restricted to one side of a map -farm WP by being a Logi all sniper think about is their KD, because its the only stat they have that's impressive. Yet all the highest KDs in the game have the worst Win/loss percentages I have ever seen... when DUST has a game mode that rewards you team with winning by having the single best KD on the team, then I'll consider sniping more relevant. Sitting there and averaging 1 kill per minute isn't really doing anything... I haven't seen ignorance like this on these forums in awhile. Good snipers don't sit on one side of the map and just camp kills. I am CONSTANTLY moving. As soon as i shoot someone or kill them I assume they know where I am. I am running a scout suit with full scan dampening and scan amps. I have no tank. I am moving around the entire redline taking shots. If I am 100M from an objective and NO one is around (since I can see from my perch) I'll run down and take it come back and perch again. The other team is spending a lot of time undoing everything I do. That allows my team to hold other objectives. I can SEE the other team running around scared of me. They change where they run and divert their attention. Half my kills are simply kill assists from wounding shots with my Kaalakiota Rifle that my squad finishes as they panic after getting hit once. After I headshot the other teams logi my squad rushes them. Oh yeah I am CONSTANTLY feeding intel on enemy movements and where their tank is. I am one of the LYNCH PINS of my squad. Just because you run into dumb snipers doesn't mean snipers can't be a highly valuable member of a team.
An asset, yes. A lynch pin, don't fool yourself. I'm positive your squad can win matches without you, and without you sniping just the same...
But i like how you talked about sniping from the redline... which is what this thread was 1/2 about. So, do you think its fair that you get to sit out of bounds but still collect? What other game on planet earth allows you to score from out of bounds? |
ShinyJay
RETR0 PR0 GAMERS
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i honestly hate red line sniping. it's the very thing that made indirect nerfs to the snipers. only real snipers know the map layouts and can do more for the team outside the red line
The bunneh minnie scout sniper, hopping along and leaving blood trails
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
341
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Posted - 2013.11.10 05:37:00 -
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8213 wrote:So logic would dictate, that I was talking about 100 Lifetime kills... The 56 kill guy didn't shut the team down obviously, because we were still wrecking enough to win and get 5-6 Orbitals... When you see those higher kill games, its just a handful of sttarter fit noobs making repeated bad decisions, the one guy manhandling the entire team. And, I've never been killed by a sniper in-game twice, but that's just me. Obviously there are great snipers in this game (listen carefully, because chances are you'll choose to ignore this part because it doesn't fuel your argument) that can get multiple kills, and assist in protecting an objective. But, all they can do is get kills. Which means very little in the overall scheme of the game. Snipers have high KDs but terrible win/loss and WP records, because they don't contribute to the team in any other facet other than getting a handful of kill, most of them meaningless.
How does you not getting killed in a game twice by a sniper prove snipers are bad? Wouldn't that prove more that sniper rifles need more damage to be able to kill?That their damage scaling is awful? It's a pretty pointless and vapid point because it does not quantify for either bad shooting or substandard damage as it is all opinion currently.
Protecting a point, dropping uplinks, and scanning for hostiles, are all unimportant roles in Dust people! You've heard it here summarized from 8213's post:
"If You use any of these tactics you must automatically suck! But ONLY because snipers use these 3 support systems!"
8213 wrote:
So, you can't tell me about a 3000WP sniper match then, can you? Okay, come back when you hear of one. I made the very point of mentioning in the start of this post, that I don't think snipers are a problem, and that they are in fact; useless; that they don't hinder my game what-so-ever. I was making the point of the simple rules of engagement. Being able to shoot and kill (all be it very seldom) from out of bounds kind of throws off the whole point of having a redzone in the first place I think.
My post is about smaller maps and redline sniping, not trying to prove how a sniper can once-in-a-blue-moon being semi-useful.
A sniper getting more than 3000 WP? like... the livestreams I'm watching now? MPX just went a round with more than 3000 SP... Albeit he messed around in a car for half the battle but he got more than 3000 after using a sniper.
If you can read this, it means you are reading.
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LUGMOS
YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE
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Posted - 2013.11.10 05:37:00 -
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Honestly, snipers can be detrimental to a team, and they can also be fundamental. Your argument against snipers is like saying if Logis are doing there job healing, what good are they in cloning a team. There are many classes that are like snipers, poor scouts and also dropships. |
8213
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Posted - 2013.11.10 05:43:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:Honestly, snipers can be detrimental to a team, and they can also be fundamental. Your argument against snipers is like saying if Logis are doing there job healing, what good are they in cloning a team. There are many classes that are like snipers, poor scouts and also dropships.
I don't hear Dropship pilots or Scouts talking about how they are the heroes of most matches in DUST 514. Do snipers need more to do in the match other than get good KDR games once and a while? Yes. But everything a Sniper can do, everyone else can do it better, and then some. |
LUGMOS
YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE
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Posted - 2013.11.10 05:48:00 -
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If you want to hear a scout say they were the hero of a battle once, I'll tell you a true story:
Both teams had about 1/4 of their MCC HP left. My team had just hacked an objective that would put the null cannon count in our favor 3-2. I killed a counter hacker, and then another, and then another. In my Minnie Scout. |
VAHZZ
The dyst0pian Corporation
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Posted - 2013.11.10 06:05:00 -
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8213 wrote:LUGMOS wrote:Honestly, snipers can be detrimental to a team, and they can also be fundamental. Your argument against snipers is like saying if Logis are doing there job healing, what good are they in cloning a team. There are many classes that are like snipers, poor scouts and also dropships. I don't hear Dropship pilots or Scouts talking about how they are the heroes of most matches in DUST 514. Do snipers need more to do in the match other than get good KDR games once and a while? Yes. But everything a Sniper can do, everyone else can do it better, and then some.
where the heck did you get people saying snipers are the heroes of matches?...
In this war, a danger there is, of losing who we are.
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LUGMOS
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Posted - 2013.11.10 06:08:00 -
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I believe he was assuming that you guys were saying that when you guys said they could defend an objective single handed. |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.11.10 06:10:00 -
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8213 wrote:LUGMOS wrote:Honestly, snipers can be detrimental to a team, and they can also be fundamental. Your argument against snipers is like saying if Logis are doing there job healing, what good are they in cloning a team. There are many classes that are like snipers, poor scouts and also dropships. I don't hear Dropship pilots or Scouts talking about how they are the heroes of most matches in DUST 514. Do snipers need more to do in the match other than get good KDR games once and a while? Yes. But everything a Sniper can do, everyone else can do it better, and then some.
A guy with a PRO Active scanner can see a full squad of people preparing to flank while still being 400m+ away from you?
A scout can relay intellgence about what is being called in near the enemy redline?
An assault can use his gun to kill that other Charge sniper on a roof?
There are many things that snipers do better than other roles.
There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry
You'll still be useful in my eyes
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Atiim
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Posted - 2013.11.10 06:13:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:I believe he was assuming that you guys were saying that when you guys said they could defend an objective single handed.
Makes sense, but Dropship pilots and Scouts would do the same if I started attacking them.
There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry
You'll still be useful in my eyes
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Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
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Posted - 2013.11.10 06:14:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:I believe he was assuming that you guys were saying that when you guys said they could defend an objective single handed.
You can with a thale when a map decides to idiotically place an objective in plain-sight of the redline.... Hell, I've done that with a Proto-Rail which is hilarious.
Not all maps can support this though, and a good sniper knows when to abandon his position and take up a new one or switch to a different role..
Besides, how am I supposed to take the OP seriously when he mentions a Thale user who went 55/2 and going "of course his side lost." I'll take any jackass who uses anything who can score 55 kills as that means if my team is worth ANYTHING then we are pretty much guaranteed to clone the enemy team. If that guy's team lost then he had absolute garbage worthless teammates.
OP hates snipers, there you go, no more no less. Not much to talk about there. *shrugs*
I've met an equal amount of people using any and all weapons or tactics who cause their teems to lose, you can't help a bad player or a stubborn player who always uses Tactic X on EVERY map in EVERY situation, sniping or no sniping.
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LUGMOS
YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE
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Posted - 2013.11.10 06:17:00 -
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Probably. Scouts are pretty good Point Defense. They can be quite a distance away, run in when someone's hacking, and go in for the Nova Knife kill.
The biggest threat to my scout is everything.
My scout is the biggest threat to everything.
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LUGMOS
YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE
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Posted - 2013.11.10 06:19:00 -
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Oh yes, I know you can be a useful sniper. Especially on Manus Peak.
The biggest threat to my scout is everything.
My scout is the biggest threat to everything.
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VAHZZ
The dyst0pian Corporation
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Posted - 2013.11.10 06:27:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:I believe he was assuming that you guys were saying that when you guys said they could defend an objective single handed.
It takes skill, i did that just a minute ago, headshotted two people trying to defend their point and allowing my team to seize it. If it is a swarm of red dots i doubt i could do that, maybe take out a couple but that's it - but it is possible.
In this war, a danger there is, of losing who we are.
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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8213 wrote:I was playing around tonight and noticed two things that sort of tie into one another.
Since CCP's new Executive Producer wanted to "turn up the action", I noticed something in Ambush OMS games and it ties to an earlier thought I had about redline sniping.
First things first: Redline Snipers.
You know when you play basketball, and if you shoot the ball and goes into the basket, but your foot stepped out of bounds, the shot doesn't count? Why would a sniper be allowed to sit out of bounds and still get rewarded with doing damage?
Now, I'm not venting about it. In fact, snipers are MEANINGLESS in this game. They don't contribute, even in Ambush game modes. Snipers can b*tch all they want about that, but face facts; snipers make no impact on games other than being nuisances. If I get killed by one, I really don't care, because its only one death and it won't happen again.
These maps are plenty big enough where the sniper can still have major distance without being out of bounds in the red zone.
[u][b].
That pretty much tells me you haven't worked with a quality sniper. Our snipers make huge impacts on matches...providing a steady flow of information on enemy positions and movement, locating and eliminating other snipers, and prioritizing kills on double chevrons.
I absolutely agree that going 20/0 killing a bunch of random enemy's has only minimal impact on a match. The information a sniper provides is often more useful than any kill. Taking out prioritized targets has an impact far greater than random shots on unsuspecting random clones.
Saying snipers are meaningless is far too much of an overstatement.
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calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.11.10 07:15:00 -
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Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:I beg to differ... Snipers are not meaningless in this game
When I snipe, my team notices my impact.
Due to my Thale, we have one of our objectives permanently safe, that tower-camping swarmer/forger terrorizing our derpships/infantry is dead, and enemy AV infantry get shot to pieces allowing my team's HAV to run rampant in half of the map.
Sounds like you just hate crappy snipers... But bad snipers are no different then the useless AR nutters who die 17 times score 150 warpoints.
I agree when I am in the top 5 on my team when I run sniper. I can pin a team to one side of the board if I am on the right side of the board. Ask any sniper and they will tell you, there is one good side to be a sniper and one bad side to all boards. If everyone keeps B****** about snipers I say we go on strike and let the FG tower snipers pay them a visit
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Talryn Vilneram
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.11.10 15:41:00 -
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8213 wrote:
An asset, yes. A lynch pin, don't fool yourself. I'm positive your squad can win matches without you, and without you sniping just the same...
But i like how you talked about sniping from the redline... which is what this thread was 1/2 about. So, do you think its fair that you get to sit out of bounds but still collect? What other game on planet earth allows you to score from out of bounds?
Why shouldn't I? I can't run behind the redline for more then 20 seconds without dying and anyone from the other team can come up to the redline and kill me. If you are talking about the redline area where the other team CAN'T go then yes they should be able to because in most maps you don't get a great area to shoot and you are being a waste to your team.
A good sniper covers the entire map. I will make my way around to the OTHER teams redline area and flank them from there. Many times I can spot their snipers and get right behind them and head shot them. |
Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
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As a former sniper I highly disagree there may be tons of ****** snipers out there.... But nothing in this game has made me rage more than a good sniper locking down half a map.
"The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
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MassiveNine
0uter.Heaven
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2013.11.10 17:01:00 -
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The real kicker is the amount of people redline sniping with a thale recently. Every single match there is at least one thale. Kinda annoying but packing 1300+ hp it just makes him a fly.
EDIT: BTW 8213 that was a fun match last night, hope to see you again soon ;]
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Liquid Fox88
TeamPlayers
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Posted - 2013.11.10 18:02:00 -
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Being a sniper, I'd say that all snipers using anything other than a thales is useless. Sure, with a charged, you'll be able to take out most weak pub reddots. However, when it comes to a full proto'd squad on the other side, no sniper rifle but the thales will be of any real help because it is simply too inefficient to use anything else. Also, of course you'll have those times when you need a sniper to take out AV or counter snipe, but that shouldn't really be a full-time job because AV isn't in at every moment of every game. Most snipers are non-factors and to counter them is more of a fleeting thought to most people.
Full-time snipers are even more useless on maps that have a supply depot, due to the fact that anyone can switch to a sniper at anytime in the match. Even in matches without supply depots, one can simply spawn into a sniper fit, take out who needs to be taken out and then switch back.
Also lets not forget about active scanners. Any snipers who say that they are important for relaying info to their team haven't realized how useless they are. A logi with an active scanner is worth their weight in Aurum.
They have their time and place, and on the battlefield it is important to be flexible.
As a closing thought, it comes down to effectiveness of the individual and how conducive they are to winning. Thus I find most people useless, including myself at times. If a specific role isn't being fulfilled at the right time, then don't expect to win against a team that is playing counter to your play style. |
Liquid Fox88
TeamPlayers
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Posted - 2013.11.10 18:11:00 -
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double post |
Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
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Just another "I am a vanilla manly man" assault. Move along.
Lol at the notion that snipers are the ones chest thumping. Practical speech from snipers every time. I've seen too much bad assaulting to warrant any criticisms against snipers being the weak link in the chain.
Maps need to be bigger, not smaller. Ambush is not the type of situation where you'd snipe anyway. Think about it in terms of present combat situations rather than just wanting to use a certain game mechanic. There are more appropriate methods to use depending on the map, game mode and specific situation of that particular match.
If the pen is mightier than the sword, in a duel I'll let you have the pen!
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ShinyJay
RETR0 PR0 GAMERS
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Posted - 2013.11.10 18:47:00 -
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Liquid Fox88 wrote:Being a sniper, I'd say that all snipers using anything other than a thales is useless. Sure, with a charged, you'll be able to take out most weak pub reddots. However, when it comes to a full proto'd squad on the other side, no sniper rifle but the thales will be of any real help because it is simply too inefficient to use anything else. Also, of course you'll have those times when you need a sniper to take out AV or counter snipe, but that shouldn't really be a full-time job because AV isn't in at every moment of every game. Most snipers are non-factors and to counter them is more of a fleeting thought to most people.
Full-time snipers are even more useless on maps that have a supply depot, due to the fact that anyone can switch to a sniper at anytime in the match. Even in matches without supply depots, one can simply spawn into a sniper fit, take out who needs to be taken out and then switch back.
Also lets not forget about active scanners. Any snipers who say that they are important for relaying info to their team haven't realized how useless they are. A logi with an active scanner is worth their weight in Aurum.
They have their time and place, and on the battlefield it is important to be flexible.
As a closing thought, it comes down to effectiveness of the individual and how conducive they are to winning. Thus I find most people useless, including myself at times. If a specific role isn't being fulfilled at the right time, then don't expect to win against a team that is playing counter to your play style.
the only reason other sniper rifles then the thales are useless is because of how much armor and shields people put on their suits. since most people have about 800 eHP suit, and the most damage a sniper can do (except the charge and thales) is about 300 damage if using damage mods and prof 5, maybe a little more. i don't think CCP looked at how armor/shield tanking to that extent would affect some guns. and with buffing the plates and heavies HP, it made snipers more useless on the battlefield
The bunneh minnie scout sniper, hopping along and leaving blood trails
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Lamar Wheeler
D3LTA FORC3
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Posted - 2013.11.10 18:51:00 -
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The team with 5 or more snipers will always lose |
Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.11.10 18:55:00 -
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Something has to be done about Redline Snipers. They are in the camping on objective A in the redline, risking nothing. Either decrease Sniper range or tighten the map so that they are vulnerable even in the redline. |
Lamar Wheeler
D3LTA FORC3
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Posted - 2013.11.10 19:00:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:Something has to be done about Redline Snipers. They are in the camping on objective A in the redline, risking nothing. Either decrease Sniper range or tighten the map so that they are vulnerable even in the redline.
Park an LAV in front os their line of sight duck an hack. works every time. |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.11.10 19:29:00 -
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Lamar Wheeler wrote:The team with 5 or more snipers will always lose
I see D3LTA is still hating on snipers huh?
I've been in squads with nothing but snipers and we clone them on a regular basis.
There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry
You'll still be useful in my eyes
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Doshneil Antaro
Dem Durrty Boyz
Public Disorder.
148
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Posted - 2013.11.10 19:47:00 -
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The problem with sniper's and the red line is poor map design. Any flaw in a game, will be exploited by players. Some of the biggest issues in this game is how people use these, and ccp's lack of response to them. I have made a post that I believe both sides of this argument could agree with. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=120559&find=unread
This however only would fix future map development, nothing about current ones. To fix current maps, the red zone need to be removed from any viable sniper location, leaving the red line for safe spawning only as intended. Red zone then would have to use smart sockets only, many buildings and cover that keeps players safe when redlined, as those old high spots would be great for the enemy to spawn kill from. |
deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
124
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Posted - 2013.11.10 20:00:00 -
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Ambush is most kills win so snipers benefit a team cosidering they usually give the other team few kill whil getting a good amount
I would always prefer my teamates to have 5-1 rather than 35-40
Christ is lord
Sanguine knights , open recruitment, join now.
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Foo Fighting
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.11.10 20:54:00 -
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If, as some say, snipers are meaningless and irrelevant, we should petition for a buff to snipers....
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8213
Grade No.2
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Posted - 2013.11.10 21:05:00 -
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Foo Fighting wrote:If, as some say, snipers are meaningless and irrelevant, we should petition for a buff to snipers....
Truth be told, if they eliminated the redline ability, I am all for buffing Snipers. Maybe then, they'd be more of a threat and taken more seriously by the other team. Unless its a Thale's to the head, A sniper can't really OHK me if I'm running my typical fit.
Snipers usually are on the receiving end of +25. They will have 2-3x as many assists as kills, and the kills they do get are just finishing off what their teammate had started...
Nobody with any form of experience in this game fears snipers... Sure, I'll drop on Orbital on them, but that's just because its a big time saver than flanking for 2km to just Charge my SCR into the back of there head. |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.11.10 21:15:00 -
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8213 wrote:Foo Fighting wrote:If, as some say, snipers are meaningless and irrelevant, we should petition for a buff to snipers.... Truth be told, if they eliminated the redline ability, I am all for buffing Snipers. Maybe then, they'd be more of a threat and taken more seriously by the other team. Unless its a Thale's to the head, A sniper can't really OHK me if I'm running my typical fit. Snipers usually are on the receiving end of +25. They will have 2-3x as many assists as kills, and the kills they do get are just finishing off what their teammate had started... Nobody with any form of experience in this game fears snipers... Sure, I'll drop on Orbital on them, but that's just because its a big time saver than flanking for 2km to just Charge my SCR into the back of there head.
1.) Most people don't redline snipe, so I wouldn't care.
2.) Most of my kills are generated from 2HKs with a Kaalakioita, or an OHKO from my Charge sniper rifle. I don't rely on finishing what people started to generate kills. You aren't even a PRO sniper so I don't see why you think you can make a generalized statement about them.
3.) I'm glad they don't fear snipers. That way they won't be keeping their eyes peeled for me when I introduce a charge shot to their face.
4.) Drop an Orbital on me. I don't care. You just wasted 2500 WP and I could easily continue sniping as well as snipe the idiots watching the last spot. And the 70k it takes to restock my suit is nothing when I average 250-300k per match.
There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry
You'll still be useful in my eyes
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Sclompton Face-Smasher
Savage Arms INC
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Posted - 2013.11.10 21:19:00 -
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All I have to say is that snipers Need a good vantage point or atleast a good spot that uses their range to the fullest and to say tighter maps can help (the frontliners, logi assaults, and heavys if they don't die from all the frontliners ars or SR's) the snipers or makes this game completely null aand void to snipers making it another COD just without snipers.
I mean seriously snipers can't aren't really effective in medium range ( but some are bad***) if someone is easily swarmed because grunts go off and die and their the ones that's considered tanks in the game (not even heavys  ) added to the fact that medium range is where the people using the ar, sr, and subs can destroy the sniper almost easily because it still takes 2-3 shots to kill one person (not even going to talk thales because we all understand and even that takes 2 shots on even protos) so it would make the class to be less fundemental to the cause of making dust better.
So I say is make the map bigger so the assault/logi assaults can stfu and us snipers can go about our day. So til the AR and SR dmg against heavy suits gets fixed you will not see me being pure CQC at all.I do run scout with a shotty and try to hold objectives at the beginning of match that I find hard to maneuver around so instead of dying 20 times over for the sake (can't spell and don't know why right now) of winning a game that you're supposed to be playing for fun...
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A'Real Fury
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
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Ignoring the whole sniper debate I will say this about the redline. If you can not shoot and kill from inside the redline then the moment a team has been redlined they will leave the battle as you can no longer gain any more WP and generally speaking once it has happened you are unlikely to get out of your redline and turn the game around.
What would your feeling be if a battle ends after a minute or two, after being redlined, when half or more of the red team quits the match and any new players entering see what is happening and leave as well.
Turn about would also be fair. If you can not kill from inside your redline then you can not be killed either I.e. if you stand one inch inside your redline you are impervious to all harm i.e. no charging into the enemy redline and shooting them or sniping people in their redline. This at least would give your team an opportunity to organise a breakout or a safe zone to decide whether to quit the battle. |
8213
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Posted - 2013.11.10 21:35:00 -
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Atiim wrote:8213 wrote:Foo Fighting wrote:If, as some say, snipers are meaningless and irrelevant, we should petition for a buff to snipers.... Truth be told, if they eliminated the redline ability, I am all for buffing Snipers. Maybe then, they'd be more of a threat and taken more seriously by the other team. Unless its a Thale's to the head, A sniper can't really OHK me if I'm running my typical fit. Snipers usually are on the receiving end of +25. They will have 2-3x as many assists as kills, and the kills they do get are just finishing off what their teammate had started... Nobody with any form of experience in this game fears snipers... Sure, I'll drop on Orbital on them, but that's just because its a big time saver than flanking for 2km to just Charge my SCR into the back of there head. 1.) Most people don't redline snipe, so I wouldn't care. 2.) Most of my kills are generated from 2HKs with a Kaalakioita, or an OHKO from my Charge sniper rifle. I don't rely on finishing what people started to generate kills. You aren't even a PRO sniper so I don't see why you think you can make a generalized statement about them. 3.) I'm glad they don't fear snipers. That way they won't be keeping their eyes peeled for me when I introduce a charge shot to their face. 4.) Drop an Orbital on me. I don't care. You just wasted 2500 WP and I could easily continue sniping as well as snipe the idiots watching the last spot. And the 70k it takes to restock my suit is nothing when I average 250-300k per match.
blah, blah blah... nobody buys you fictionalization of recounts of what you wish would happen in games. Ever wonder why snipers make highlight reels instead of posting full games on YouTube for example? You say that you're squad clones other teams while sniping? Show me a game where a squad of 6 snipers got 25 kills each, or even a collective of 100...
Just because you had a decent game once, doesn't mean it happens the majority of the time (or 1.10th of the time).
So, tell me about a time where you WEREN'T playing starter fit noobs, or tell me about a time you were doing all this heroic stuff in P/C.... I'll wait for you right here.
My squad can Orbys fer days, dropping one on you is more of a troll than anything. You having a fly buzzing around your head, you swat it; kill it for being annoying. we know we didn't accomplish anything by dropping it on you, we just wanted to laugh. Because our team is actually doing work and getting Orbys, while you think you're being some make believe Black-Ops Navy Commando and not earning your team any WP or decent amount of kills. |
VAHZZ
The dyst0pian Corporation
107
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Posted - 2013.11.10 21:49:00 -
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8213 wrote:Atiim wrote:8213 wrote:Foo Fighting wrote:If, as some say, snipers are meaningless and irrelevant, we should petition for a buff to snipers.... Truth be told, if they eliminated the redline ability, I am all for buffing Snipers. Maybe then, they'd be more of a threat and taken more seriously by the other team. Unless its a Thale's to the head, A sniper can't really OHK me if I'm running my typical fit. Snipers usually are on the receiving end of +25. They will have 2-3x as many assists as kills, and the kills they do get are just finishing off what their teammate had started... Nobody with any form of experience in this game fears snipers... Sure, I'll drop on Orbital on them, but that's just because its a big time saver than flanking for 2km to just Charge my SCR into the back of there head. 1.) Most people don't redline snipe, so I wouldn't care. 2.) Most of my kills are generated from 2HKs with a Kaalakioita, or an OHKO from my Charge sniper rifle. I don't rely on finishing what people started to generate kills. You aren't even a PRO sniper so I don't see why you think you can make a generalized statement about them. 3.) I'm glad they don't fear snipers. That way they won't be keeping their eyes peeled for me when I introduce a charge shot to their face. 4.) Drop an Orbital on me. I don't care. You just wasted 2500 WP and I could easily continue sniping as well as snipe the idiots watching the last spot. And the 70k it takes to restock my suit is nothing when I average 250-300k per match. blah, blah blah... nobody buys you fictionalization of recounts of what you wish would happen in games. Ever wonder why snipers make highlight reels instead of posting full games on YouTube for example? You say that you're squad clones other teams while sniping? Show me a game where a squad of 6 snipers got 25 kills each, or even a collective of 100... Just because you had a decent game once, doesn't mean it happens the majority of the time (or 1.10th of the time). So, tell me about a time where you WEREN'T playing starter fit noobs, or tell me about a time you were doing all this heroic stuff in P/C.... I'll wait for you right here. My squad can Orbys fer days, dropping one on you is more of a troll than anything. You having a fly buzzing around your head, you swat it; kill it for being annoying. we know we didn't accomplish anything by dropping it on you, we just wanted to laugh. Because our team is actually doing work and getting Orbys, while you think you're being some make believe Black-Ops Navy Commando and not earning your team any WP or decent amount of kills.
You are hard headed and stubborn and i can not take what you say seriously, anymore. I have stated truths and all you do is dismiss them with crazy backwards logic. If i see you on the battlefield...you better believe i will spend the whole match...stalking you and annoying you..all the while helping my team.
In this war, a danger there is, of losing who we are.
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Seeker of knowledge and truth.
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8213
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Posted - 2013.11.10 21:57:00 -
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VAHZZ wrote:8213 wrote:Atiim wrote:8213 wrote:Foo Fighting wrote:If, as some say, snipers are meaningless and irrelevant, we should petition for a buff to snipers.... Truth be told, if they eliminated the redline ability, I am all for buffing Snipers. Maybe then, they'd be more of a threat and taken more seriously by the other team. Unless its a Thale's to the head, A sniper can't really OHK me if I'm running my typical fit. Snipers usually are on the receiving end of +25. They will have 2-3x as many assists as kills, and the kills they do get are just finishing off what their teammate had started... Nobody with any form of experience in this game fears snipers... Sure, I'll drop on Orbital on them, but that's just because its a big time saver than flanking for 2km to just Charge my SCR into the back of there head. 1.) Most people don't redline snipe, so I wouldn't care. 2.) Most of my kills are generated from 2HKs with a Kaalakioita, or an OHKO from my Charge sniper rifle. I don't rely on finishing what people started to generate kills. You aren't even a PRO sniper so I don't see why you think you can make a generalized statement about them. 3.) I'm glad they don't fear snipers. That way they won't be keeping their eyes peeled for me when I introduce a charge shot to their face. 4.) Drop an Orbital on me. I don't care. You just wasted 2500 WP and I could easily continue sniping as well as snipe the idiots watching the last spot. And the 70k it takes to restock my suit is nothing when I average 250-300k per match. blah, blah blah... nobody buys you fictionalization of recounts of what you wish would happen in games. Ever wonder why snipers make highlight reels instead of posting full games on YouTube for example? You say that you're squad clones other teams while sniping? Show me a game where a squad of 6 snipers got 25 kills each, or even a collective of 100... Just because you had a decent game once, doesn't mean it happens the majority of the time (or 1.10th of the time). So, tell me about a time where you WEREN'T playing starter fit noobs, or tell me about a time you were doing all this heroic stuff in P/C.... I'll wait for you right here. My squad can Orbys fer days, dropping one on you is more of a troll than anything. You having a fly buzzing around your head, you swat it; kill it for being annoying. we know we didn't accomplish anything by dropping it on you, we just wanted to laugh. Because our team is actually doing work and getting Orbys, while you think you're being some make believe Black-Ops Navy Commando and not earning your team any WP or decent amount of kills. You are hard headed and stubborn and i can not take what you say seriously, anymore. I have stated truths and all you do is dismiss them with crazy backwards logic. If i see you on the battlefield...you better believe i will spend the whole match...stalking you and annoying you..all the while helping my team.
Uh huh... I think Mr. Machine Gunz or whatever his name was the guy last month that made the same promise, and I forget who it was every month before that...
When people make it a point to "out-do" in game from what happens on these forums... eventually they stop talking all together. The in-game mails stops, they stop posting on my threads, etc...
Go ahead, and carve out a little spot in your mind for me, because soon enough I forget who they are because they stopped communicating with me after I ***** slapped them in the game.
Although, since 1.6 has given me nothing buy problems, your chance is better now than ever...
Who knows, we might become friends later, after I earned your respect for my in-game performance anyway. I kow I'm outspoken on these forums, but I don't pretend to be the best, but I'm certianly no DUST slouch |
lrian Locust
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.11.10 22:06:00 -
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8213 wrote:Highest Sniper game I have ever seen was 56 kills with a Thale's. That guy got an Orbital dropped on him TWICE (he somehow survived the first one)... But you know what? His team still lost. Perhaps the rest of the team was to blame? If someone singlehandedly kills over 1/3rd of the enemies clones, deprives them of 2 orbitals and probably netted a lot of assisted kills, I'd say he's been quite the asset to the team.
8213 wrote:I can earn more WP with a Swarm Launcher than the best sniper ever could. Keep on dreaming. How many HAV's do you think you can kill in one game?
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8213
Grade No.2
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Posted - 2013.11.10 22:14:00 -
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lrian Locust wrote:8213 wrote:Highest Sniper game I have ever seen was 56 kills with a Thale's. That guy got an Orbital dropped on him TWICE (he somehow survived the first one)... But you know what? His team still lost. Perhaps the rest of the team was to blame? If someone singlehandedly kills over 1/3rd of the enemies clones, deprives them of 2 orbitals and probably netted a lot of assisted kills, I'd say he's been quite the asset to the team. 8213 wrote:I can earn more WP with a Swarm Launcher than the best sniper ever could. Keep on dreaming. How many HAV's do you think you can kill in one game?
A Swarm kills more than just HAVs Jr...
And the Thale's guy, I squadded with him the rest of the day. He was no doubt a good player. But maybe if he was being more of a team player, he would have lent his WP to more orbitals? The thing was, he kept killing the same 4-5 guys in a row/ or hunt Logi Revivers.
You can get all the kills you want in DUST, but if they aren't key players, or kills that result in clone loss... they don't mean anything. |
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lrian Locust
DUST University
Ivy League
282
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Posted - 2013.11.10 22:46:00 -
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8213 wrote:Sitting there and averaging 1 kill per minute isn't really doing anything...
Shows you don't know much about tactical gameplay. It's not about how many enemies you kill, especially in Skirmish and Domination matches. Good snipers also provide intel, lock down areas, kill mercs who are about to hack objectives and countersnipe.
Granted, there's a lot of bad snipers out there. But the same goes for shotties, AR users, etc. Every fit has it's use. In some maps and teams more than others.
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lrian Locust
DUST University
Ivy League
282
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Posted - 2013.11.10 22:50:00 -
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8213 wrote:If one sniper can actually pin down the entire enemy team, EVERY single game they are in, or even half of them... then I'd say Sniping is dangerous. But quite frankly its just a method to raise KD.
So which weapon in your arsenal can pin down an entire team, every other match or so? |
Cash Gash
1 36 Infantry Battalion
1
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Posted - 2013.11.10 23:15:00 -
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In regards to snipers using a tactic where they can sniper from behind the redline you could just use a tactic referred to as "counter sniping". If he can get an angle on you then you can get an angle on him.
As for the usefulness of a sniper, they actually are. A sniper might never win the battle through his own efforts but no one in the group probably did. The sniper covering an advancing allied squad might have an angle to shoot enemies trying to heal behind cover that the allied squad weakened. I see the sniper role as more of a harassing role than anything, also a great role to kill other snipers. If you win a skirmish match through clone depletion (dont tell me it doesnt happen because yes it does) and you had a sniper go 15/0/0 he probably helped out quite a bit, especially if the remaining clones for your team is 15 at the time the enemies reached 0.
Don't knock snipers just because you do not have a tactical mind and are not able to see the usefulness in them. Roles on the battlefield to a commander are like tools to a construction worker. You might not always need a wrench to get the job done but you know when it is needed and how to use it when the time comes. |
lrian Locust
DUST University
Ivy League
283
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Posted - 2013.11.10 23:51:00 -
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8213 wrote:[The day a sniper apparently shuts down the entire enemy team is the day I come on here and take it all back. They day i've died 100x by snipers is the day I take it all back... Let me know when you get a 3000WP while sniping too. So, non-snipers do all this on a regular basis? Just by themselves? And you get 3000WP every match?
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lrian Locust
DUST University
Ivy League
283
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Posted - 2013.11.10 23:59:00 -
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8213 wrote:But everything a Sniper can do, everyone else can do it better, and then some. Countersniping? |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company
General Tso's Alliance
949
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If you think a sniper is useless you have not had the privilage of running with a good sniper.
Grease Spillet happens to be one of those snipers, if he says he will lock down an area he will do it, if you need overwatch while you assault that null cannon he can do it, if you need sniper support against an enemy offensive he can do it.
All while he calls out tactical information and moves regularly to get that sweet angle where he is most useful.
The pen is mightier than the sword
The gun is mightier than both
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
840
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Posted - 2013.11.11 00:27:00 -
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8213 wrote:
blah, blah blah... nobody buys you fictionalization of recounts of what you wish would happen in games. Ever wonder why snipers make highlight reels instead of posting full games on YouTube for example? You say that you're squad clones other teams while sniping? Show me a game where a squad of 6 snipers got 25 kills each, or even a collective of 100...
Just because you had a decent game once, doesn't mean it happens the majority of the time (or 1.10th of the time).
So, tell me about a time where you WEREN'T playing starter fit noobs, or tell me about a time you were doing all this heroic stuff in P/C.... I'll wait for you right here.
My squad can Orbys fer days, dropping one on you is more of a troll than anything. You having a fly buzzing around your head, you swat it; kill it for being annoying. we know we didn't accomplish anything by dropping it on you, we just wanted to laugh. Because our team is actually doing work and getting Orbys, while you think you're being some make believe Black-Ops Navy Commando and not earning your team any WP or decent amount of kills.
1,) I don't have the equipment to record my gameplay, and I don't feel like purchasing it for 1 game and 1 random guy on the internet. And even if I did I sure as heck wouldn't post a video of my gameplay. Then everyone would know the good sniper spots, and I mean the really good sniping spots. The spots that are so good that when you go there and an enemy sniper walks in you decide not to attack eachother. The spots are that good.
2.) It does happen happen every time, but It does happen a lot.
3.) I decided to become a sniper loooong after I decided not to no longer put up with the bull$#!t lag of PC, so I don't have any heroic stories to tell you about in PC. But if you want some FW war stories I will share.
4.) ROFL, you'd actually have to find me before you could drop an OB on them. And with me being skilled into the ammo skill I rarely need to drop a hive. Even with the Kaalokiotia. And what most snipers usually do when they are low on ammo is travel elsewhere, drop a hive and resupply, and sprint back to your original spot. Heck you can even kill the people dumb enough to think that you are by the nanohive.
5.) With around 20 kills and a few kill assists, I make around 1k WP on an average match when sniping, so I think that I make a fair contribution to my team through WP.
I used to be just like you. I was passive aggressive to many roles (Scouts being a big one, also why I started using MDs). But you know what happened? I decided to skill into the role and realized that they are contributions to the team as opposed as to OP thin sheets of paper.
There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry
You'll still be useful in my eyes
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lrian Locust
DUST University
Ivy League
283
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Posted - 2013.11.11 00:30:00 -
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8213 wrote:lrian Locust wrote:[quote=8213]How many HAV's do you think you can kill in one game?
A Swarm kills more than just HAVs Jr... I know, but how many people will still bring out their vehicles when they start dropping like flies? If you say you can get more SP with you swarm launcher than the best sniper out there, I call bullshit. Because you won't find a match with that many vehicles and dropships about.
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8213
Grade No.2
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Posted - 2013.11.11 00:51:00 -
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lrian Locust wrote:8213 wrote:lrian Locust wrote:[quote=8213]How many HAV's do you think you can kill in one game?
A Swarm kills more than just HAVs Jr... I know, but how many people will still bring out their vehicles when they start dropping like flies? If you say you can get more SP with you swarm launcher than the best sniper out there, I call bullshit. Because you won't find a match with that many vehicles and dropships about.
Its called letting the enemies hack the turrets and supply depots, and taking them out along with HAVs and LAVs...
If you're that ignorant about a swarm launcher than I'm assuming you're that narrow minded into thinking Snipers matter in this game... |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
841
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Posted - 2013.11.11 00:58:00 -
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8213 wrote:lrian Locust wrote:8213 wrote:Highest Sniper game I have ever seen was 56 kills with a Thale's. That guy got an Orbital dropped on him TWICE (he somehow survived the first one)... But you know what? His team still lost. Perhaps the rest of the team was to blame? If someone singlehandedly kills over 1/3rd of the enemies clones, deprives them of 2 orbitals and probably netted a lot of assisted kills, I'd say he's been quite the asset to the team. 8213 wrote:I can earn more WP with a Swarm Launcher than the best sniper ever could. Keep on dreaming. How many HAV's do you think you can kill in one game? A Swarm kills more than just HAVs Jr... And the Thale's guy, I squadded with him the rest of the day. He was no doubt a good player. But maybe if he was being more of a team player, he would have lent his WP to more orbitals? The thing was, he kept killing the same 4-5 guys in a row/ or hunt Logi Revivers. You can get all the kills you want in DUST, but if they aren't key players, or kills that result in clone loss... they don't mean anything.
No swarm launchers can only kill vehicles and installations.
I challenge that theory. Squad up with the best sniper in the game, while you run nothing but Swarm Launchers.
We'll see who gets more WP. I'll bet you 30m ISK that it won't be you.
There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry
You'll still be useful in my eyes
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.11.11 01:09:00 -
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8213 wrote:lrian Locust wrote:8213 wrote:lrian Locust wrote:[quote=8213]How many HAV's do you think you can kill in one game?
A Swarm kills more than just HAVs Jr... I know, but how many people will still bring out their vehicles when they start dropping like flies? If you say you can get more SP with you swarm launcher than the best sniper out there, I call bullshit. Because you won't find a match with that many vehicles and dropships about. Its called letting the enemies hack the turrets and supply depots, and taking them out along with HAVs and LAVs... If you're that ignorant about a swarm launcher than I'm assuming you're that narrow minded into thinking Snipers matter in this game...
I know more about swarm launchers than 90% of the people on this forum ever will; you gonna call me ignorant in the ways of swarm launchers?
And running around with a Wirykomi has granted me a total of around 1,500 WP on a good day.
And considering the fact that not every match has 3 tanks and 5 installations belonging to the enemy, I also call "bull$#!t"
There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry
You'll still be useful in my eyes
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Nicholas Tekotch
Imperfect Bastards
24
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Posted - 2013.11.11 01:25:00 -
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8213 wrote:Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:I beg to differ... Snipers are not meaningless in this game
When I snipe, my team notices my impact.
Due to my Thale, we have one of our objectives permanently safe, that tower-camping swarmer/forger terrorizing our derpships/infantry is dead, and enemy AV infantry get shot to pieces allowing my team's HAV to run rampant in half of the map.
Sounds like you just hate crappy snipers... But bad snipers are no different then the useless AR nutters who die 17 times score 150 warpoints. Dude... don't give me the Sniper wishful thinking rant.. I've heard it 1000x... You wish you could single handedly defend an objective. You wish you could pop an enemy's head off just as he's about to kill your teammate, being a hero... you wish you could earn enough kills to balance out the bottom half of your team... you wish all of that BUT YOU CAN'T... I've never seen it, witnessed it, or even heard about... A sniper gets about 1 key shot every game, if they are lucky, that's it. All you do is kill Scouts and Starter Fits, and coutnersnipe the other useless snipers on the other team. DUST 514 Fact: The team with the most snipers, LOSES everytime.
58-0 thale sniping. If you call that useless then you probably suffer from Down syndrome. As for an average game I can easily break 40-0 |
8213
Grade No.2
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Posted - 2013.11.11 01:26:00 -
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Atiim wrote:
I know more about swarm launchers than 90% of the people on this forum ever will; you gonna call me ignorant in the ways of swarm launchers?
And running around with a Wirykomi has granted me a total of around 1,500 WP on a good day.
And considering the fact that not every match has 3 tanks and 5 installations belonging to the enemy, I also call "bull$#!t"
Of course... Does the Tooth Fairy still ay you visits? What did you ask Santa for Christmas this year? Because you are delusional and stretching out the 1% of good snipers plays to cover up for their ineffectiveness.
If you want to pretend and fool yourself into thinking Snipers are anything meaningful in the matches of DUST 514 games, I can't stop you...
If you'll allow me, you can invite me to your channel, and I can join in on a couple games and watch heroism you speak of...
"Don't worry guys, I got the guy hacking A... There I shot him... pay no mind that it was a guy in a Scout Suit... I saved the entire match for us... wait... 5 people are now hacking A... hurry up ground guys, do something, because... oh never mind, they got A" |
8213
Grade No.2
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Posted - 2013.11.11 01:27:00 -
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Nicholas Tekotch wrote:8213 wrote:Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:I beg to differ... Snipers are not meaningless in this game
When I snipe, my team notices my impact.
Due to my Thale, we have one of our objectives permanently safe, that tower-camping swarmer/forger terrorizing our derpships/infantry is dead, and enemy AV infantry get shot to pieces allowing my team's HAV to run rampant in half of the map.
Sounds like you just hate crappy snipers... But bad snipers are no different then the useless AR nutters who die 17 times score 150 warpoints. Dude... don't give me the Sniper wishful thinking rant.. I've heard it 1000x... You wish you could single handedly defend an objective. You wish you could pop an enemy's head off just as he's about to kill your teammate, being a hero... you wish you could earn enough kills to balance out the bottom half of your team... you wish all of that BUT YOU CAN'T... I've never seen it, witnessed it, or even heard about... A sniper gets about 1 key shot every game, if they are lucky, that's it. All you do is kill Scouts and Starter Fits, and coutnersnipe the other useless snipers on the other team. DUST 514 Fact: The team with the most snipers, LOSES everytime. 58-0 thale sniping. If you call that useless then you probably suffer from Down syndrome. As for an average game I can easily break 40-0
By average, you mean while running a full proto squad and picking on starter fit noobs right? GOOD JOB, MAN!
So, you're KDR must be 300-400 something? |
VAHZZ
The dyst0pian Corporation
115
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One..it is your - hate to be the grammer police..but learn the proper usage of your/you're pleeeeease
2, all i am hearing is "I'm going 514...."
The merc with a mouth - beware of random bouts of insanity!
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CCP LogicLoop
C C P
C C P Alliance
1206
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Posted - 2013.11.11 02:28:00 -
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8213 wrote:I was playing around tonight and noticed two things that sort of tie into one another.
Since CCP's new Executive Producer wanted to "turn up the action", I noticed something in Ambush OMS games and it ties to an earlier thought I had about redline sniping.
First things first: Redline Snipers.
You know when you play basketball, and if you shoot the ball and goes into the basket, but your foot stepped out of bounds, the shot doesn't count? Why would a sniper be allowed to sit out of bounds and still get rewarded with doing damage?
Now, I'm not venting about it. In fact, snipers are MEANINGLESS in this game. They don't contribute, even in Ambush game modes. Snipers can b*tch all they want about that, but face facts; snipers make no impact on games other than being nuisances. If I get killed by one, I really don't care, because its only one death and it won't happen again.
These maps are plenty big enough where the sniper can still have major distance without being out of bounds in the red zone.
How this ties into tighter maps: Shrinking games?
In all the Ambush OMS games I played tonight, as I looked over the map before i spawned in I noticed how small the space was. We were playing OMS in standard Ambush spaces, and Turrets even dropped. I am wondering if this is one of CCPs attempts to turn up the action? Because all those Ambush games were over in 5 minutes, just like a standard Ambush game would be, because the time between kill waves is tighter because of the tighter maps.
If this is the case, then smaller maps will hurt snipers in this game and render them to Call of Duty type of playstyles because you can't get enough distance between you and the enemy. But at the same time, I had good Shotgun performances tonight because of the tighter maps. I suppose tighter OMS games wouldn't be a bad thing, as long as the large games stay in the rotation as well.
The OMS maps are designed before the new EP. They have been set up smaller intentionally. Since it is ambush with a variation of having installations fall in at set times, we wanted it to be fast paced, with a bit of chaos and lots of action.
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Nicholas Tekotch
Imperfect Bastards
24
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Posted - 2013.11.11 02:36:00 -
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8213 wrote:Nicholas Tekotch wrote:8213 wrote:Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:I beg to differ... Snipers are not meaningless in this game
When I snipe, my team notices my impact.
Due to my Thale, we have one of our objectives permanently safe, that tower-camping swarmer/forger terrorizing our derpships/infantry is dead, and enemy AV infantry get shot to pieces allowing my team's HAV to run rampant in half of the map.
Sounds like you just hate crappy snipers... But bad snipers are no different then the useless AR nutters who die 17 times score 150 warpoints. Dude... don't give me the Sniper wishful thinking rant.. I've heard it 1000x... You wish you could single handedly defend an objective. You wish you could pop an enemy's head off just as he's about to kill your teammate, being a hero... you wish you could earn enough kills to balance out the bottom half of your team... you wish all of that BUT YOU CAN'T... I've never seen it, witnessed it, or even heard about... A sniper gets about 1 key shot every game, if they are lucky, that's it. All you do is kill Scouts and Starter Fits, and coutnersnipe the other useless snipers on the other team. DUST 514 Fact: The team with the most snipers, LOSES everytime. 58-0 thale sniping. If you call that useless then you probably suffer from Down syndrome. As for an average game I can easily break 40-0 By average, you mean while running a full proto squad and picking on starter fit noobs right? GOOD JOB, MAN! So, you're KDR must be 300-400 something?
My KDR is only 4.16 and I'm normally run assault :p
But I have no problem slaughtering proto squads with my thale easy peasy lemon squesy (x and should I ever see you in a pub match I will show you how easy it is(: |
LUGMOS
YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE
60
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Posted - 2013.11.11 03:38:00 -
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Now here is the thing... Nobody can solo a squad of five guys hacking an objective.
Oh wait... I almost did once, only got four though... With one RE.
Nevertheless, a sniper rifle can be dangerous in the right hands and right condition.
Same goes with any other weapon, except the AR, good in most situations in anyone's hands.
The biggest threat to my scout is everything.
My scout is the biggest threat to everything.
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LUGMOS
YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE
60
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Posted - 2013.11.11 03:41:00 -
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Played a game with the OP yesterday.
There were a few tanks, and many infantry, and my Commando SL/AR fit was trolololing.
His favorite fit was a CRW scram and Amarr assault. He wasn't too shabby with it.
Might make good sniper material someday lol.
The biggest threat to my scout is everything.
My scout is the biggest threat to everything.
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Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
573
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Posted - 2013.11.11 04:04:00 -
[80] - Quote
8213 wrote:I was playing around tonight and noticed two things that sort of tie into one another.
Since CCP's new Executive Producer wanted to "turn up the action", I noticed something in Ambush OMS games and it ties to an earlier thought I had about redline sniping.
First things first: Redline Snipers.
You know when you play basketball, and if you shoot the ball and goes into the basket, but your foot stepped out of bounds, the shot doesn't count? Why would a sniper be allowed to sit out of bounds and still get rewarded with doing damage?
Now, I'm not venting about it. In fact, snipers are MEANINGLESS in this game. They don't contribute, even in Ambush game modes. Snipers can b*tch all they want about that, but face facts; snipers make no impact on games other than being nuisances. If I get killed by one, I really don't care, because its only one death and it won't happen again.
These maps are plenty big enough where the sniper can still have major distance without being out of bounds in the red zone.
How this ties into tighter maps: Shrinking games?
In all the Ambush OMS games I played tonight, as I looked over the map before i spawned in I noticed how small the space was. We were playing OMS in standard Ambush spaces, and Turrets even dropped. I am wondering if this is one of CCPs attempts to turn up the action? Because all those Ambush games were over in 5 minutes, just like a standard Ambush game would be, because the time between kill waves is tighter because of the tighter maps.
If this is the case, then smaller maps will hurt snipers in this game and render them to Call of Duty type of playstyles because you can't get enough distance between you and the enemy. But at the same time, I had good Shotgun performances tonight because of the tighter maps. I suppose tighter OMS games wouldn't be a bad thing, as long as the large games stay in the rotation as well.
lol wait till huge maps start coming out. People like are going to be filling tear jars like its no ones business. |
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8213
Grade No.2
637
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Posted - 2013.11.11 05:10:00 -
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Nicholas Tekotch wrote:
58-0 thale sniping. If you call that useless then you probably suffer from Down syndrome. As for an average game I can easily break 40-0
By average, you mean while running a full proto squad and picking on starter fit noobs right? GOOD JOB, MAN!
So, you're KDR must be 300-400 something?[/quote]
My KDR is only 4.16 and I'm normally run assault :p
But I have no problem slaughtering proto squads with my thale easy peasy lemon squesy (x and should I ever see you in a pub match I will show you how easy it is(:[/quote]
And there it is... the classic "if I ever see you in game..." comment.
I would say a million ISK to anyone who can kill me twice in once match with an SR, but I actually remembered it already happen once.
Some guy name docholiday1... I'll admit, after I died the second time, I took a 3 minute jog into the mountains just to put a SCR round into the back of his head. How dare he annoy me like that .
Pro tip for you snipers out there, the person hunting you is listening for your shots. every time you shoot, you scream "OVER HERE!" unless of course you're doing it from the redline... then you're just being silly |
VAHZZ
The dyst0pian Corporation
124
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Posted - 2013.11.11 05:18:00 -
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8213 wrote:And there it is... the classic " if I ever see you in game..." comment. I would say a million ISK to anyone who can kill me twice in once match with an SR, but I actually remembered it already happen once. Some guy name docholiday1... I'll admit, after I died the second time, I took a 3 minute jog into the mountains just to put a SCR round into the back of his head. How dare he annoy me like that .
I really like this part, it actually made me laugh. Those jogs are fun ain't they? work muscles into those legs. FEEL THE BURN!...of a scr to the back..sounds painful. but as they say. NO PAIN!~NO GAIN!
what really made me laugh was the "How dare he annoy me like that" part..the face didn't help either, hilarious..props to you, even if you are so stubborn - you made me laugh. I like you a little more..but i still snipe you. SNIPE SNIPE! pew pew.
The merc with a mouth - beware of random bouts of insanity!
i should make an Everything Nixon Corp
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Poonmunch
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
535
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Posted - 2013.11.11 05:24:00 -
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I snipe, therefore I am.
Munch
What if the hokey pokey really is what it's all about?
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Poonmunch
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
538
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Posted - 2013.11.11 05:29:00 -
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8213 wrote:Snipers don't contribute anything to the game, that's a simple fact.
'Scuse me while I get my pencil.
8 GǪ 2 GǪ 1 GǪ 3
Ok, I'm good now.
Munch
What if the hokey pokey really is what it's all about?
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8213
Grade No.2
637
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Posted - 2013.11.11 05:32:00 -
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Poonmunch wrote:8213 wrote:Snipers don't contribute anything to the game, that's a simple fact. 'Scuse me while I get my pencil. 8 GǪ 2 GǪ 1 GǪ 3 Ok, I'm good now. Munch
If I had to change things, i'd pick a new name, because people remember that one to easily... |
Poonmunch
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
539
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Posted - 2013.11.11 05:41:00 -
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8213 wrote:Poonmunch wrote:8213 wrote:Snipers don't contribute anything to the game, that's a simple fact. 'Scuse me while I get my pencil. 8 GǪ 2 GǪ 1 GǪ 3 Ok, I'm good now. Munch If I had to change things, i'd pick a new name, because people remember that one to easily...
You're a good sport. (This isn't a troll).
Munch
What if the hokey pokey really is what it's all about?
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Snod Narb
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
9
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Posted - 2013.11.11 06:14:00 -
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8213 wrote:I was playing around tonight and noticed two things that sort of tie into one another.
Since CCP's new Executive Producer wanted to "turn up the action", I noticed something in Ambush OMS games and it ties to an earlier thought I had about redline sniping.
First things first: Redline Snipers.
You know when you play basketball, and if you shoot the ball and goes into the basket, but your foot stepped out of bounds, the shot doesn't count? Why would a sniper be allowed to sit out of bounds and still get rewarded with doing damage?
Now, I'm not venting about it. In fact, snipers are MEANINGLESS in this game. They don't contribute, even in Ambush game modes. Snipers can b*tch all they want about that, but face facts; snipers make no impact on games other than being nuisances. If I get killed by one, I really don't care, because its only one death and it won't happen again.
These maps are plenty big enough where the sniper can still have major distance without being out of bounds in the red zone.
How this ties into tighter maps: Shrinking games?
In all the Ambush OMS games I played tonight, as I looked over the map before i spawned in I noticed how small the space was. We were playing OMS in standard Ambush spaces, and Turrets even dropped. I am wondering if this is one of CCPs attempts to turn up the action? Because all those Ambush games were over in 5 minutes, just like a standard Ambush game would be, because the time between kill waves is tighter because of the tighter maps.
If this is the case, then smaller maps will hurt snipers in this game and render them to Call of Duty type of playstyles because you can't get enough distance between you and the enemy. But at the same time, I had good Shotgun performances tonight because of the tighter maps. I suppose tighter OMS games wouldn't be a bad thing, as long as the large games stay in the rotation as well.
correct me if im wrong....but i thought the red line for both teams on ambush was the red line...for ....both....teams........so wheres the red line sniping? oh, you mean regular sniping where they get the distance from you to snipe you instead of being up close where you can no-aim-no-skill shoot them with your no-aim-no-skill shotgun.
8213 wrote:Atiim wrote:
I know more about swarm launchers than 90% of the people on this forum ever will; you gonna call me ignorant in the ways of swarm launchers?
And running around with a Wirykomi has granted me a total of around 1,500 WP on a good day.
And considering the fact that not every match has 3 tanks and 5 installations belonging to the enemy, I also call "bull$#!t"
Of course... Does the Tooth Fairy still ay you visits? What did you ask Santa for Christmas this year? Because you are delusional and stretching out the 1% of good snipers plays to cover up for their ineffectiveness. If you want to pretend and fool yourself into thinking Snipers are anything meaningful in the matches of DUST 514 games, I can't stop you... If you'll allow me, you can invite me to your channel, and I can join in on a couple games and watch heroism you speak of... "Don't worry guys, I got the guy hacking A... There I shot him... pay no mind that it was a guy in a Scout Suit... I saved the entire match for us... wait... 5 people are now hacking A... hurry up ground guys, do something, because... oh never mind, they got A"
its been said dozens of times, dust is TEAM based. a sniper watching an objective is there to give everyone else time to hack the other objectives. if a squad just went to one objective that means there are 6 less people on the other objectives for the snipers team to take. also, the guy sniping is getting more than that one scout, maybe 3 more kills out of this scenario, (or he's a bad sniper) which makes it easier for his team to take back the objective.
in domination, its the TEAMS fault for not noticing the squad that made it to the objective, and in most cases will turn around and deal with it themselves. and if the snipers team is waiting to spawn back in, what do you think one person (even with a proto suit with duval and 4 or more complex dam mods with armor and shield mods and armor rep hives) can do against the 5 others (most likely more) with no help from a sniper (because the sniper that would be there is this person with a proto suit with a duval and 4 or more complex dam mods with armor and shield mods and armor rep hives) assuming that the squad (or more) are not dumb and are expecting the one player in a proto suit with a duval and 4 or more complex dam mods with armor and shield mods and armor rep hives before they start hacking the objective.
quit complaining that this game isnt call of duty. |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company
General Tso's Alliance
954
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Posted - 2013.11.11 06:47:00 -
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8213 wrote:Nicholas Tekotch wrote:
58-0 thale sniping. If you call that useless then you probably suffer from Down syndrome. As for an average game I can easily break 40-0
By average, you mean while running a full proto squad and picking on starter fit noobs right? GOOD JOB, MAN! So, you're KDR must be 300-400 something?
My KDR is only 4.16 and I'm normally run assault :p
But I have no problem slaughtering proto squads with my thale easy peasy lemon squesy (x and should I ever see you in a pub match I will show you how easy it is(:[/quote]
And there it is... the classic "if I ever see you in game..." comment.
I would say a million ISK to anyone who can kill me twice in once match with an SR, but I actually remembered it already happen once.
Some guy name docholiday1... I'll admit, after I died the second time, I took a 3 minute jog into the mountains just to put a SCR round into the back of his head. How dare he annoy me like that .
Pro tip for you snipers out there, the person hunting you is listening for your shots. every time you shoot, you scream "OVER HERE!" unless of course you're doing it from the redline... then you're just being silly[/quote]
Dude you got sniped by docholiday?
And you still don't see the point snipers, the guy has literally held an objective from 10 people, it took them 5 mins to try using a vehicle, which whdn he clocked it, called in his squad to give a hand.
If you are expecting a sniper to contribute to the cause the same way an assault does, go play something else. I mean come have you never had a Sniper Guardian Angel?
The pen is mightier than the sword
The gun is mightier than both
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ugg reset
Molon Labe PC
RISE of LEGION
407
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Posted - 2013.11.11 06:56:00 -
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Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:I beg to differ... Snipers are not meaningless in this game
When I snipe, my team notices my impact.
Due to my Thale, we have one of our objectives permanently safe, that tower-camping swarmer/forger terrorizing our derpships/infantry is dead, and enemy AV infantry get shot to pieces allowing my team's HAV to run rampant in half of the map.
Sounds like you just hate crappy snipers... But bad snipers are no different then the useless AR nutters who die 17 times score 150 warpoints.
oh the isk I've lost killing people like you. though the feeling of doing so is priceless 
I completely agree that snipers are not meaningless. they're the perfect counter to those pesky laser rifles and soonGäó to be rail rifles.
"sniperGäó apply directly to the forehead"
"#sandcastles" in game chat
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Niuvo
NECROM0NGERS
738
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Posted - 2013.11.11 07:03:00 -
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Sure snipers can be as far back as they want, but allow ppl to enter their space. That way we don't get frustrated reading the "unsafe for ground unit" and now a player can't get to him. All this while he racks up kills. He's basically not playing to us because we can't reach him.
Both teams should have the same redline, If you notice, to me I'm not in a redzone, but from your POV I am! |
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Niuvo
NECROM0NGERS
738
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Posted - 2013.11.11 07:07:00 -
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One more thing, being a Sniper is cruel. Especially that charge, man . You don't know where that shot came from. good. |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
852
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Posted - 2013.11.11 07:23:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:Played a game with the OP yesterday.
There were a few tanks, and many infantry, and my Commando SL/AR fit was trolololing.
His favorite fit was a CRW scram and Amarr assault. He wasn't too shabby with it.
Might make good sniper material someday lol.
I played a game against the OP a few minutes ago.
Dat lag was so horrible that my bullets wouldn't even render.
There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry
You'll still be useful in my eyes
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Mr CreepyPasta
DUST University
Ivy League
5
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Posted - 2013.11.11 08:14:00 -
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I'm pretty sure being a well fit scout sniper using proto/complex gear all round i can easily single handily defend an objective while staying out of the red line and getting my fair share of objective hacks/counter hacks. Saying snipers are useless based off what you've experienced is just something you should not do. Seriously Skill into a sniper and you could make a highly relied on asset on MOST maps although I admit there are some maps where snipers are just rubbish and I've had my fair share of God awful matches but the greater majority of maps have excellent perches if you have the eye for them and I've had many a good battles won Also not only are snipers excellent at relaying Intel they are great in terms of suppression say your team is pushed back to a single null cannon or position and the red berries are pushing hard , get a good sniper (doesn't have to be pro) with an adv or proto sniper in a good flank position and he can easily provide a route and lessen/thin out red berry numbers while having the red berries searching for him.
You say a singe sniper can't push back the entire enemy which is true but is there any weapon in DUST514 that can? Get a pack of great snipers in one match though and they can crush the enemy(proto or not) no sweat. (Has been done)
I'd rather have a bunch of snipers who can keep their clones while decreasing the enemy then a bunch or run and gun AR guys who **** away the clone count.
Skill into a snipers, (no dont get a completely ass wipe sniper i mean seriously skill into them) you'll see their usefulness |
Racro 01 Arifistan
501st Knights of Leanbox
68
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Posted - 2013.11.11 08:25:00 -
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if i see you in any of my games instead of killing you with a tank i will spawn my ishukone sniper with 3 complex mods and make sure you are the only person i kill.
then we will see how usless snipers are.
if snipers were usless they wouldnt be saving my HAV's from forge gunners/swarmers on buildings.
when i snipe i can get 19/0 if iam lucky and top match with kills/squad command points.
snipeing = good way to see where your OB needs to go.
snipeing = not usless. |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
638
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Posted - 2013.11.11 08:29:00 -
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8213 wrote:Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:I beg to differ... Snipers are not meaningless in this game
When I snipe, my team notices my impact.
Due to my Thale, we have one of our objectives permanently safe, that tower-camping swarmer/forger terrorizing our derpships/infantry is dead, and enemy AV infantry get shot to pieces allowing my team's HAV to run rampant in half of the map.
Sounds like you just hate crappy snipers... But bad snipers are no different then the useless AR nutters who die 17 times score 150 warpoints. Dude... don't give me the Sniper wishful thinking rant.. I've heard it 1000x... You wish you could single handedly defend an objective. You wish you could pop an enemy's head off just as he's about to kill your teammate, being a hero... you wish you could earn enough kills to balance out the bottom half of your team... you wish all of that BUT YOU CAN'T... I've never seen it, witnessed it, or even heard about... A sniper gets about 1 key shot every game, if they are lucky, that's it. All you do is kill Scouts and Starter Fits, and coutnersnipe the other useless snipers on the other team. DUST 514 Fact: The team with the most snipers, LOSES everytime.
Sleepy Zan back when he played was really deadly. I figure he played with KBM and could reliably rake up his kills. Other than that (the few exceptional snipers), I side up with you - >95% of snipers are useless in this game. Not their fault either. I blame this on poor sniping game mechanics. Snipers either sit in the red line and help their team lose or they beat up on the already losing team but covering spawn points. There is nothing in between to make snipers worthwhile. |
8213
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
645
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Posted - 2013.11.11 09:06:00 -
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Atiim wrote:LUGMOS wrote:Played a game with the OP yesterday.
There were a few tanks, and many infantry, and my Commando SL/AR fit was trolololing.
His favorite fit was a CRW scram and Amarr assault. He wasn't too shabby with it.
Might make good sniper material someday lol. I played a game against the OP a few minutes ago. Dat lag was so horrible that my bullets wouldn't even render.
Pure lies! there is no lag in DUST 514! You just need to get good, kid!
I didn't notice you in the match. Maybe next time. 
Besides, I played like sh*t my last session(it WAS very laggy). I'm pretty sure a noob in a MLT SR Fit could have killed me, lag an all though. I did get popped by a Charge SR in one match though. It took 2 shots too... which i thought was purpose defeating of the Charge SR... |
8213
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
645
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Posted - 2013.11.11 09:13:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:8213 wrote:Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:I beg to differ... Snipers are not meaningless in this game
When I snipe, my team notices my impact.
Due to my Thale, we have one of our objectives permanently safe, that tower-camping swarmer/forger terrorizing our derpships/infantry is dead, and enemy AV infantry get shot to pieces allowing my team's HAV to run rampant in half of the map.
Sounds like you just hate crappy snipers... But bad snipers are no different then the useless AR nutters who die 17 times score 150 warpoints. Dude... don't give me the Sniper wishful thinking rant.. I've heard it 1000x... You wish you could single handedly defend an objective. You wish you could pop an enemy's head off just as he's about to kill your teammate, being a hero... you wish you could earn enough kills to balance out the bottom half of your team... you wish all of that BUT YOU CAN'T... I've never seen it, witnessed it, or even heard about... A sniper gets about 1 key shot every game, if they are lucky, that's it. All you do is kill Scouts and Starter Fits, and coutnersnipe the other useless snipers on the other team. DUST 514 Fact: The team with the most snipers, LOSES everytime. Sleepy Zan back when he played was really deadly. I figure he played with KBM and could reliably rake up his kills. Other than that (the few exceptional snipers), I side up with you - >95% of snipers are useless in this game. Not their fault either. I blame this on poor sniping game mechanics. Snipers either sit in the red line and help their team lose or they beat up on the already losing team but covering spawn points. There is nothing in between to make snipers worthwhile.
BINGO! SRs aren't good enough in this game. If they take away the red line ability, I'm all for buffing SRs a little. Because as they are right now, they aren't worth anything. You need Thales, or Proto SRs to even be deadly. Everytime my HP drops 200 instantly, I just think... pesky sniper... why is he wasting his time trying to shoot me? He needs 2 more shots, and by then, I'm healed and long gone from the situation.
I snipe as well. Not religiously, but i do it a lot. Mostly as a way to occupy my time while I AFK. I know most of the SR hot spots, so I know when to be careful(er)
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deezy dabest
Warpoint Sharx
84
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Posted - 2013.11.11 11:22:00 -
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If you are bitching about snipers you have obviously never been in a squad with a real sniper.
My main focus when sniping is relaying positions and breaking down enemies before they get to my squad mates, as well as taking out other snipers who I have to assume are doing the same thing (except for the ones who are obviously set up with no view of the battlefield only a view of common sniping positions, them I enjoy killing due to the fact that they cause threads like this).
Before you go off on snipers squad up with 2 of them who can take up different positions and tell you who is coming around the corner / drop their shields and probably make them run too you faster and less aware of your presence due to them simply fleeing for cover. |
lrian Locust
DUST University
Ivy League
286
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Posted - 2013.11.11 12:50:00 -
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8213 wrote:lrian Locust wrote:8213 wrote:lrian Locust wrote:[quote=8213]How many HAV's do you think you can kill in one game?
A Swarm kills more than just HAVs Jr... I know, but how many people will still bring out their vehicles when they start dropping like flies? If you say you can get more SP with you swarm launcher than the best sniper out there, I call bullshit. Because you won't find a match with that many vehicles and dropships about. Its called letting the enemies hack the turrets and supply depots, and taking them out along with HAVs and LAVs... If you're that ignorant about a swarm launcher than I'm assuming you're that narrow minded into thinking Snipers matter in this game...
Like that'll give you 3000WP. Do the math! |
lrian Locust
DUST University
Ivy League
286
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Posted - 2013.11.11 12:54:00 -
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8213 wrote: you can invite me to your channel, and I can join in on a couple games and watch heroism you speak of...
"Don't worry guys, I got the guy hacking A... There I shot him... pay no mind that it was a guy in a Scout Suit... I saved the entire match for us... wait... 5 people are now hacking A... hurry up ground guys, do something, because... oh never mind, they got A" Snipers don't pretend to be heroes, or are a major factor in winning every match. But who does? Some matches and games suit them better than others. Just like running a shotty, AR, or swarm launcher.
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lrian Locust
DUST University
Ivy League
286
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Posted - 2013.11.11 13:08:00 -
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8213 wrote:Everytime my HP drops 200 instantly, I just think... pesky sniper... why is he wasting his time trying to shoot me? He needs 2 more shots, and by then, I'm healed and long gone from the situation.
If a sniper does 200 damage, he's not a dedicated sniper. A skilled sniper with damage mods easily does over 500 HP damage.
8213 wrote:I snipe as well. Not religiously, but i do it a lot. Mostly as a way to occupy my time while I AFK. I know most of the SR hot spots, so I know when to be careful(er) So you complain about snipers being useless, while you go AFK a lot? There goes your last credibility, if you ever had it.
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Krom Ganesh
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
609
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Posted - 2013.11.11 13:29:00 -
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8213 wrote:"Don't worry guys, I got the guy hacking A... There I shot him... pay no mind that it was a guy in a Scout Suit... I saved the entire match for us... wait... 5 people are now hacking A... hurry up ground guys, do something, because... oh never mind, they got A"
So what your saying is that if if the sniper had been at the objective with an AR, they could have successfully defended the objective?
The funny thing about groups rushing an objective is that after you drop the first one to attempt a hack (especially if they were in a proto suit and/or you did it in a single shot to the head), the rest are often reluctant to attempt a hack. |
Infamous Erich
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
28
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Posted - 2013.11.11 13:39:00 -
[103] - Quote
When i used to rail snipe on top of that huge mountain back in chromo days it used to make us auto win everytime |
Soraya Xel
Violent Intervention
Top Men.
759
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Posted - 2013.11.11 15:17:00 -
[104] - Quote
8213 wrote:These maps are plenty big enough where the sniper can still have major distance without being out of bounds in the red zone.
You're crying about redline sniping, but the redline has nothing to do with it. It's impossible to see your own redline. Moving the redline is not going to help, and removing credit for kills from the redline is unfair. An invisible line where you get points on one side, but not on the other? Ridiculous.
The problem is actually that for a sniper, it isn't about "major distances", it's about position. It is not a sniper's fault that CCP has put the optimal places to snipe, from a height and view angle, in the redline.
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Krom Ganesh
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
610
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Posted - 2013.11.11 15:28:00 -
[105] - Quote
Soraya Xel wrote:The problem is actually that for a sniper, it isn't about "major distances", it's about position. It is not a sniper's fault that CCP has put the optimal places to snipe, from a height and view angle, in the redline.
+1.
CCP really needs to review their redline placement. In addition to putting some of the better sniping spots past the redline, some maps just have ridiculous redlines. One of the maps (Iron Delta?) has areas where I have to skirt around the redline that only prevents me from crossing open land. |
Poonmunch
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
544
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Posted - 2013.11.11 16:05:00 -
[106] - Quote
I wish the post game stats showed a player's assists. It would help people understand something important that we do.
I get a fair number, while the CQC guys I'm covering finish them off.
Munch
What if the hokey pokey really is what it's all about?
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Niuvo
NECROM0NGERS
743
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:43:00 -
[107] - Quote
Was in a dom against a good squad. They owned right away. After they hacked A, they tried to push our side into submission. That's when I started to snipe and kill. Their attack was stopped, No enemy was out in the open anymore trying to push. They still won though, but who cares. |
Flix Keptick
Red Star.
EoN.
1245
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:58:00 -
[108] - Quote
**** no, this is not call of duty, and most snipers don't OHK... Snipers also don't have good vantage points on most maps if they stay in the redline.
This is coming from someone that hates snipers.
"Please don't"
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Rip The Dragon
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
0
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:58:00 -
[109] - Quote
i just have to add my to cents worth lol while i might not be the best sniper i do think i am very decent
but most shooters now have some sort of redline now days some are better than others yes and i have not been playing for while but will be back from time to time to sniper
my crazy way
i do everything from hacking to running to the other side of map to shoot people in back running to centre of field nad it my side is pinned at red line u will see me sniper from there to clear a path and charge forward past the front line of battle i have a knack for it
p.s my kd may not be great but my assits are high and when i on a roll my wp is in top 5
for those who think redline snipering points should not given then it should be the not be the way other ether getting point for kills while there in the red line and then it just be s boring and points game not one would move and it be just like afking most hate
and then what would be the point i fighting in a waar game if not one could even kill
every one hates being spawn camped of caorse ever one loves the easy kill from time to time but when is the challebge in that it just get boring after while
its why games try and do the best to make it hard to be spawn camped as it make game unenjoyable from the guy dying before they can do a damn thing it just cause people not to play and then where will you all go if no one logs on to game to shoot at
and just so you all know u can't tell poeple how to play there game if they want to sniper they will sniper the way they comfortable with if i want to fly a drop ship i will fly a dropship and most probably crash before you even shot me down
poeple will always play how they like in bf 3 people use to put c4 on helis in the redzone there fly away and wait to some one spawned in the safe zone toke heli boom blown up before you inch of ground
there will always be dirty players just like there be honorable ones it a war game stop your crying and play the way you like if its not fun go some where else
p.s lol bf 4 has kill scored for assits damn i woder what my kd be like then since i rarely miss my taget after few miss judge ments and have tons assits
p.s i love assits it means i help my team kill the sob that got passed my failed rare failed shot
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Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
837
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Posted - 2013.11.11 18:06:00 -
[110] - Quote
I've seen people run out of cover, move off objectives, and spend precious time hunting snipers. Snipers may not play a direct role but they can, and in the right hands often do.
The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war.
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Kira Takizawa
Ethereal Eden
11
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Posted - 2013.11.11 19:53:00 -
[111] - Quote
8213 wrote:Foo Fighting wrote:If, as some say, snipers are meaningless and irrelevant, we should petition for a buff to snipers.... Truth be told, if they eliminated the redline ability, I am all for buffing Snipers. Maybe then, they'd be more of a threat and taken more seriously by the other team. Unless its a Thale's to the head, A sniper can't really OHK me if I'm running my typical fit. Snipers usually are on the receiving end of +25. They will have 2-3x as many assists as kills, and the kills they do get are just finishing off what their teammate had started... Nobody with any form of experience in this game fears snipers... Sure, I'll drop on Orbital on them, but that's just because its a big time saver than flanking for 2km to just Charge my SCR into the back of there head.
Hope you wasn't running your "typical fit" last night because I know I OHK'ed you 3-4 times... As well as protected the objective.. I did my job as an area denial sniper and I'm happy with the results. Eliminate the RL I don't care still won't change the fact I'll most likely kill most of your time before y'all start to care about me. |
8213
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
651
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Posted - 2013.11.11 20:03:00 -
[112] - Quote
Kira Takizawa wrote:8213 wrote:Foo Fighting wrote:If, as some say, snipers are meaningless and irrelevant, we should petition for a buff to snipers.... Truth be told, if they eliminated the redline ability, I am all for buffing Snipers. Maybe then, they'd be more of a threat and taken more seriously by the other team. Unless its a Thale's to the head, A sniper can't really OHK me if I'm running my typical fit. Snipers usually are on the receiving end of +25. They will have 2-3x as many assists as kills, and the kills they do get are just finishing off what their teammate had started... Nobody with any form of experience in this game fears snipers... Sure, I'll drop on Orbital on them, but that's just because its a big time saver than flanking for 2km to just Charge my SCR into the back of there head. Hope you wasn't running your "typical fit" last night because I know I OHK'ed you 3-4 times... As well as protected the objective.. I did my job as an area denial sniper and I'm happy with the results. Eliminate the RL I don't care still won't change the fact I'll most likely kill most of your time before y'all start to care about me.
Are you seriously high, or just like to tell lies?
I already mentioned you somewhere on this forum about how I was killed ONCE by a Charge sniper. Seriously, what is it with snipers that they stretch their imagination so badly?
If I believed every sniper in the game, I'd say they all went 30/0 every single game, with heroic game saving OHKs 20x a game...
Unbelievable. For every decent enough sniper out there, there are 20 of you delusional kids who think what they wished would happen actually does happen...
You may have hit me 3-4x, but you didn't KILL me more than ONCE! Get you facts straight. The fact that you can't decided on the exact number, says you're lying as well. Get off my thread, and let the people on here who make valid points and don't spin stories do the talking for you.
PS- I'm assuming the one time I was killed by a sniper was you, because nobody else stepped forward. If you're lying about it and taking credit over someone else, than you really are low. |
Kira Takizawa
Ethereal Eden
11
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Posted - 2013.11.11 20:09:00 -
[113] - Quote
8213 wrote:Kira Takizawa wrote:8213 wrote:Foo Fighting wrote:If, as some say, snipers are meaningless and irrelevant, we should petition for a buff to snipers.... Truth be told, if they eliminated the redline ability, I am all for buffing Snipers. Maybe then, they'd be more of a threat and taken more seriously by the other team. Unless its a Thale's to the head, A sniper can't really OHK me if I'm running my typical fit. Snipers usually are on the receiving end of +25. They will have 2-3x as many assists as kills, and the kills they do get are just finishing off what their teammate had started... Nobody with any form of experience in this game fears snipers... Sure, I'll drop on Orbital on them, but that's just because its a big time saver than flanking for 2km to just Charge my SCR into the back of there head. Hope you wasn't running your "typical fit" last night because I know I OHK'ed you 3-4 times... As well as protected the objective.. I did my job as an area denial sniper and I'm happy with the results. Eliminate the RL I don't care still won't change the fact I'll most likely kill most of your time before y'all start to care about me. Are you seriously high, or just like to tell lies? I already mentioned you somewhere on this forum about how I was killed ONCE by a Charge sniper. Seriously, what is it with snipers that they stretch their imagination so badly? If I believed every sniper in the game, I'd say they all went 30/0 every single game, with heroic game saving OHKs 20x a game... Unbelievable. For every decent enough sniper out there, there are 20 of you delusional kids who think what they wished would happen actually does happen... You may have hit me 3-4x, but you didn't KILL me more than ONCE! Get you facts straight. The fact that you can't decided on the exact number, says you're lying as well. Get off my thread, and let the people on here who make valid points and don't spin stories do the talking for you. I wasn't the only one to do the feat as well jokes on you buddy... don't act like you are some kind of bad*** and I never said I went 30/0 I just know my abilities in this game as a player.. Don't go assuming things that is where you will start your descent as a non credible person... As well as YOU personally have never killed me last night.. And this is the community forums I can stay here all I would like. |
8213
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
651
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Posted - 2013.11.11 20:21:00 -
[114] - Quote
Kira Takizawa wrote:8213 wrote:Kira Takizawa wrote:8213 wrote:Foo Fighting wrote:If, as some say, snipers are meaningless and irrelevant, we should petition for a buff to snipers.... Truth be told, if they eliminated the redline ability, I am all for buffing Snipers. Maybe then, they'd be more of a threat and taken more seriously by the other team. Unless its a Thale's to the head, A sniper can't really OHK me if I'm running my typical fit. Snipers usually are on the receiving end of +25. They will have 2-3x as many assists as kills, and the kills they do get are just finishing off what their teammate had started... Nobody with any form of experience in this game fears snipers... Sure, I'll drop on Orbital on them, but that's just because its a big time saver than flanking for 2km to just Charge my SCR into the back of there head. Hope you wasn't running your "typical fit" last night because I know I OHK'ed you 3-4 times... As well as protected the objective.. I did my job as an area denial sniper and I'm happy with the results. Eliminate the RL I don't care still won't change the fact I'll most likely kill most of your time before y'all start to care about me. Are you seriously high, or just like to tell lies? I already mentioned you somewhere on this forum about how I was killed ONCE by a Charge sniper. Seriously, what is it with snipers that they stretch their imagination so badly? If I believed every sniper in the game, I'd say they all went 30/0 every single game, with heroic game saving OHKs 20x a game... Unbelievable. For every decent enough sniper out there, there are 20 of you delusional kids who think what they wished would happen actually does happen... You may have hit me 3-4x, but you didn't KILL me more than ONCE! Get you facts straight. The fact that you can't decided on the exact number, says you're lying as well. Get off my thread, and let the people on here who make valid points and don't spin stories do the talking for you. I wasn't the only one to do the feat as well jokes on you buddy... don't act like you are some kind of bad*** and I never said I went 30/0 I just know my abilities in this game as a player.. Don't go assuming things that is where you will start your descent as a non credible person... As well as YOU personally have never killed me last night.. And this is the community forums I can stay here all I would like.
Well then, please give some details of how I apparently died 3-4x by you last night, as well as a few times by the hands of other Snipers. Was this all in the same match? Did I die 10x by snipers in one match? What was the gamemode? What was the map? What gun was it? Where did you shoot me from? Where was I when I got shot?
Was it this character? Because assuming it was, I assume you must be new to the Forums, but apparently not new to the game. Because it really isn't adding up. |
Kira Takizawa
Ethereal Eden
11
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Posted - 2013.11.11 20:37:00 -
[115] - Quote
Truth be told, if they eliminated the redline ability, I am all for buffing Snipers. Maybe then, they'd be more of a threat and taken more seriously by the other team. Unless its a Thale's to the head, A sniper can't really OHK me if I'm running my typical fit.
Snipers usually are on the receiving end of +25. They will have 2-3x as many assists as kills, and the kills they do get are just finishing off what their teammate had started...
Nobody with any form of experience in this game fears snipers... Sure, I'll drop on Orbital on them, but that's just because its a big time saver than flanking for 2km to just Charge my SCR into the back of there head.[/quote]
Hope you wasn't running your "typical fit" last night because I know I OHK'ed you 3-4 times... As well as protected the objective.. I did my job as an area denial sniper and I'm happy with the results. Eliminate the RL I don't care still won't change the fact I'll most likely kill most of your time before y'all start to care about me.[/quote]
Are you seriously high, or just like to tell lies?
I already mentioned you somewhere on this forum about how I was killed ONCE by a Charge sniper. Seriously, what is it with snipers that they stretch their imagination so badly?
If I believed every sniper in the game, I'd say they all went 30/0 every single game, with heroic game saving OHKs 20x a game...
Unbelievable. For every decent enough sniper out there, there are 20 of you delusional kids who think what they wished would happen actually does happen...
You may have hit me 3-4x, but you didn't KILL me more than ONCE! Get you facts straight. The fact that you can't decided on the exact number, says you're lying as well. Get off my thread, and let the people on here who make valid points and don't spin stories do the talking for you.[/quote] I wasn't the only one to do the feat as well jokes on you buddy... don't act like you are some kind of bad*** and I never said I went 30/0 I just know my abilities in this game as a player.. Don't go assuming things that is where you will start your descent as a non credible person... As well as YOU personally have never killed me last night.. And this is the community forums I can stay here all I would like.[/quote]
Well then, please give some details of how I apparently died 3-4x by you last night, as well as a few times by the hands of other Snipers. Was this all in the same match? Did I die 10x by snipers in one match? What was the gamemode? What was the map? What gun was it? Where did you shoot me from? Where was I when I got shot?
Was it this character? Because assuming it was, I assume you must be new to the Forums, but apparently not new to the game. Because it really isn't adding up.[/quote] I got ya with head shots however many times I did kill you whether it's 3-4 or whatever and yes it was in the same match. I don't believe you died that much but right before the match I did notice you was talking about the Sniper here on the forums and decided you would be my victim.. the gamemode was DOM and I don't know the maps names and I could careless I just memorize the map and go from there. I had the charge if that is what you are asking for the map I know both had "fortresses" to what I call them atleast. I was on the hills looking in the obective close to your spawn and you got shot while inside close to the objective and then two more times while at the entrance to the fortress.. (Yeah I may be new to the forums but not new to the stupidity of people.. and yeah make fun of me for not knowing the map name as long as I protect the objective and play to win I don't care really.)
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8213
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
652
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Posted - 2013.11.11 20:49:00 -
[116] - Quote
Kira Takizawa wrote:
I got ya with head shots however many times I did kill you whether it's 3-4 or whatever and yes it was in the same match. I don't believe you died that much but right before the match I did notice you was talking about the Sniper here on the forums and decided you would be my victim.. the gamemode was DOM and I don't know the maps names and I could careless I just memorize the map and go from there. I had the charge if that is what you are asking for the map I know both had "fortresses" to what I call them atleast. I was on the hills looking in the obective close to your spawn and you got shot while inside close to the objective and then two more times while at the entrance to the fortress.. (Yeah I may be new to the forums but not new to the stupidity of people.. and yeah make fun of me for not knowing the map name as long as I protect the objective and play to win I don't care really.)
Wasn't me sorry. The one time I died to a sniper was nothing to that description. Not even CLOSE!
The only part of the story that I would agree with is that I did get shot in a Domination Game and with a Charge SR.
I was 2-shotted (which truth be told, that sniper got robbed, because the first shot took exactly all my health)
I was killed ONCE
I don't go anywhere near Objectives, ever
I was killed on steps from the enemy side while inside of the city (idk if it was redline, but it was far)
The most I died all night was a Nyain San match, I died 6x... none from sniper.
I don't know the name of the maps either, never cared to learn them.
Either you are flat out lying, or severely mistaken. since my name is kind of recognizable, because it all numbers, I'll go with you are lying. |
Kira Takizawa
Ethereal Eden
11
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Posted - 2013.11.11 20:55:00 -
[117] - Quote
8213 wrote:Kira Takizawa wrote:
I got ya with head shots however many times I did kill you whether it's 3-4 or whatever and yes it was in the same match. I don't believe you died that much but right before the match I did notice you was talking about the Sniper here on the forums and decided you would be my victim.. the gamemode was DOM and I don't know the maps names and I could careless I just memorize the map and go from there. I had the charge if that is what you are asking for the map I know both had "fortresses" to what I call them atleast. I was on the hills looking in the obective close to your spawn and you got shot while inside close to the objective and then two more times while at the entrance to the fortress.. (Yeah I may be new to the forums but not new to the stupidity of people.. and yeah make fun of me for not knowing the map name as long as I protect the objective and play to win I don't care really.)
Wasn't me sorry. The one time I died to a sniper was nothing to that description. Not even CLOSE! The only part of the story that I would agree with is that I did get shot in a Domination Game and with a Charge SR. I was 2-shotted (which truth be told, that sniper got robbed, because the first shot took exactly all my health) I was killed ONCE I don't go anywhere near Objectives, ever I was killed on steps from the enemy side while inside of the city (idk if it was redline, but it was far) The most I died all night was a Nyain San match, I died 6x... none from sniper. I don't know the name of the maps either, never cared to learn them. Either you are flat out lying, or severely mistaken. since my name is kind of recognizable, because it all numbers, I'll go with you are lying.
I know it was you but if you want to try and deny it fine it's sad when the sniper knows his/her target and kills it but gets told otherwise.. Next time I kill you like this I will have video proof so you can't deny it.. |
Poonmunch
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
545
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Posted - 2013.11.12 03:00:00 -
[118] - Quote
I'm not sure I get the whole "Snipers don't matter" or "Snipers contribute nothing" malarky some of you are buying into.
If we snipers can make as many kills as a CQC guy and have no deaths, in what universe does that make us irrelevant or useless?
On that basis alone, we carry our weight.
Then add in all the "extras".
We scout.
We jump into turrets when when needed.
We hack.
We counter-hack.
We counter-snipe.
We cover friendly vehicles by splattering red AV infantry all over the countryside.
We cover objectives. Usually more than one at a time.
We drop uplinks.
We drop nanohives.
We mine objectives with remote explosives.
We mine roads with proximity explosives.
We thin the herd of angry reds running toward you.
We can slow or stop enemy momentum.
We strip shields and armour and don't mind just getting the assist. It's worth it to see a proto fatty bite the dust.
We stop the red guys who run at the solo blue hacker. He usually has no clue we saved his bacon.
We shoot red uplinks and nanohives from 400m away.
We kill the red guy who calls in the vehicle before he gets into the vehicle. So a blue guy can drop by later and score a free ride.
We harass the reds to the point where 4 jump in a clown car to chase us down. They almost always get me but I've taken 4 reds on a wild goose chase - which means out of the battle - for several minutes. They may as well have been dead or AFK for that time. All they end up doing is killing little old me.
Do snipers need CQC guys? Damn right we do.
Do CQC guys need snipers? Damn right you do.
Munch
What if the hokey pokey really is what it's all about?
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Doshneil Antaro
Dem Durrty Boyz
Public Disorder.
154
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Posted - 2013.11.12 03:58:00 -
[119] - Quote
I can't believe this thread hasn't been locked for trolling yet. That being said.........
inb4 locked for trolling. |
Sarcastic Dreamkiller
Northwind Alliance
Dark Taboo
55
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Posted - 2013.11.12 04:12:00 -
[120] - Quote
8213 wrote:I knew I'd catch flack for pointing out the obvious and trying to taint the Sniper's Illusion of Grandeur, but back to the topic. Should they be allowed to snipe from behind the redline?
No, and nobody else should be allowed to do anything from behind the redline either. |
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emm kay
Ultramarine Corp
33
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Posted - 2013.11.12 04:13:00 -
[121] - Quote
8213 wrote:Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:I beg to differ... Snipers are not meaningless in this game
When I snipe, my team notices my impact.
Due to my Thale, we have one of our objectives permanently safe, that tower-camping swarmer/forger terrorizing our derpships/infantry is dead, and enemy AV infantry get shot to pieces allowing my team's HAV to run rampant in half of the map.
Sounds like you just hate crappy snipers... But bad snipers are no different then the useless AR nutters who die 17 times score 150 warpoints. Dude... don't give me the Sniper wishful thinking rant.. I've heard it 1000x... You wish you could single handedly defend an objective. You wish you could pop an enemy's head off just as he's about to kill your teammate, being a hero... you wish you could earn enough kills to balance out the bottom half of your team... you wish all of that BUT YOU CAN'T... I've never seen it, witnessed it, or even heard about... A sniper gets about 1 key shot every game, if they are lucky, that's it. All you do is kill Scouts and Starter Fits, and coutnersnipe the other useless snipers on the other team. DUST 514 Fact: The team with the most snipers, LOSES everytime.
I hope this is an exaderation. True snipers cant defend objectives, but they make a huge impact. When i snipe with my adv sniper I get 5-15 kills per game (skirmish / domination) and 3-10 on ambush. Sometimes i bait players, by setting a hard to access drop uplink. Like dangling a carrot above a mule's head, the trap usually works. |
Sarcastic Dreamkiller
Northwind Alliance
Dark Taboo
55
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Posted - 2013.11.12 04:18:00 -
[122] - Quote
There are both good and bad snipers, just like there are good and bad assaults, logistics, tankers, etc.
A lot of the hate towards snipers goes to those bad snipers that don't do anything besides wasting a team slot.
Good snipers, I salute you. |
Asirius Medaius
635
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Posted - 2013.11.12 05:01:00 -
[123] - Quote
8213 wrote: Now, I'm not venting about it. In fact, snipers are MEANINGLESS in this game.
Stopped reading right there; Just another scrub of a player without the wit to understand the numerous roles a sniper can take.
I'm going to stop typing now before I feel like I have wasted too much time talking to inbreds with no sense of real critical thinking.
Signature coming soonGäó.
[Level 9 Forum Warrior]
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Poonmunch
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
548
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Posted - 2013.11.12 16:12:00 -
[124] - Quote
Asirius Medaius wrote:8213 wrote: Now, I'm not venting about it. In fact, snipers are MEANINGLESS in this game. Stopped reading right there; Just another scrub of a player without the wit to understand the numerous roles a sniper can take. I'm going to stop typing now before I feel like I have wasted too much time talking to inbreds with no sense of real critical thinking.
Yah, stuff like that bugs me too.
But my in-game mail frequently has a few angry, insulting messages from my victims in it.
Munch
What if the hokey pokey really is what it's all about?
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Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
3257
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Posted - 2013.11.16 20:47:00 -
[125] - Quote
8213 wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:I beg to differ... Snipers are not meaningless in this game
When I snipe, my team notices my impact.
Due to my Thale, we have one of our objectives permanently safe, that tower-camping swarmer/forger terrorizing our derpships/infantry is dead, and enemy AV infantry get shot to pieces allowing my team's HAV to run rampant in half of the map.
Sounds like you just hate crappy snipers... But bad snipers are no different then the useless AR nutters who die 17 times score 150 warpoints. This. You know how people always ***** about it when an uplink gets on top of a building only reachable by dropships? (AKA the reason why people ***** about weapons with splash) Well, I actually farmed kills with a sniper from one of those instances a little while ago, while saving the asses of all the mindless blueberries they were shooting down at. So you made an impact in one game? Typical snipers story... refer to the one time you actually had a good game and ignore the other 100 games where you went 4-15/0 on the losing team... If one sniper can actually pin down the entire enemy team, EVERY single game they are in, or even half of them... then I'd say Sniping is dangerous. But quite frankly its just a method to raise KD. Snipers don't contribute anything to the game, that's a simple fact. If they did, they would be more widespread in P/C... And the fact that they can hide behind the Redline kind of makes anything they do seem "skilless"
I'm not a full-time sniper. I've spent SP on being able to use every type of weapon and dropsuit.
I just snipe when it's needed, and that was one of the instances. |
Cato Avgvstvs
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
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My main character is a sniper. I don't understand how people red-line, so I have no comment about that. About snipers being useless, you're wrong.
First of all, I'm a strategic sniper. I'm up high, near the center of the map, directing my squad and covering them. I consistently get 10 kills a game.
Second of all, I worked hard to get to be a sniper; after being killed with Duvolles and flaylocks, I got enough points to outfit as a sniper. And I don't mean to brag, but unless you charge snipe me in the head, I'm gonna kill you.
Third, the sniper is only as good as the team. Being at the center in high place is not how you boost KD, that's how you get head-shot by a forge gun. If you're team is slow, or ignoring your information, you're gonna die.
Fourth, snipers are really good at surpressive fire, especially paired with a machine gun or forge heavy.
Lastly, snipers are great for assists. This is where snipers really shine. If a friendly group is under fire from an enemy group, when snipers damage them, guess how much more likely the friendly group is to survive?
Let's not even talk about maps that are relatively flat.
I've been places...
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Ghost Kaisar
THIRD EARTH INCORPORATED
Dark Taboo
1034
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Posted - 2013.12.11 01:47:00 -
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Wow. Tons of sniper hate here.
Lemme just say this.
1-2 GOOD sniper's on a GOOD team can be beneficial
5-6 BAD Snipers does nothing but remove bodies from the field, and makes you lose the game.
Don't hate on all Snipers due to the incompetence of 90% of them. The thing about Snipers is that you really only need 1-2 on a team. No more. They call out troop movements, and disrupt the enemy in open ground, forcing them into cover, and trying to stall advances.
It's a very specialized role, and that's why you only need a few of them. Just like how you really only need a few scouts and a few heavies to have a good team.
While a Team full of Assaults can be very good, you need balance to form a good team to win.
Personally?
I think like this.
8 Assaults
1 Sniper
2 Scouts
3 Logies
2 Heavies
This is a good Team layout in my opinion.
Feel free to troll, lol, hate and debate as you see fit.
"All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu
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Sylwester Dziewiecki
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Posted - 2013.12.11 02:13:00 -
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8213 wrote:I was playing around tonight and noticed two things that sort of tie into one another.
Since CCP's new Executive Producer wanted to "turn up the action", I noticed something in Ambush OMS games and it ties to an earlier thought I had about redline sniping.
First things first: Redline Snipers.
You know when you play basketball, and if you shoot the ball and goes into the basket, but your foot stepped out of bounds, the shot doesn't count? Why would a sniper be allowed to sit out of bounds and still get rewarded with doing damage?
Now, I'm not venting about it. In fact, snipers are MEANINGLESS in this game. They don't contribute, even in Ambush game modes. Snipers can b*tch all they want about that, but face facts; snipers make no impact on games other than being nuisances. If I get killed by one, I really don't care, because its only one death and it won't happen again.
These maps are plenty big enough where the sniper can still have major distance without being out of bounds in the red zone.
How this ties into tighter maps: Shrinking games?
In all the Ambush OMS games I played tonight, as I looked over the map before i spawned in I noticed how small the space was. We were playing OMS in standard Ambush spaces, and Turrets even dropped. I am wondering if this is one of CCPs attempts to turn up the action? Because all those Ambush games were over in 5 minutes, just like a standard Ambush game would be, because the time between kill waves is tighter because of the tighter maps.
If this is the case, then smaller maps will hurt snipers in this game and render them to Call of Duty type of playstyles because you can't get enough distance between you and the enemy. But at the same time, I had good Shotgun performances tonight because of the tighter maps. I suppose tighter OMS games wouldn't be a bad thing, as long as the large games stay in the rotation as well.
Snipers are not meaningless in this game, they many times prove they usefulness, by killing hackers on null-cannons terminals for examples, not to mention that they are quite a bit good killers to. Just skill up sniper on one of your alt and see for yourself  .
I'm here since may 2012, my EVE alter ego is Nosum Hseebnrido.
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8213
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1007
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Posted - 2013.12.11 04:29:00 -
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Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote:8213 wrote:I was playing around tonight and noticed two things that sort of tie into one another.
Since CCP's new Executive Producer wanted to "turn up the action", I noticed something in Ambush OMS games and it ties to an earlier thought I had about redline sniping.
First things first: Redline Snipers.
You know when you play basketball, and if you shoot the ball and goes into the basket, but your foot stepped out of bounds, the shot doesn't count? Why would a sniper be allowed to sit out of bounds and still get rewarded with doing damage?
Now, I'm not venting about it. In fact, snipers are MEANINGLESS in this game. They don't contribute, even in Ambush game modes. Snipers can b*tch all they want about that, but face facts; snipers make no impact on games other than being nuisances. If I get killed by one, I really don't care, because its only one death and it won't happen again.
These maps are plenty big enough where the sniper can still have major distance without being out of bounds in the red zone.
How this ties into tighter maps: Shrinking games?
In all the Ambush OMS games I played tonight, as I looked over the map before i spawned in I noticed how small the space was. We were playing OMS in standard Ambush spaces, and Turrets even dropped. I am wondering if this is one of CCPs attempts to turn up the action? Because all those Ambush games were over in 5 minutes, just like a standard Ambush game would be, because the time between kill waves is tighter because of the tighter maps.
If this is the case, then smaller maps will hurt snipers in this game and render them to Call of Duty type of playstyles because you can't get enough distance between you and the enemy. But at the same time, I had good Shotgun performances tonight because of the tighter maps. I suppose tighter OMS games wouldn't be a bad thing, as long as the large games stay in the rotation as well. Snipers are not meaningless in this game, they many times prove they usefulness, by killing hackers on null-cannons terminals for examples, not to mention that they are quite a bit good killers to. Just skill up sniper on one of your alt and see for yourself .
Dude, honestly. STFU. Don't add any more delusional crap on a thread that's mad old. SNIPERS DO NOTHING!! All they can do is kill one person at a time, pretty useless if you ask me.
They can't protect objectives by themselves. All they can do is sit out of bounds and pester people who are actually playing. This is why snipers have the worst win/loss ratios in the game, period. This is why teams with the most snipers lose, every time. This is why snipers aren't used in PC. This is why snipers are MEANINGLESS and USELESS.
You may feel so awesome sitting 500m back and OHK-ing noobs in starter fits, but the rest of use who actually have to multitask and implement skill are the ones who control the game. Snipers contribute nothing of any use. |
Kira Takizawa
2Shitz 1Giggle
62
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Posted - 2013.12.11 08:34:00 -
[130] - Quote
8213 wrote:Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote:8213 wrote:I was playing around tonight and noticed two things that sort of tie into one another.
Since CCP's new Executive Producer wanted to "turn up the action", I noticed something in Ambush OMS games and it ties to an earlier thought I had about redline sniping.
First things first: Redline Snipers.
You know when you play basketball, and if you shoot the ball and goes into the basket, but your foot stepped out of bounds, the shot doesn't count? Why would a sniper be allowed to sit out of bounds and still get rewarded with doing damage?
Now, I'm not venting about it. In fact, snipers are MEANINGLESS in this game. They don't contribute, even in Ambush game modes. Snipers can b*tch all they want about that, but face facts; snipers make no impact on games other than being nuisances. If I get killed by one, I really don't care, because its only one death and it won't happen again.
These maps are plenty big enough where the sniper can still have major distance without being out of bounds in the red zone.
How this ties into tighter maps: Shrinking games?
In all the Ambush OMS games I played tonight, as I looked over the map before i spawned in I noticed how small the space was. We were playing OMS in standard Ambush spaces, and Turrets even dropped. I am wondering if this is one of CCPs attempts to turn up the action? Because all those Ambush games were over in 5 minutes, just like a standard Ambush game would be, because the time between kill waves is tighter because of the tighter maps.
If this is the case, then smaller maps will hurt snipers in this game and render them to Call of Duty type of playstyles because you can't get enough distance between you and the enemy. But at the same time, I had good Shotgun performances tonight because of the tighter maps. I suppose tighter OMS games wouldn't be a bad thing, as long as the large games stay in the rotation as well. Snipers are not meaningless in this game, they many times prove they usefulness, by killing hackers on null-cannons terminals for examples, not to mention that they are quite a bit good killers to. Just skill up sniper on one of your alt and see for yourself . Dude, honestly. STFU. Don't add any more delusional crap on a thread that's mad old. SNIPERS DO NOTHING!! All they can do is kill one person at a time, pretty useless if you ask me. They can't protect objectives by themselves. All they can do is sit out of bounds and pester people who are actually playing. This is why snipers have the worst win/loss ratios in the game, period. This is why teams with the most snipers lose, every time. This is why snipers aren't used in PC. This is why snipers are MEANINGLESS and USELESS. You may feel so awesome sitting 500m back and OHK-ing noobs in starter fits, but the rest of use who actually have to multitask and implement skill are the ones who control the game. Snipers contribute nothing of any use. You may feel so awesome sitting 500m back and OHK-ing noobs in starter fits, but the rest of use who actually have to multitask and implement skill are the ones who control the game. Snipers contribute nothing of any use. [/quote]
That is your opinion as some snipers are useless but some snipers can make a differences in the games they are in. Those snipers are like Logibros there are logi then there are logibros logis may have the equipment but never use it/put them in stupid places. Logibros support the team with all they have and they put their equipment in smart places without hindering the teams effectiveness.(May be a bad example but me as a logibro and sniper is how I see it) I as a sniper save many lives but never get thanked for it, I hold down objectives but no one even knows they think I K/D pad as long as I did my job I'm happy but to get recongition is even better same with me being a logibro. YOU may have hatred towards us snipers but if you see an objective not being taken and my name lighting up the kill board just know I'M holding an objective down yeah sometimes I might not hold it down for a long time and yes I can't do it all alone so get your *** in gear and come help me defend. I can prevent a take over for awhile but sooner or later there might be too many to shoot which is why you guys need to stop complaining and help the snipers. My sniper friends give me a visual as I'm assaulting and that helps me I call out a sniper or someone hiding from them and they kill him and I move forward. This is a team game not a let's blame this group for not doing anything when there are others that try to do something.
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Sarcastic Dreamkiller
Northwind Alliance
Dark Taboo
75
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Posted - 2013.12.11 23:29:00 -
[131] - Quote
Poonmunch wrote:I'm not sure I get the whole "Snipers don't matter" or "Snipers contribute nothing" malarky some of you are buying into.
If we snipers can make as many kills as a CQC guy and have no deaths, in what universe does that make us irrelevant or useless?
On that basis alone, we carry our weight.
Then add in all the "extras".
We scout.
We jump into turrets when needed.
We hack.
We counter-hack.
We counter-snipe.
We cover friendly vehicles by splattering red AV infantry all over the countryside. I see the swarm launcher trails and almost always no blues are anywhere around. The tank guys should be sending me flowers and buying me beer for saving their zillion ISK death sleds.
We cover objectives. Usually more than one at a time. I'm excellent at taking out 2. Sometimes even 3. Without losing the blue team a clone. Can I stop 4 or more red hackers? No, but a single blue CQC guy can't either.
We drop uplinks.
We drop nanohives.
We mine objectives with remote explosives.
We mine roads with proximity explosives.
We demoralize and distract reds.
We thin and cripple the herd of angry reds running toward you. Without losing the blue team a clone.
We can slow or stop enemy momentum. Without losing the blue team a clone.
We strip shields and armour and don't mind just getting the assist. It's worth it to see a proto fatty bite the dust. When that proto fatty waddles around the corner in front of you with no shields and half armor, it might be a gift from me.
We stop the red guys who run at the solo blue hacker. He usually has no clue we saved his bacon.
We shoot red uplinks and nanohives from 400m away.
We kill the red guy who calls in the vehicle before he gets into it. So a blue guy can drop by later and score a free ride. If you find an orphaned red vehicle it is likely a sniper made it that way because blue CQC guys almost always take or blow up vehicles when they kill the owner.
We stop the reds from hot-wiring your car when you get out to fight.
We harass the reds to the point where up to 4 jump in a clown car to chase us down. They almost always get me but I've taken 4 reds on a wild goose chase - which means out of the battle - for several minutes. They may as well have been dead or AFK for that time. All they end up doing is killing little old me.
I'm the grim reaper, the mad bomber, Drew Carry with a free car behind door number 3, a multi-tasking angel of death, your eyes and ears, the anti-AV service and your only friend when you are alone in a cold and dangerous place.
I'm a sniper and I'm proud of how I help my team.
Do snipers need CQC guys? Damn right we do.
Do CQC guys need snipers? Damn right you do.
Munch
Because the majority of snipers DON'T matter, some of you are a great help but most could be replaced by an empty slot.
If you really do the things that you've mentioned above than you deserve a handshake and a salute because you're contributing a lot more than the rest of them, and you have my gratitude. |
Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
493
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Posted - 2013.12.11 23:56:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:Something has to be done about Redline Snipers. They are in the camping on objective A in the redline, risking nothing. Either decrease Sniper range or tighten the map so that they are vulnerable even in the redline.
I understand the frustration about "risking nothing" but what do you want snipers to do?
Usually if a guy puts himself into an advantageous position and can effect the battle, making skilled shots at extreme range, I would think that's a plus one for that guy. Ultimately, he's just using what the game gave him.
The sniper isn't the problem...the redline is. I think the answer is that you should only have a very small "redline" and have that right under the MCC. Shrink the rest of the redline and that will help everyone out. More game space and more options for both sides. |
Neo Hyperthron
DUST University
Ivy League
9
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Posted - 2013.12.12 00:00:00 -
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Snipers are the part of this game no matter what your opinion about them is. And your attitude is kinda funny and very childish. After reading all your posts here i can say you are just butthurt.
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Valto Nyntus
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
47
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Posted - 2013.12.12 00:15:00 -
[134] - Quote
Real snipers in real life can't hide behind a safe zone, so why should snipers be allowed to do so.The red line is op and it's the cause of all our problems.
Fixes:
- extend the red line with the mcc far back ( long term fix that requires big maps )
- remove the red line ( an extreme fix but had to mention it )
- make the red line a damage reducing barrier that reduces damage by a % ( best fix)
ccp please consider these fixes and I recommend the third. |
Tyjus Vacca
Valor Coalition
Proficiency V.
51
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Posted - 2013.12.12 00:36:00 -
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8213 wrote:Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:I beg to differ... Snipers are not meaningless in this game
When I snipe, my team notices my impact.
Due to my Thale, we have one of our objectives permanently safe, that tower-camping swarmer/forger terrorizing our derpships/infantry is dead, and enemy AV infantry get shot to pieces allowing my team's HAV to run rampant in half of the map.
Sounds like you just hate crappy snipers... But bad snipers are no different then the useless AR nutters who die 17 times score 150 warpoints. Dude... don't give me the Sniper wishful thinking rant.. I've heard it 1000x... You wish you could single handedly defend an objective. You wish you could pop an enemy's head off just as he's about to kill your teammate, being a hero... you wish you could earn enough kills to balance out the bottom half of your team... you wish all of that BUT YOU CAN'T... I've never seen it, witnessed it, or even heard about... A sniper gets about 1 key shot every game, if they are lucky, that's it. All you do is kill Scouts and Starter Fits, and coutnersnipe the other useless snipers on the other team. DUST 514 Fact: The team with the most snipers, LOSES everytime.
lol bro you are buthurt XD, I know I'm good but you didn't have to describe me and tell the other snipers who to imitate :D
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8213
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Posted - 2013.12.12 03:04:00 -
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Neo Hyperthron wrote:Snipers are the part of this game no matter what your opinion about them is. And your attitude is kinda funny and very childish. After reading all your posts here i can say you are just butthurt.
Why am I butthurt? If you read all the posts, then you know I've never been killed by the same sniper twice in one game... so how am I butthurt?
Maybe I'm butthurt from being on losing teams that have 8 snipers just sitting in the redline contributing nothing like usual... |
Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
495
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Posted - 2013.12.12 03:11:00 -
[137] - Quote
Valto Nyntus wrote:Real snipers in real life can't hide behind a safe zone, so why should snipers be allowed to do so.The red line is op and it's the cause of all our problems.
Fixes:
- extend the red line with the mcc far back ( long term fix that requires big maps )
- remove the red line ( an extreme fix but had to mention it )
- make the red line a damage reducing barrier that reduces damage by a % ( best fix)
ccp please consider these fixes and I recommend the third.
Real life snipers don't have magic redlines that reduce the effectiveness of their weapon systems either. Also, if they could figure out a way to shoot from a spot that was as protected as the redline they would. |
Pr0phetzReck0ning
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
119
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Posted - 2013.12.12 03:18:00 -
[138] - Quote
CCP LogicLoop wrote:8213 wrote:I was playing around tonight and noticed two things that sort of tie into one another.
Since CCP's new Executive Producer wanted to "turn up the action", I noticed something in Ambush OMS games and it ties to an earlier thought I had about redline sniping.
First things first: Redline Snipers.
You know when you play basketball, and if you shoot the ball and goes into the basket, but your foot stepped out of bounds, the shot doesn't count? Why would a sniper be allowed to sit out of bounds and still get rewarded with doing damage?
Now, I'm not venting about it. In fact, snipers are MEANINGLESS in this game. They don't contribute, even in Ambush game modes. Snipers can b*tch all they want about that, but face facts; snipers make no impact on games other than being nuisances. If I get killed by one, I really don't care, because its only one death and it won't happen again.
These maps are plenty big enough where the sniper can still have major distance without being out of bounds in the red zone.
How this ties into tighter maps: Shrinking games?
In all the Ambush OMS games I played tonight, as I looked over the map before i spawned in I noticed how small the space was. We were playing OMS in standard Ambush spaces, and Turrets even dropped. I am wondering if this is one of CCPs attempts to turn up the action? Because all those Ambush games were over in 5 minutes, just like a standard Ambush game would be, because the time between kill waves is tighter because of the tighter maps.
If this is the case, then smaller maps will hurt snipers in this game and render them to Call of Duty type of playstyles because you can't get enough distance between you and the enemy. But at the same time, I had good Shotgun performances tonight because of the tighter maps. I suppose tighter OMS games wouldn't be a bad thing, as long as the large games stay in the rotation as well. The OMS maps are designed before the new EP. They have been set up smaller intentionally. Since it is ambush with a variation of having installations fall in at set times, we wanted it to be fast paced, with a bit of chaos and lots of action.
Soooo if you want the matches to be tighter and more chaotic, explain to me why the maps are like 6 times bigger than the actual engagement space we use??? |
8213
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Posted - 2013.12.12 03:26:00 -
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Pr0phetzReck0ning wrote:CCP LogicLoop wrote:8213 wrote:I was playing around tonight and noticed two things that sort of tie into one another.
Since CCP's new Executive Producer wanted to "turn up the action", I noticed something in Ambush OMS games and it ties to an earlier thought I had about redline sniping.
First things first: Redline Snipers.
You know when you play basketball, and if you shoot the ball and goes into the basket, but your foot stepped out of bounds, the shot doesn't count? Why would a sniper be allowed to sit out of bounds and still get rewarded with doing damage?
Now, I'm not venting about it. In fact, snipers are MEANINGLESS in this game. They don't contribute, even in Ambush game modes. Snipers can b*tch all they want about that, but face facts; snipers make no impact on games other than being nuisances. If I get killed by one, I really don't care, because its only one death and it won't happen again.
These maps are plenty big enough where the sniper can still have major distance without being out of bounds in the red zone.
How this ties into tighter maps: Shrinking games?
In all the Ambush OMS games I played tonight, as I looked over the map before i spawned in I noticed how small the space was. We were playing OMS in standard Ambush spaces, and Turrets even dropped. I am wondering if this is one of CCPs attempts to turn up the action? Because all those Ambush games were over in 5 minutes, just like a standard Ambush game would be, because the time between kill waves is tighter because of the tighter maps.
If this is the case, then smaller maps will hurt snipers in this game and render them to Call of Duty type of playstyles because you can't get enough distance between you and the enemy. But at the same time, I had good Shotgun performances tonight because of the tighter maps. I suppose tighter OMS games wouldn't be a bad thing, as long as the large games stay in the rotation as well. The OMS maps are designed before the new EP. They have been set up smaller intentionally. Since it is ambush with a variation of having installations fall in at set times, we wanted it to be fast paced, with a bit of chaos and lots of action. Soooo if you want the matches to be tighter and more chaotic, explain to me why the maps are like 6 times bigger than the actual engagement space we use???
1. I want both.
2. Because CCP said that games would be 50 vs 50 and even higher... but as usual they failed to deliver...
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Valto Nyntus
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
50
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Posted - 2013.12.12 11:27:00 -
[140] - Quote
Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:Valto Nyntus wrote:Real snipers in real life can't hide behind a safe zone, so why should snipers be allowed to do so.The red line is op and it's the cause of all our problems.
Fixes:
- extend the red line with the mcc far back ( long term fix that requires big maps )
- remove the red line ( an extreme fix but had to mention it )
- make the red line a damage reducing barrier that reduces damage by a % ( best fix)
ccp please consider these fixes and I recommend the third. Real life snipers don't have magic redlines that reduce the effectiveness of their weapon systems either. Also, if they could figure out a way to shoot from a spot that was as protected as the redline they would.
Of course they don't, thanks for stating the obvious troll.we don't need sniper trolls that don't see how brilliant my idea is, and with a response that has no legitimate points to counter my idea.so don't waist any of my time. |
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Tyjus Vacca
Valor Coalition
Proficiency V.
52
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Posted - 2013.12.12 11:32:00 -
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8213 wrote:Neo Hyperthron wrote:Snipers are the part of this game no matter what your opinion about them is. And your attitude is kinda funny and very childish. After reading all your posts here i can say you are just butthurt.
Why am I butthurt? If you read all the posts, then you know I've never been killed by the same sniper twice in one game... so how am I butthurt? Maybe I'm butthurt from being on losing teams that have 8 snipers just sitting in the redline contributing nothing like usual...
Bro what I know personally than Ive killed you at least twice in one game you sent me hate mail if you need verification soooo................ yeah that argument is screwed
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8213
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Posted - 2013.12.12 13:01:00 -
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Tyjus Vacca wrote:8213 wrote:Neo Hyperthron wrote:Snipers are the part of this game no matter what your opinion about them is. And your attitude is kinda funny and very childish. After reading all your posts here i can say you are just butthurt.
Why am I butthurt? If you read all the posts, then you know I've never been killed by the same sniper twice in one game... so how am I butthurt? Maybe I'm butthurt from being on losing teams that have 8 snipers just sitting in the redline contributing nothing like usual... Bro what I know personally than Ive killed you at least twice in one game you sent me hate mail if you need verification soooo................ yeah that argument is screwed
If you would have killed me twice I would have sent you 3million ISK. I send hate mail to snipers because they annoy me.
They are either shooting me, making it so I have to wait longer to get back into the game or sitting in the redline allowing there team to lose.
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lrian Locust
Chatelain Rapid Response
Gallente Federation
316
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Posted - 2013.12.12 13:18:00 -
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8213 wrote:I can earn more WP with a Swarm Launcher than the best sniper ever could. (...) A Swarm kills more than just HAVs Jr... I'm sure that you could. But that scenario would still be highly unlikely, because no-one would bring out vehicles anymore if you keep popping them every 30 seconds. And without vehicles to shoot, what are you going to do with your swarm launcher.
8213 wrote:You can get all the kills you want in DUST, but if they aren't key players, or kills that result in clone loss... they don't mean anything. True. But with all the mayhem that this guy caused (kill 1/3rd of enemy clones, survive 2 orbitals...) you can't blame him for his team losing.
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Ghost Kaisar
THIRD EARTH INCORPORATED
Dark Taboo
1113
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Posted - 2013.12.12 17:46:00 -
[144] - Quote
Tyjus Vacca wrote:8213 wrote:Neo Hyperthron wrote:Snipers are the part of this game no matter what your opinion about them is. And your attitude is kinda funny and very childish. After reading all your posts here i can say you are just butthurt.
Why am I butthurt? If you read all the posts, then you know I've never been killed by the same sniper twice in one game... so how am I butthurt? Maybe I'm butthurt from being on losing teams that have 8 snipers just sitting in the redline contributing nothing like usual... Bro what I know personally than Ive killed you at least twice in one game you sent me hate mail if you need verification soooo................ yeah that argument is screwed
Tyjus doesn't count.
He is accuracy incarnate. He is also OP
Minmatar Faction Warfare: Let's get Organized
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Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
793
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Posted - 2013.12.12 18:01:00 -
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lrian Locust wrote:8213 wrote:If one sniper can actually pin down the entire enemy team, EVERY single game they are in, or even half of them... then I'd say Sniping is dangerous. But quite frankly its just a method to raise KD. So which weapon in your arsenal can pin down an entire team, every other match or so?
my wolves |
Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
1711
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Posted - 2013.12.12 18:07:00 -
[146] - Quote
Darken-Sol wrote:lrian Locust wrote:8213 wrote:If one sniper can actually pin down the entire enemy team, EVERY single game they are in, or even half of them... then I'd say Sniping is dangerous. But quite frankly its just a method to raise KD. So which weapon in your arsenal can pin down an entire team, every other match or so? my wolves
Just one of your wolves can pin down half a team or an entire team by himself?
I've yet to encounter that.
Closed Beta Vet
Reading the forums detracts from overall enjoyment of the game
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ALPHA DECRIPTER
Dragon-Empire
629
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Posted - 2013.12.12 18:23:00 -
[147] - Quote
*Stopped after page 1*
You feel snipers are useless yet you want to make things harder for them which will make them even more useless.
You say snipers don't adhere you progress at all yet you feel something needs to be done about them.
Why?
Mind you, I don't like the idea of redline sniping either but I just can't seem to grasp your reasoning for this post. 
Scout Tactician
"You have been Scanned"
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Kira Takizawa
2Shitz 1Giggle
65
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Posted - 2013.12.12 18:26:00 -
[148] - Quote
ALPHA DECRIPTER wrote:*Stopped after page 1* You feel snipers are useless yet you want to make things harder for them which will make them even more useless. You say snipers don't adhere you progress at all yet you feel something needs to be done about them. Why? Mind you, I don't like the idea of redline sniping either but I just can't seem to grasp your reasoning for this post.
I guess it's because we annoy him or slow his advances while we are in play. That is the only reason I can see.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1901
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Posted - 2013.12.12 19:01:00 -
[149] - Quote
ShinyJay wrote:i like sniping in this game, but i think I'd be better if everything was going against me. map design, shield/armor tank, my sniper needing damage mods just to be effective. I even try to make due with it all, but i just can't. snipers need something for them to be effective on the field and for the team. until then, i run out in the field with my shotgun scout.
Please tell me your being sarcastic, or at least a troll.
DUST 514 just went full COD.
Never go full COD.
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
496
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Posted - 2013.12.12 19:39:00 -
[150] - Quote
Valto Nyntus wrote:Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:Valto Nyntus wrote:Real snipers in real life can't hide behind a safe zone, so why should snipers be allowed to do so.The red line is op and it's the cause of all our problems.
Fixes:
- extend the red line with the mcc far back ( long term fix that requires big maps )
- remove the red line ( an extreme fix but had to mention it )
- make the red line a damage reducing barrier that reduces damage by a % ( best fix)
ccp please consider these fixes and I recommend the third. Real life snipers don't have magic redlines that reduce the effectiveness of their weapon systems either. Also, if they could figure out a way to shoot from a spot that was as protected as the redline they would. Of course they don't, thanks for stating the obvious troll.we don't need sniper trolls that don't see how brilliant my idea is, and with a response that has no legitimate points to counter my idea.so don't waist any of my time.
Lol...I wasn't trolling you.
Ok, since we are talking about legitimate points...how did you arrive at creating a mechanic that reduces damage as the best fix?
1) does that damage reduction go both ways? So your shots suffer a reduction going in?
2) wouldn't this further increase the challenges to a team that was redlined and trying to make a breakout ?
3) redline sniping increases dramatically when a team is getting pushed back or the moment it's obvious that they can't win. That's a simple fact...if you're doing well you are removing spawn points they could other wise use to get into other parts of hype the map. This usually happens when the MCC and ground base are in close proximity to each other...perhaps move those points around. Would additional spawn points that were semi protected help? This way it would discourage guys hopping into sniper fits in the redline.
3) you brought "real life" into the discussion when you state that in real life they can't hide behind a safe zone. Guess what, the redline doesn't stop counter snipers from dealing with guys in the redline, dropping guys from a dropship on him for a suicide run, blasting him with an ADS, or an OB. You are correct, it is a protected position...but not a safe one.
Last note, I'm not a full time sniper. I do have a very good appreciation for what they can do when I've got them on my team as a when I'm just a squad member or the situational awareness they provide me as a squad leader or ground commander. |
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Tyjus Vacca
Valor Coalition
Proficiency V.
53
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Posted - 2013.12.12 21:08:00 -
[151] - Quote
8213 wrote:Tyjus Vacca wrote:8213 wrote:Neo Hyperthron wrote:Snipers are the part of this game no matter what your opinion about them is. And your attitude is kinda funny and very childish. After reading all your posts here i can say you are just butthurt.
Why am I butthurt? If you read all the posts, then you know I've never been killed by the same sniper twice in one game... so how am I butthurt? Maybe I'm butthurt from being on losing teams that have 8 snipers just sitting in the redline contributing nothing like usual... Bro what I know personally than Ive killed you at least twice in one game you sent me hate mail if you need verification soooo................ yeah that argument is screwed If you would have killed me twice I would have sent you 3million ISK. I send hate mail to snipers because they annoy me. They are either shooting me, making it so I have to wait longer to get back into the game or sitting in the redline allowing there team to lose.
well then I think you may owe me 3mil if not more :D |
Shijima Kuraimaru
warravens
League of Infamy
415
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Posted - 2013.12.12 21:26:00 -
[152] - Quote
My take on Redline snipers.
I have an alt that I switch between Scout/ScR and Scout/sniper. I don't consider myself a good sniper by any means but I have my good days and my bad days. However, the only time I don't mind redline sniping is in Domination, where even when you're close enough to be shot with a SMG there's a possibility you're still in the redline. Otherwise, I do my best to get out onto the battlefield proper.
My feelings are that if I can manage it, so can others.
Alt current fits...
Minmatar Scout with 212 ehp and Dau ScR
Minmatar Scout with 212 ehp and NT-511
Introducing the latest in heavy anti infantry weaponry. The Forge Gun.
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Ensar Cael
Dead Man's Game
44
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Posted - 2013.12.12 21:28:00 -
[153] - Quote
8213 wrote:I was playing around tonight and noticed two things that sort of tie into one another.
Since CCP's new Executive Producer wanted to "turn up the action", I noticed something in Ambush OMS games and it ties to an earlier thought I had about redline sniping.
First things first: Redline Snipers.
You know when you play basketball, and if you shoot the ball and goes into the basket, but your foot stepped out of bounds, the shot doesn't count? Why would a sniper be allowed to sit out of bounds and still get rewarded with doing damage?
Now, I'm not venting about it. In fact, snipers are MEANINGLESS in this game. They don't contribute, even in Ambush game modes. Snipers can b*tch all they want about that, but face facts; snipers make no impact on games other than being nuisances. If I get killed by one, I really don't care, because its only one death and it won't happen again.
These maps are plenty big enough where the sniper can still have major distance without being out of bounds in the red zone.
How this ties into tighter maps: Shrinking games?
In all the Ambush OMS games I played tonight, as I looked over the map before i spawned in I noticed how small the space was. We were playing OMS in standard Ambush spaces, and Turrets even dropped. I am wondering if this is one of CCPs attempts to turn up the action? Because all those Ambush games were over in 5 minutes, just like a standard Ambush game would be, because the time between kill waves is tighter because of the tighter maps.
If this is the case, then smaller maps will hurt snipers in this game and render them to Call of Duty type of playstyles because you can't get enough distance between you and the enemy. But at the same time, I had good Shotgun performances tonight because of the tighter maps. I suppose tighter OMS games wouldn't be a bad thing, as long as the large games stay in the rotation as well.
Awww poor wolfie got real butt hurt because the Big Bad Sniper was wrecking his q-sync squads attempts at winning a game or two.
If snipers are so useless, why propose a way to nerf them? Answer is Butt Hurt Wolf...
Better thought for you get some counter snipers of your own ;) |
Ensar Cael
Dead Man's Game
44
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Posted - 2013.12.12 21:29:00 -
[154] - Quote
Tyjus Vacca wrote:8213 wrote:Tyjus Vacca wrote:8213 wrote:Neo Hyperthron wrote:Snipers are the part of this game no matter what your opinion about them is. And your attitude is kinda funny and very childish. After reading all your posts here i can say you are just butthurt.
Why am I butthurt? If you read all the posts, then you know I've never been killed by the same sniper twice in one game... so how am I butthurt? Maybe I'm butthurt from being on losing teams that have 8 snipers just sitting in the redline contributing nothing like usual... Bro what I know personally than Ive killed you at least twice in one game you sent me hate mail if you need verification soooo................ yeah that argument is screwed If you would have killed me twice I would have sent you 3million ISK. I send hate mail to snipers because they annoy me. They are either shooting me, making it so I have to wait longer to get back into the game or sitting in the redline allowing there team to lose. well then I think you may owe me 3mil if not more :D
Think he owes me a few more than that.... |
Sclompton Face-Smasher
Living Like Larry Schwag
3
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Posted - 2013.12.17 23:35:00 -
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Kira Takizawa wrote:ALPHA DECRIPTER wrote:*Stopped after page 1* You feel snipers are useless yet you want to make things harder for them which will make them even more useless. You say snipers don't adhere you progress at all yet you feel something needs to be done about them. Why? Mind you, I don't like the idea of redline sniping either but I just can't seem to grasp your reasoning for this post. I guess it's because we annoy him or slow his advances while we are in play. That is the only reason I can see.
Lol bro you already know when we tag team snipe a game they instantly think we're going for K/D when it's really a job for GRUNTS who say ALL snipers are bad when we keep them for killing our own grunts... it's a damn shame that when you take the easy way of getting the most over-powered weapons that now have even longer range and still can keep all that damage they dish but, I guess they don't know that as a sniper we have to deal with:
1. Lag because nobody on this game knows when it's going to hit.
2. The stress it takes to get a decent headshot on a running grunt Assault Logi, Heavy (yes I know I said it), Scout (damn minni scouts...).
3. Now we don't even know if we hit you or not because it doesn't show to us.
4. We can see through the walls most of the time and it throws us of because we still get the 175% damage even though we can't even hit them.
5. Sometimes your right in front of us like someone who is tower-anything on the anvil but as soon as they step toward the side of the top of the anvil they disappear and are unable to be shot.
So don't brush off all snipers as bad snipers just they didn't kill that target that you GRUNTS can't hit for once and want to complain about... Also in my opinion **** all who say the redline is OP you run in there anyway when you redline a team you pub-stomped, proto-stomped, advanced-stomped, and I personally count this as a stomp now... OP weapon stomped into oblivion and force them to lose more suits and money.. which is only contered by a corp that has enough isk to pay back all the suits they lost. |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens
League of Infamy
438
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Posted - 2013.12.18 12:42:00 -
[156] - Quote
I don't begrudge a sniper redlining if their whole team is redlined, I just prefer to try to get around the enemy, when I'm on my scout alt, and take them from behind. What bugs me is the snipers who redline even when their team isn't redlined.
I still can't find tanks on the market. All I see are those HAVs.
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Sclompton Face-Smasher
Living Like Larry Schwag
4
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Posted - 2013.12.19 21:54:00 -
[157] - Quote
Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:I don't begrudge a sniper redlining if their whole team is redlined, I just prefer to try to get around the enemy, when I'm on my scout alt, and take them from behind. What bugs me is the snipers who redline even when their team isn't redlined.
I can't even say I hate you but when you've played long enough then you know all the spots or even find new ones few snipers know about and if they happen to be in the redline and it's a spot where you can either shoot, notify others about or at least damage so the little grunts can finish off red berries with their op weapons then I don't care how much people complain...but there are dumb*** snipers who glitch and just sit in the redline because they don't know how to survive inside the redline and their prime play style is assault then that's when all snipers are considered bad and which caused the redline to seem like a crutch to all snipers. I mean seriously first off the first person to say "another sniper hero story" can kill themselves 150 times for protostomping team... but I sat in a spot in the redline on them map with the metal pipes that go almost all the way across the map (suck at names) and kept the enemy team from spawning on the pipes for about 2 minutes straight until another sniper finally peck me enough to annoy me to counter snipe him and get back to business and shoot at the pipes again only to find out they gave up on it. I ended up with about 17 kills at the end (I don't give a **** about K/D) so I think that counts as area denial, kills, and protecting my grunts. Also I go all over maps to find a good spot before anybody says anything about I camp the redline.  Sorry about the read.. |
8213
BIG BAD W0LVES
1127
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Posted - 2013.12.19 21:57:00 -
[158] - Quote
Good reminder: I was killed twice yesterday.
Infamous Erich got me twice w/ his Thale's.
I was in a Starter fit (450 total HP) but he trapped me good.
Put 3 million in his wallet for it. |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
2291
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Posted - 2013.12.19 21:57:00 -
[159] - Quote
HOLY CRAP A CORP MATE USES THE FORUMS!
Holy Fudgenipples!!!
MY HMG WORKS!!! IT ACTUALLY WORKS!!!
\o/
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Akdhar Saif
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
99
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Posted - 2013.12.19 22:01:00 -
[160] - Quote
Your original post would have made a decent point but you ruined it by claiming all snipers are useless. |
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Synthetic Waffles
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2013.12.19 22:01:00 -
[161] - Quote
8213 wrote:I was playing around tonight and noticed two things that sort of tie into one another.
Since CCP's new Executive Producer wanted to "turn up the action", I noticed something in Ambush OMS games and it ties to an earlier thought I had about redline sniping.
First things first: Redline Snipers.
You know when you play basketball, and if you shoot the ball and goes into the basket, but your foot stepped out of bounds, the shot doesn't count? Why would a sniper be allowed to sit out of bounds and still get rewarded with doing damage?
Now, I'm not venting about it. In fact, snipers are MEANINGLESS in this game. They don't contribute, even in Ambush game modes. Snipers can b*tch all they want about that, but face facts; snipers make no impact on games other than being nuisances. If I get killed by one, I really don't care, because its only one death and it won't happen again.
These maps are plenty big enough where the sniper can still have major distance without being out of bounds in the red zone.
How this ties into tighter maps: Shrinking games?
In all the Ambush OMS games I played tonight, as I looked over the map before i spawned in I noticed how small the space was. We were playing OMS in standard Ambush spaces, and Turrets even dropped. I am wondering if this is one of CCPs attempts to turn up the action? Because all those Ambush games were over in 5 minutes, just like a standard Ambush game would be, because the time between kill waves is tighter because of the tighter maps.
If this is the case, then smaller maps will hurt snipers in this game and render them to Call of Duty type of playstyles because you can't get enough distance between you and the enemy. But at the same time, I had good Shotgun performances tonight because of the tighter maps. I suppose tighter OMS games wouldn't be a bad thing, as long as the large games stay in the rotation as well.
Even though its true snipers are as useful as a rock but if we make shots not count in the red zone then what if one team gets pushed back to it? they will be trapped forever
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Sclompton Face-Smasher
Living Like Larry Schwag
6
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Posted - 2013.12.19 22:02:00 -
[162] - Quote
Atiim wrote:HOLY CRAP A CORP MATE USES THE FORUMS!
Corp buddy!! |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
2291
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Posted - 2013.12.19 22:08:00 -
[163] - Quote
Sclompton Face-Smasher wrote:Atiim wrote:HOLY CRAP A CORP MATE USES THE FORUMS! Corp buddy!!
I thought I'd never see the day.
I finally have a real forum friend. 
Also, were you the one sniping in those FW matches? Or was that Ruunt?
Holy Fudgenipples!!!
MY HMG WORKS!!! IT ACTUALLY WORKS!!!
\o/
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Sclompton Face-Smasher
Living Like Larry Schwag
7
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Posted - 2013.12.19 22:13:00 -
[164] - Quote
Atiim wrote:Sclompton Face-Smasher wrote:Atiim wrote:HOLY CRAP A CORP MATE USES THE FORUMS! Corp buddy!! I thought I'd never see the day. I finally have a real forum friend. Also, were you the one sniping in those FW matches? Or was that Ruunt?
We played a few amarr FW yesterday be we mostly play ambush and skirmish |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
2293
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Posted - 2013.12.19 22:23:00 -
[165] - Quote
Sclompton Face-Smasher wrote:Atiim wrote:Sclompton Face-Smasher wrote:Atiim wrote:HOLY CRAP A CORP MATE USES THE FORUMS! Corp buddy!! I thought I'd never see the day. I finally have a real forum friend. Also, were you the one sniping in those FW matches? Or was that Ruunt? We played a few amarr FW yesterday be we mostly play ambush and skirmish
Oh. Well i don't play Amarr FW, but I hope it was fun.
Have you seen Dark or Athena on lately? I want to ask them something.
Holy Fudgenipples!!!
MY HMG WORKS!!! IT ACTUALLY WORKS!!!
\o/
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Sclompton Face-Smasher
Living Like Larry Schwag
7
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Posted - 2013.12.19 22:27:00 -
[166] - Quote
Atiim wrote:Sclompton Face-Smasher wrote:Atiim wrote:Sclompton Face-Smasher wrote:Atiim wrote:HOLY CRAP A CORP MATE USES THE FORUMS! Corp buddy!! I thought I'd never see the day. I finally have a real forum friend. Also, were you the one sniping in those FW matches? Or was that Ruunt? We played a few amarr FW yesterday be we mostly play ambush and skirmish Oh. Well i don't play Amarr FW, but I hope it was fun. Have you seen Dark or Athena on lately? I want to ask them something.
Haven't seen athena and I think I saw Dark pop on then just leave. I'll check when I get on a little later |
Takron Nistrom
Tinfoil Hatz
150
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Posted - 2013.12.19 22:31:00 -
[167] - Quote
Is it just me or do these BBW guys ***** a lot?
GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥
GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
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Sclompton Face-Smasher
Living Like Larry Schwag
7
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Posted - 2013.12.19 22:37:00 -
[168] - Quote
Takron Nistrom wrote:Is it just me or do these BBW guys ***** a lot?
lol 8213 is cool from time to time but I don't how to answer that... |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
2293
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Posted - 2013.12.19 22:56:00 -
[169] - Quote
Sclompton Face-Smasher wrote:
Haven't seen athena and I think I saw Dark pop on then just leave. I'll check when I get on a little later
Alright, thanks.
Also, I don't think these people saying Snipers suck know what they are really talking about. If You, Me, And Ruunt were to pull out Thale's, we'd make half the other team rage quit.
It's best to ignore the haters here on the forums. Especially the "vocal" haters. 
Holy Fudgenipples!!!
MY HMG WORKS!!! IT ACTUALLY WORKS!!!
\o/
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Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens
League of Infamy
441
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Posted - 2013.12.20 00:11:00 -
[170] - Quote
Synthetic Waffles wrote:8213 wrote:I was playing around tonight and noticed two things that sort of tie into one another.
Since CCP's new Executive Producer wanted to "turn up the action", I noticed something in Ambush OMS games and it ties to an earlier thought I had about redline sniping.
First things first: Redline Snipers.
You know when you play basketball, and if you shoot the ball and goes into the basket, but your foot stepped out of bounds, the shot doesn't count? Why would a sniper be allowed to sit out of bounds and still get rewarded with doing damage?
Now, I'm not venting about it. In fact, snipers are MEANINGLESS in this game. They don't contribute, even in Ambush game modes. Snipers can b*tch all they want about that, but face facts; snipers make no impact on games other than being nuisances. If I get killed by one, I really don't care, because its only one death and it won't happen again.
These maps are plenty big enough where the sniper can still have major distance without being out of bounds in the red zone.
How this ties into tighter maps: Shrinking games?
In all the Ambush OMS games I played tonight, as I looked over the map before i spawned in I noticed how small the space was. We were playing OMS in standard Ambush spaces, and Turrets even dropped. I am wondering if this is one of CCPs attempts to turn up the action? Because all those Ambush games were over in 5 minutes, just like a standard Ambush game would be, because the time between kill waves is tighter because of the tighter maps.
If this is the case, then smaller maps will hurt snipers in this game and render them to Call of Duty type of playstyles because you can't get enough distance between you and the enemy. But at the same time, I had good Shotgun performances tonight because of the tighter maps. I suppose tighter OMS games wouldn't be a bad thing, as long as the large games stay in the rotation as well. Even though its true snipers are as useful as a rock but if we make shots not count in the red zone then what if one team gets pushed back to it? they will be trapped forever
I think they meant that the shot shouldn't get rewarded. Still effective yes, but no WP/SP.
I still can't find tanks on the market. All I see are those HAVs.
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Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens
League of Infamy
441
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Posted - 2013.12.20 00:13:00 -
[171] - Quote
Atiim wrote:Sclompton Face-Smasher wrote:
Haven't seen athena and I think I saw Dark pop on then just leave. I'll check when I get on a little later
Alright, thanks. Also, I don't think these people saying Snipers suck know what they are really talking about. If You, Me, And Ruunt were to pull out Thale's, we'd make half the other team rage quit. It's best to ignore the haters here on the forums. Especially the "vocal" haters.
Snipers don't suck. They do what they're supposed to do. I just don't think they should make a career out of intentionally camping behind the red line.
I still can't find tanks on the market. All I see are those HAVs.
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
513
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Posted - 2013.12.20 00:49:00 -
[172] - Quote
CCP LogicLoop wrote:8213 wrote:I was playing around tonight and noticed two things that sort of tie into one another.
Since CCP's new Executive Producer wanted to "turn up the action", I noticed something in Ambush OMS games and it ties to an earlier thought I had about redline sniping.
First things first: Redline Snipers.
You know when you play basketball, and if you shoot the ball and goes into the basket, but your foot stepped out of bounds, the shot doesn't count? Why would a sniper be allowed to sit out of bounds and still get rewarded with doing damage?
Now, I'm not venting about it. In fact, snipers are MEANINGLESS in this game. They don't contribute, even in Ambush game modes. Snipers can b*tch all they want about that, but face facts; snipers make no impact on games other than being nuisances. If I get killed by one, I really don't care, because its only one death and it won't happen again.
These maps are plenty big enough where the sniper can still have major distance without being out of bounds in the red zone.
How this ties into tighter maps: Shrinking games?
In all the Ambush OMS games I played tonight, as I looked over the map before i spawned in I noticed how small the space was. We were playing OMS in standard Ambush spaces, and Turrets even dropped. I am wondering if this is one of CCPs attempts to turn up the action? Because all those Ambush games were over in 5 minutes, just like a standard Ambush game would be, because the time between kill waves is tighter because of the tighter maps.
If this is the case, then smaller maps will hurt snipers in this game and render them to Call of Duty type of playstyles because you can't get enough distance between you and the enemy. But at the same time, I had good Shotgun performances tonight because of the tighter maps. I suppose tighter OMS games wouldn't be a bad thing, as long as the large games stay in the rotation as well. The OMS maps are designed before the new EP. They have been set up smaller intentionally. Since it is ambush with a variation of having installations fall in at set times, we wanted it to be fast paced, with a bit of chaos and lots of action.
Could we earn those Installation drops Via Warpoints? Then structure placements aren't static... Would allow for my dynamic battlefields.. a sense of it always changing and something new happening, with the added bonus of engaging ones analytical mind.
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8213
BIG BAD W0LVES
1138
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Posted - 2013.12.20 03:56:00 -
[173] - Quote
Atiim wrote:Sclompton Face-Smasher wrote:Atiim wrote:HOLY CRAP A CORP MATE USES THE FORUMS! Corp buddy!! I thought I'd never see the day. I finally have a real forum friend. Also, were you the one sniping in those FW matches? Or was that Ruunt?
I honestly thought that was an alt of your Atiim, lol.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
2304
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Posted - 2013.12.20 04:17:00 -
[174] - Quote
8213 wrote:
I honestly thought that was an alt of your Atiim, lol.
Nah. I haven't been banned yet...
Though I really wonder how when I say/do things that would get almost anyone banned with the drop of a hat.
Sclompton's just a friend of mine. Real good sniper too.
Holy Fudgenipples!!!
MY HMG WORKS!!! IT ACTUALLY WORKS!!!
\o/
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
720
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Posted - 2013.12.20 05:10:00 -
[175] - Quote
Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:Well then carry on with your frontline infantry rant, I've heard all of them too.
*shrugs*
Have fun.
He is right you know... You may do well against weak randoms in starter fits with your 'thale' but it just does not make the cut against anyone worthwhile.
Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
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2Berries
Red Star Jr.
EoN.
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8213 wrote:I knew I'd catch flack for pointing out the obvious and trying to taint the Sniper's Illusion of Grandeur, but back to the topic. Should they be allowed to snipe from behind the redline?
You have a good RL point, but this would be a match killer. Redlining teams seems to happen in any game mode. Once a team is forced back there is no reason to play. Can't advance & would now lose the possibility of earning the WP for orbital.
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
720
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Posted - 2013.12.20 05:26:00 -
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:8213 wrote:I knew I'd catch flack for pointing out the obvious and trying to taint the Sniper's Illusion of Grandeur, but back to the topic. Should they be allowed to snipe from behind the redline? The real question is, should brainless AR users be allowed to pointlessly run in circles around an abandoned objective? The ratio of AR users to snipers who do nothing in a battle is far higher. Meat shield dies 20 times... x3 meats = 60 of 100 clones down the drain. In case you forget clones can loose the battle as well. I'd rather have a useless sniper on a hill than a useless AR user careening us to clone defeat.
Typically the snipers only start scorring kills when the game's outcome has already been decided. Either the opposite team is spawn camped or it has already won and its members recklessly run around because they are getting bored. Sure in this case snipers can get a few kills but those kills count for nothing as far as game's outcome is concerned.
Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
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Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
1895
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Posted - 2013.12.20 06:09:00 -
[178] - Quote
8213 wrote:I was playing around tonight and noticed two things that sort of tie into one another.
Since CCP's new Executive Producer wanted to "turn up the action", I noticed something in Ambush OMS games and it ties to an earlier thought I had about redline sniping.
First things first: Redline Snipers.
You know when you play basketball, and if you shoot the ball and goes into the basket, but your foot stepped out of bounds, the shot doesn't count? Why would a sniper be allowed to sit out of bounds and still get rewarded with doing damage?
Now, I'm not venting about it. In fact, snipers are MEANINGLESS in this game. They don't contribute, even in Ambush game modes. Snipers can b*tch all they want about that, but face facts; snipers make no impact on games other than being nuisances. If I get killed by one, I really don't care, because its only one death and it won't happen again.
These maps are plenty big enough where the sniper can still have major distance without being out of bounds in the red zone.
You've never seen Nod Keras... not a redline sniper but saying snipers are useless is a bit far.
A-Teams win Battles B-Teams win Campaigns C-Teams win Wars
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
4259
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Posted - 2013.12.20 06:21:00 -
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Redline "Snipers" aren't Snipers.
Just like redline Railgun tanks aren't real tankers.
Just like FOTM Logissaults were never really Logis.
A good Sniper will never be found behind the redline until the rest of the team has already been pushed back there. |
ugg reset
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
419
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Posted - 2013.12.20 06:53:00 -
[180] - Quote
quando omni flunkus, moritati
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8213
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Posted - 2013.12.20 07:15:00 -
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Poonmunch wrote:Asirius Medaius wrote:8213 wrote: Now, I'm not venting about it. In fact, snipers are MEANINGLESS in this game. Stopped reading right there; Just another scrub of a player without the wit to understand the numerous roles a sniper can take. I'm going to stop typing now before I feel like I have wasted too much time talking to inbreds with no sense of real critical thinking. Yah, stuff like that bugs me too. But my in-game mail frequently has a few angry, insulting messages from my victims in it. Munch
Well, when you actually contribute to a match more than just aggravating the other team, let me know. When matches can be won by the amount of hatemail you receive let me know.
Yes, snipers p*ss people off... but they don't contribute to games, EVER. Not once has a game been decided by which ever team had the better snipers. Because they are 1 dimensional roles that teams can do with, or without.
Snipers are just selfish players who only care about their own KD. Look at the leaderboards, look at the highest KDs in the game. They are all snipers... then look at their win/loss ratios...
I've been playing this game for quite a while, and have NEVER seen a sniper make a difference in a game, or be a game changer. Not once. Out the 100,000s of matches I have played.
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Phazoid
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
141
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Posted - 2013.12.20 07:37:00 -
[182] - Quote
8213 wrote:Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:I beg to differ... Snipers are not meaningless in this game
When I snipe, my team notices my impact.
Due to my Thale, we have one of our objectives permanently safe, that tower-camping swarmer/forger terrorizing our derpships/infantry is dead, and enemy AV infantry get shot to pieces allowing my team's HAV to run rampant in half of the map.
Sounds like you just hate crappy snipers... But bad snipers are no different then the useless AR nutters who die 17 times score 150 warpoints. Dude... don't give me the Sniper wishful thinking rant.. I've heard it 1000x... You wish you could single handedly defend an objective. You wish you could pop an enemy's head off just as he's about to kill your teammate, being a hero... you wish you could earn enough kills to balance out the bottom half of your team... you wish all of that BUT YOU CAN'T... I've never seen it, witnessed it, or even heard about... A sniper gets about 1 key shot every game, if they are lucky, that's it. All you do is kill Scouts and Starter Fits, and coutnersnipe the other useless snipers on the other team. DUST 514 Fact: The team with the most snipers, LOSES everytime.
im sorry but i beg to differ, i have been on squads with snipers, and they provide fire support as well as enemy locations, one time me as a scout captured a null cannon alone vs 7 enemies thanks to that sniper that gave me info and killed 3 of them, i agree with you on the redline snipers, and GOOD snipers can kill target enemies that are destroying your team
Ib'tuur jatne tuur ash'ad kyr'amur (Today is a good day for someone else to die).
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Terisea Ming
WarRavens
League of Infamy
0
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Posted - 2013.12.20 07:40:00 -
[183] - Quote
8213 wrote:Poonmunch wrote:Asirius Medaius wrote:8213 wrote: Now, I'm not venting about it. In fact, snipers are MEANINGLESS in this game. Stopped reading right there; Just another scrub of a player without the wit to understand the numerous roles a sniper can take. I'm going to stop typing now before I feel like I have wasted too much time talking to inbreds with no sense of real critical thinking. Yah, stuff like that bugs me too. But my in-game mail frequently has a few angry, insulting messages from my victims in it. Munch Well, when you actually contribute to a match more than just aggravating the other team, let me know. When matches can be won by the amount of hatemail you receive let me know. Yes, snipers p*ss people off... but they don't contribute to games, EVER. Not once has a game been decided by which ever team had the better snipers. Because they are 1 dimensional roles that teams can do with, or without. Snipers are just selfish players who only care about their own KD. Look at the leaderboards, look at the highest KDs in the game. They are all snipers... then look at their win/loss ratios... I've been playing this game for quite a while, and have NEVER seen a sniper make a difference in a game, or be a game changer. Not once. Out the 100,000s of matches I have played.
I guess I'm not a real sniper then as I constantly do my best to not shoot from the red line, I don't care about my KDR, I report enemy movements to my squad-mates, and I harass the enemy from a distance in an attempt to make my corp-mate's lives on the battlefield easier.
That and I'm still practicing hitting moving targets. |
8213
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Posted - 2013.12.20 07:42:00 -
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Phazoid wrote:8213 wrote:Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:I beg to differ... Snipers are not meaningless in this game
When I snipe, my team notices my impact.
Due to my Thale, we have one of our objectives permanently safe, that tower-camping swarmer/forger terrorizing our derpships/infantry is dead, and enemy AV infantry get shot to pieces allowing my team's HAV to run rampant in half of the map.
Sounds like you just hate crappy snipers... But bad snipers are no different then the useless AR nutters who die 17 times score 150 warpoints. Dude... don't give me the Sniper wishful thinking rant.. I've heard it 1000x... You wish you could single handedly defend an objective. You wish you could pop an enemy's head off just as he's about to kill your teammate, being a hero... you wish you could earn enough kills to balance out the bottom half of your team... you wish all of that BUT YOU CAN'T... I've never seen it, witnessed it, or even heard about... A sniper gets about 1 key shot every game, if they are lucky, that's it. All you do is kill Scouts and Starter Fits, and coutnersnipe the other useless snipers on the other team. DUST 514 Fact: The team with the most snipers, LOSES everytime. im sorry but i beg to differ, i have been on squads with snipers, and they provide fire support as well as enemy locations, one time me as a scout captured a null cannon alone vs 7 enemies thanks to that sniper that gave me info and killed 3 of them, i agree with you on the redline snipers, and GOOD snipers can kill target enemies that are destroying your team
It took 3 people to capture a NULL cannon against 7 enemies? I do that by myself at least once a game, without my squad even aware where I am during it. I'll here my squad say "a blueberry hacked Alpha, cool." That blueberry was ME by myself.
Or when I say, "okay, I can't hold Delta anymore..." and my squad leader will say "why are you at Delta?" and I'll say "I've been holding it off against 8 guys for the last 5 minutes by myself. They finally got me." |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens
League of Infamy
441
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Posted - 2013.12.20 07:50:00 -
[185] - Quote
8213 wrote:Phazoid wrote:8213 wrote:Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:I beg to differ... Snipers are not meaningless in this game
When I snipe, my team notices my impact.
Due to my Thale, we have one of our objectives permanently safe, that tower-camping swarmer/forger terrorizing our derpships/infantry is dead, and enemy AV infantry get shot to pieces allowing my team's HAV to run rampant in half of the map.
Sounds like you just hate crappy snipers... But bad snipers are no different then the useless AR nutters who die 17 times score 150 warpoints. Dude... don't give me the Sniper wishful thinking rant.. I've heard it 1000x... You wish you could single handedly defend an objective. You wish you could pop an enemy's head off just as he's about to kill your teammate, being a hero... you wish you could earn enough kills to balance out the bottom half of your team... you wish all of that BUT YOU CAN'T... I've never seen it, witnessed it, or even heard about... A sniper gets about 1 key shot every game, if they are lucky, that's it. All you do is kill Scouts and Starter Fits, and coutnersnipe the other useless snipers on the other team. DUST 514 Fact: The team with the most snipers, LOSES everytime. im sorry but i beg to differ, i have been on squads with snipers, and they provide fire support as well as enemy locations, one time me as a scout captured a null cannon alone vs 7 enemies thanks to that sniper that gave me info and killed 3 of them, i agree with you on the redline snipers, and GOOD snipers can kill target enemies that are destroying your team It took 3 people to capture a NULL cannon against 7 enemies? I do that by myself at least once a game, without my squad even aware where I am during it. I'll here my squad say "a blueberry hacked Alpha, cool." That blueberry was ME by myself. Or when I say, "okay, I can't hold Delta anymore..." and my squad leader will say "why are you at Delta?" and I'll say "I've been holding it off against 8 guys for the last 5 minutes by myself. They finally got me."
You tell 'em buddy. Get the sniper community really riled up. But if you do **** them off, stay out of faction warfare. They might just start tagging you to keep your shields and armor low so you'll be easy pickings for the enemy team. I'd probably pay to watch that. LOL
I still can't find tanks on the market. All I see are those HAVs.
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Kahn Zo
Furyan Alpha
158
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Posted - 2013.12.20 07:51:00 -
[186] - Quote
your so fukn bent.
go play in ambush and be done with your QQ
Pure Gallente
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8213
BIG BAD W0LVES
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Posted - 2013.12.20 07:51:00 -
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Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:8213 wrote:Phazoid wrote:8213 wrote:Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:I beg to differ... Snipers are not meaningless in this game
When I snipe, my team notices my impact.
Due to my Thale, we have one of our objectives permanently safe, that tower-camping swarmer/forger terrorizing our derpships/infantry is dead, and enemy AV infantry get shot to pieces allowing my team's HAV to run rampant in half of the map.
Sounds like you just hate crappy snipers... But bad snipers are no different then the useless AR nutters who die 17 times score 150 warpoints. Dude... don't give me the Sniper wishful thinking rant.. I've heard it 1000x... You wish you could single handedly defend an objective. You wish you could pop an enemy's head off just as he's about to kill your teammate, being a hero... you wish you could earn enough kills to balance out the bottom half of your team... you wish all of that BUT YOU CAN'T... I've never seen it, witnessed it, or even heard about... A sniper gets about 1 key shot every game, if they are lucky, that's it. All you do is kill Scouts and Starter Fits, and coutnersnipe the other useless snipers on the other team. DUST 514 Fact: The team with the most snipers, LOSES everytime. im sorry but i beg to differ, i have been on squads with snipers, and they provide fire support as well as enemy locations, one time me as a scout captured a null cannon alone vs 7 enemies thanks to that sniper that gave me info and killed 3 of them, i agree with you on the redline snipers, and GOOD snipers can kill target enemies that are destroying your team It took 3 people to capture a NULL cannon against 7 enemies? I do that by myself at least once a game, without my squad even aware where I am during it. I'll here my squad say "a blueberry hacked Alpha, cool." That blueberry was ME by myself. Or when I say, "okay, I can't hold Delta anymore..." and my squad leader will say "why are you at Delta?" and I'll say "I've been holding it off against 8 guys for the last 5 minutes by myself. They finally got me." You tell 'em buddy. Get the sniper community really riled up. But if you do **** them off, stay out of faction warfare. They might just start tagging you to keep your shields and armor low so you'll be easy pickings for the enemy team. I'd probably pay to watch that. LOL
Sir, they already do it. I get mail all the time from snipers who are out for me...
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Sleepy Zan
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2013.12.20 08:21:00 -
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I was at work and felt a disturbance in the forum regarding snipers, it looks like I found the source.
8213 wrote:I was playing around tonight and noticed two things that sort of tie into one another.
Since CCP's new Executive Producer wanted to "turn up the action", I noticed something in Ambush OMS games and it ties to an earlier thought I had about redline sniping.
First things first: Redline Snipers.
You know when you play basketball, and if you shoot the ball and goes into the basket, but your foot stepped out of bounds, the shot doesn't count? Why would a sniper be allowed to sit out of bounds and still get rewarded with doing damage?
Now, I'm not venting about it. In fact, snipers are MEANINGLESS in this game. They don't contribute, even in Ambush game modes. Snipers can b*tch all they want about that, but face facts; snipers make no impact on games other than being nuisances. If I get killed by one, I really don't care, because its only one death and it won't happen again.
These maps are plenty big enough where the sniper can still have major distance without being out of bounds in the red zone.
First off about the "out of bounds" remark, when you shoot a basketball from out of bounds it still goes in the basket even through you can say it doesn't count. I would enjoy watching to teams with guns make a line to show where out of bounds is, then have a guy shoot another man through the head from out of bounds, and then watch how well the man with a hole in his skull explains that he is not dead.
Secondly, don't tell me that snipers are meaningless just because you are meaningless as a sniper. You say snipers don't make an impact in the game when in actuality you should be saying bad players don't make an impact in the game. Give that same sniper kid an AR and he will probably do just as bad.
8213 wrote:How this ties into tighter maps: Shrinking games?
In all the Ambush OMS games I played tonight, as I looked over the map before i spawned in I noticed how small the space was. We were playing OMS in standard Ambush spaces, and Turrets even dropped. I am wondering if this is one of CCPs attempts to turn up the action? Because all those Ambush games were over in 5 minutes, just like a standard Ambush game would be, because the time between kill waves is tighter because of the tighter maps.
If this is the case, then smaller maps will hurt snipers in this game and render them to Call of Duty type of playstyles because you can't get enough distance between you and the enemy. But at the same time, I had good Shotgun performances tonight because of the tighter maps. I suppose tighter OMS games wouldn't be a bad thing, as long as the large games stay in the rotation as well.
This I do agree with, there should be different sized maps to force you to adapt to different play styles. Also increase the clone count on the smaller maps.
the Nunc Stans Soldier
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Sclompton Face-Smasher
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.12.23 23:15:00 -
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8213 wrote:Poonmunch wrote:Asirius Medaius wrote:8213 wrote: Now, I'm not venting about it. In fact, snipers are MEANINGLESS in this game. Stopped reading right there; Just another scrub of a player without the wit to understand the numerous roles a sniper can take. I'm going to stop typing now before I feel like I have wasted too much time talking to inbreds with no sense of real critical thinking. Yah, stuff like that bugs me too. But my in-game mail frequently has a few angry, insulting messages from my victims in it. Munch Well, when you actually contribute to a match more than just aggravating the other team, let me know. When matches can be won by the amount of hatemail you receive let me know. Yes, snipers p*ss people off... but they don't contribute to games, EVER. Not once has a game been decided by which ever team had the better snipers. Because they are 1 dimensional roles that teams can do with, or without. Snipers are just selfish players who only care about their own KD. Look at the leaderboards, look at the highest KDs in the game. They are all snipers... then look at their win/loss ratios... I've been playing this game for quite a while, and have NEVER seen a sniper make a difference in a game, or be a game changer. Not once. Out the 100,000s of matches I have played.
Then you dont deserve to Dust or be able to lick CCP's left *** cheek if you NEVER have seen a sniper make a difference in a game in the 100,000's of matches you played. Also stfu about snipers and K/D. It's all about being able to even use your fit in the first place whether it's pure in-game isk, AUR, or loyalty. Plus with all the tankers and sad excuses of tankers, people with OP ranged weapons and Active scanners that ARE trying to pad their K/D out there; there will be an over excess of new snipers that sit in the red line JUST to get away from all the BS that people like you want us (not talking about me or any other snipers like me) to be a part of. Plus don't even try to sound like your the "glamorus" assault, frontline grunt that has ever been added to Dust when i've seen you personally wear FOTM and run around acting llike your the **** just because of your suit/ weapon you used. Also while i'm at it.... doesn't it **** with your brain and psyche when you know if you go a certain way or into a certain area of the map on any game that you'll be pecked or killed by a sniper? Or how about since us snipers have had a set DPS since life on New Eden we get compensation for it just like all of the AR's and new variations of it with the ability to hit anyone with 500+ damage in a few seconds? I don't know like a damage BUFF or at least give every sniper the zoom of a Thale's TAR 07' Sniper Rifle (I put the whole name for a reason) just because your OP rifles keep getting better and better. Oh wait!! That's too unreasonable because the grunts are getting mad that their getting shot from somewhere that they have to RUN to shoot their next victim. I mean seriously how mad can you get when a "Redline Sniper" (don't care if they were there all game or not) stops red berries from going a certain way just so you grunts can continue stockpiling your kills that... wait for it... YOU grunts are so happy about because that means... wait again you can redline them!! Just like you always want to happen so you can get your precious SP which help EVERYONE out. |
Hunter Junko
Sebiestor Field Sappers
Minmatar Republic
223
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Posted - 2013.12.23 23:48:00 -
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well, someone's had their skulls popped by a sniper's round too many times to be trying to insult the snipers in this game (or maybe just the bad ones)
if they are that worthless to you, wouldnt it be simple to just Ignore them?
i've been a sniper once in this character, and from the looks of it, you havent, so let me explain blunty:
the impact they have is subtle, the kind that you dont notice while your running and gunning blazing that AR. they can cover more ground from farther distances and be able to gather information on enemy wherabouts faster than scanners would. all it takes is a squad to notice and capitalize on that precious, slight advantage.
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Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
3325
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Posted - 2013.12.24 00:20:00 -
[191] - Quote
CCP LogicLoop wrote:You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.
http://www.somethingofthatilk.com/index.php?id=7
I'll just leave that there
We used to have a time machine
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Piraten Hovnoret
No Tax Scrubs
139
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Posted - 2013.12.24 01:13:00 -
[192] - Quote
Sniping is boring
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8213
BIG BAD W0LVES
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Posted - 2013.12.24 02:04:00 -
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Sclompton Face-Smasher wrote:8213 wrote:Poonmunch wrote:Asirius Medaius wrote:8213 wrote: Now, I'm not venting about it. In fact, snipers are MEANINGLESS in this game. Stopped reading right there; Just another scrub of a player without the wit to understand the numerous roles a sniper can take. I'm going to stop typing now before I feel like I have wasted too much time talking to inbreds with no sense of real critical thinking. Yah, stuff like that bugs me too. But my in-game mail frequently has a few angry, insulting messages from my victims in it. Munch Well, when you actually contribute to a match more than just aggravating the other team, let me know. When matches can be won by the amount of hatemail you receive let me know. Yes, snipers p*ss people off... but they don't contribute to games, EVER. Not once has a game been decided by which ever team had the better snipers. Because they are 1 dimensional roles that teams can do with, or without. Snipers are just selfish players who only care about their own KD. Look at the leaderboards, look at the highest KDs in the game. They are all snipers... then look at their win/loss ratios... I've been playing this game for quite a while, and have NEVER seen a sniper make a difference in a game, or be a game changer. Not once. Out the 100,000s of matches I have played. Then you dont deserve to Dust or be able to lick CCP's left *** cheek if you NEVER have seen a sniper make a difference in a game in the 100,000's of matches you played. Also stfu about snipers and K/D. It's all about being able to even use your fit in the first place whether it's pure in-game isk, AUR, or loyalty. Plus with all the tankers and sad excuses of tankers, people with OP ranged weapons and Active scanners that ARE trying to pad their K/D out there; there will be an over excess of new snipers that sit in the red line JUST to get away from all the BS that people like you want us (not talking about me or any other snipers like me) to be a part of. Plus don't even try to sound like your the "glamorus" assault, frontline grunt that has ever been added to Dust when i've seen you personally wear FOTM and run around acting llike your the **** just because of your suit/ weapon you used. Also while i'm at it.... doesn't it **** with your brain and psyche when you know if you go a certain way or into a certain area of the map on any game that you'll be pecked or killed by a sniper? Or how about since us snipers have had a set DPS since life on New Eden we get compensation for it just like all of the AR's and new variations of it with the ability to hit anyone with 500+ damage in a few seconds? I don't know like a damage BUFF or at least give every sniper the zoom of a Thale's TAR 07' Sniper Rifle (I put the whole name for a reason) just because your OP rifles keep getting better and better. Oh wait!! That's too unreasonable because the grunts are getting mad that their getting shot from somewhere that they have to RUN to shoot their next victim. I mean seriously how mad can you get when a "Redline Sniper" (don't care if they were there all game or not) stops red berries from going a certain way just so you grunts can continue stockpiling your kills that... wait for it... YOU grunts are so happy about because that means... wait again you can redline them!! Just like you always want to happen so you can get your precious SP which help EVERYONE out.
Fish in a bucket!
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Leonid Tybalt
DIOS EX.
General Tso's Alliance
20
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Posted - 2013.12.24 02:20:00 -
[194] - Quote
8213 wrote:Now, I'm not venting about it. In fact, snipers are MEANINGLESS in this game. They don't contribute, even in Ambush game modes. Snipers can b*tch all they want about that, but face facts; snipers make no impact on games other than being nuisances.
Bwahaha! You funny kid you tell funny joke!
Im not into sniping personally, but I've tried it and know a few of the "sniper sweet spots" in a variety of maps. It most CERTAINLY makes a difference when you got good snipers against you.
Also, good snipers rarely hide behind the redline because very few maps contain sweet spots in the redline.
Where are these sweet spots you ask? Well for starters, take a stroll on the map in a few pub matches and see if you can find the places where you can sit far away in overwatch of two or more null cannons with a clear line of sight to anyone who tries to hack them.
Then come and tell me that "snipers are only a nuisance". |
8213
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Sclompton Face-Smasher wrote:
Then you dont deserve to Dust or be able to lick CCP's left *** cheek if you NEVER have seen a sniper make a difference in a game in the 100,000's of matches you played. Also stfu about snipers and K/D. It's all about being able to even use your fit in the first place whether it's pure in-game isk, AUR, or loyalty. Plus with all the tankers and sad excuses of tankers, people with OP ranged weapons and Active scanners that ARE trying to pad their K/D out there; there will be an over excess of new snipers that sit in the red line JUST to get away from all the BS that people like you want us (not talking about me or any other snipers like me) to be a part of. Plus don't even try to sound like your the "glamorus" assault, frontline grunt that has ever been added to Dust when i've seen you personally wear FOTM and run around acting llike your the **** just because of your suit/ weapon you used. Also while i'm at it.... doesn't it **** with your brain and psyche when you know if you go a certain way or into a certain area of the map on any game that you'll be pecked or killed by a sniper? Or how about since us snipers have had a set DPS since life on New Eden we get compensation for it just like all of the AR's and new variations of it with the ability to hit anyone with 500+ damage in a few seconds? I don't know like a damage BUFF or at least give every sniper the zoom of a Thale's TAR 07' Sniper Rifle (I put the whole name for a reason) just because your OP rifles keep getting better and better. Oh wait!! That's too unreasonable because the grunts are getting mad that their getting shot from somewhere that they have to RUN to shoot their next victim. I mean seriously how mad can you get when a "Redline Sniper" (don't care if they were there all game or not) stops red berries from going a certain way just so you grunts can continue stockpiling your kills that... wait for it... YOU grunts are so happy about because that means... wait again you can redline them!! Just like you always want to happen so you can get your precious SP which help EVERYONE out.
All of what you said has been noted elsewhere in the thread. Im planning proper sniper research soon. I want to dive into your world and hopefully learn something.
But my DUST career has been as follows:
Scout SG
Caldari Shield tank assault w/ AR
Tanking (before 1.7)
Currently Amarr (Assault/SCR combo) fighting for Caldari mostly
Next I will be Forge Gunning (currently at lvl 4)
So, what FoTM have you seen me use? I don't even think I own any FoTM gear, especially at the time of the FoTM.
Its really all I want to address about your post.
Fish in a bucket!
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Sclompton Face-Smasher
Living Like Larry Schwag
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8213 wrote:Sclompton Face-Smasher wrote:
Then you dont deserve to Dust or be able to lick CCP's left *** cheek if you NEVER have seen a sniper make a difference in a game in the 100,000's of matches you played. Also stfu about snipers and K/D. It's all about being able to even use your fit in the first place whether it's pure in-game isk, AUR, or loyalty. Plus with all the tankers and sad excuses of tankers, people with OP ranged weapons and Active scanners that ARE trying to pad their K/D out there; there will be an over excess of new snipers that sit in the red line JUST to get away from all the BS that people like you want us (not talking about me or any other snipers like me) to be a part of. Plus don't even try to sound like your the "glamorus" assault, frontline grunt that has ever been added to Dust when i've seen you personally wear FOTM and run around acting llike your the **** just because of your suit/ weapon you used. Also while i'm at it.... doesn't it **** with your brain and psyche when you know if you go a certain way or into a certain area of the map on any game that you'll be pecked or killed by a sniper? Or how about since us snipers have had a set DPS since life on New Eden we get compensation for it just like all of the AR's and new variations of it with the ability to hit anyone with 500+ damage in a few seconds? I don't know like a damage BUFF or at least give every sniper the zoom of a Thale's TAR 07' Sniper Rifle (I put the whole name for a reason) just because your OP rifles keep getting better and better. Oh wait!! That's too unreasonable because the grunts are getting mad that their getting shot from somewhere that they have to RUN to shoot their next victim. I mean seriously how mad can you get when a "Redline Sniper" (don't care if they were there all game or not) stops red berries from going a certain way just so you grunts can continue stockpiling your kills that... wait for it... YOU grunts are so happy about because that means... wait again you can redline them!! Just like you always want to happen so you can get your precious SP which help EVERYONE out.
All of what you said has been noted elsewhere in the thread. Im planning proper sniper research soon. I want to dive into your world and hopefully learn something. But my DUST career has been as follows: Scout SG Caldari Shield tank assault w/ AR Tanking (before 1.7) Currently Amarr (Assault/SCR combo) fighting for Caldari mostly Next I will be Forge Gunning (currently at lvl 4) So, what FoTM have you seen me use? I don't even think I own any FoTM gear, especially at the time of the FoTM. Its really all I want to address about your post.
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GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
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Lol to all the snipers u guys are camping turds no matter if u get 1 kill or 100
No 1 gives two fucks go back to sleep.
G£«ASSAULT AK.0 !!!!!*G£«
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Sclompton Face-Smasher
Living Like Larry Schwag
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GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR wrote:Lol to all the snipers u guys are camping turds no matter if u get 1 kill or 100
No 1 gives two fucks go back to sleep.
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Poonmunch
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
715
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Posted - 2013.12.29 04:51:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:If you want to hear a scout say they were the hero of a battle once, I'll tell you a true story:
Both teams had about 1/4 of their MCC HP left. My team had just hacked an objective that would put the null cannon count in our favor 3-2. I killed a counter hacker, and then another, and then another. In my Minnie Scout.
Cool. That's great and I'm glad a scoutbro can contribute like that.
On a similar note: I do that dozens of times each week. All dedicated snipers do.
On another note: You can take the redline away OP but I want the sniper rifle damage and ranges to be scaled properly. Give me accurate long range rendering. This means making sniper scopes much, much better. With a proper scope, your body will fill my scope at 500m.
In real life, an average sniper should be able to kill reliably out to 1000m. The best that I'm aware of was a Canadian who killed a Taliban guy at 2430m. Master Corporal Rob Furlong of the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry.
I'll be happy if I can sit back 1000m and harvest skulls. Trust me, you won't want to walk that far to get me. You'll just get tired and I'll have moved on anyway.
Munch
Dedicated Sniper.
Minmatar Patriot (5).
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Sclompton Face-Smasher
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.12.29 04:56:00 -
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Poonmunch wrote:LUGMOS wrote:If you want to hear a scout say they were the hero of a battle once, I'll tell you a true story:
Both teams had about 1/4 of their MCC HP left. My team had just hacked an objective that would put the null cannon count in our favor 3-2. I killed a counter hacker, and then another, and then another. In my Minnie Scout. Cool. That's great and I'm glad a scoutbro can contribute like that. On a similar note: I do that dozens of times each week. All dedicated snipers do. On another note: You can take the redline away OP but I want the sniper rifle damage and ranges to be scaled properly. Give me accurate long range rendering. This means making sniper scopes much, much better. With a proper scope, your body will fill my scope at 500m. In real life, an average sniper should be able to kill reliably out to 1000m. The best that I'm aware of was a Canadian who killed a Taliban guy at 2430m. Master Corporal Rob Furlong of the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry. I'll be happy if I can sit back 1000m and harvest skulls. Trust me, you won't want to walk that far to get me. You'll just get tired and I'll have moved on anyway. Munch
I like that proposition and how do you get the words on the bottom of all of your comments?
I mean the dedicated sniper part |
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Poonmunch
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.12.29 05:01:00 -
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Sclompton Face-Smasher wrote:Poonmunch wrote:LUGMOS wrote:If you want to hear a scout say they were the hero of a battle once, I'll tell you a true story:
Both teams had about 1/4 of their MCC HP left. My team had just hacked an objective that would put the null cannon count in our favor 3-2. I killed a counter hacker, and then another, and then another. In my Minnie Scout. Cool. That's great and I'm glad a scoutbro can contribute like that. On a similar note: I do that dozens of times each week. All dedicated snipers do. On another note: You can take the redline away OP but I want the sniper rifle damage and ranges to be scaled properly. Give me accurate long range rendering. This means making sniper scopes much, much better. With a proper scope, your body will fill my scope at 500m. In real life, an average sniper should be able to kill reliably out to 1000m. The best that I'm aware of was a Canadian who killed a Taliban guy at 2430m. Master Corporal Rob Furlong of the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry. I'll be happy if I can sit back 1000m and harvest skulls. Trust me, you won't want to walk that far to get me. You'll just get tired and I'll have moved on anyway. Munch I like that proposition and how do you get the words on the bottom of all of your comments? I mean the dedicated sniper part
Scroll to the top of this page. Look for the SETTINGS tab. Your personal stuff is in there. One of the areas lets you add the words you want at the bottom of all of your posts.
Munch
Dedicated Sniper.
Minmatar Patriot (5).
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Poonmunch
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.12.29 05:25:00 -
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8213 wrote:All of what you said has been noted elsewhere in the thread. Im planning proper sniper research soon. I want to dive into your world and hopefully learn something.
Now THAT would be awesome.
Welcome to the fraternity!
Here is your key and secret handshake.
The beer bong is in the dining room. You can do some lines off Biance's ass if you go upstairs. Aerosmith and Guns 'n' Roses are going to be playing in the basement later. The no-limit poker table is in the garage. There are some nice Cuban cigars in the humidor.
Munch
Dedicated Sniper.
Minmatar Patriot (5).
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Vesago Ghostcore
Rejected Clones
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I am a Sniper. If the map calls for it. If it doesnt, I run Logi or Assault... haven't really gotten a feel for the scout or heavy yet, but I do both from time to time.
If Objective C is tightly overrun with red dots, and is in a position of high cover I might spawn in an HMG. If there are no uplinks on the bridge I might spawn in a Logi and try to open the gates as it were. If B is a mess, and uplinks aren't an issue i might spawn in my min assault.
I am average, maybe a little better in CQC, but I do it all the time...
And if a bunch of red dots drop uplinks in the open... if the map is suited to sniping... If ive died 6 times already to proto stomping badasses... if we are losing but the clone count of the enemy is in the teens... If there are 5 tanks killing everything wholesale, and my squad needs a competant spotter... Or if i just plain feel like it.... I snipe.
***** all you want about the snipers in the redline killing you, that's your right. Maybe you haven't noticed that guys on your side are doing it too. Guess what, sometimes it takes a sniper to kill a sniper. I do it all the time. You can ask anyone that's played with me in squad, if someone says "Sniper!" my first word is "Where?" and i will hunt the guy down. I think this is probably happening more than you realize.
Sure I have ridiculous matches where i kill in the high 20's, but most times I get a lot less kills sniping because I'm taking my job seriously. I will ignore the easy shots to put 3-4 charge shots into a FG sniping Heavy with 1500 HP. I will chase a sniper into his own redline and kill him with my SMG if i need to. I move all over the place because once you find me i'm dead. I pay 47k for a rifle because I must. The "Covenant" just doesn't get the job done... And all those Assists... that's cause i just made the difference between you... the assault ...killing the guy that was about to tear you down in a one on one.
I don't own a Thales, just havent been lucky enough to get one yet. If I do, I'll probably use them from the redline...
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Sclompton Face-Smasher
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.12.29 06:15:00 -
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Vesago Ghostcore wrote:I am a Sniper. If the map calls for it. If it doesnt, I run Logi or Assault... haven't really gotten a feel for the scout or heavy yet, but I do both from time to time.
If Objective C is tightly overrun with red dots, and is in a position of high cover I might spawn in an HMG. If there are no uplinks on the bridge I might spawn in a Logi and try to open the gates as it were. If B is a mess, and uplinks aren't an issue i might spawn in my min assault.
I am average, maybe a little better in CQC, but I do it all the time...
And if a bunch of red dots drop uplinks in the open... if the map is suited to sniping... If ive died 6 times already to proto stomping badasses... if we are losing but the clone count of the enemy is in the teens... If there are 5 tanks killing everything wholesale, and my squad needs a competant spotter... Or if i just plain feel like it.... I snipe.
***** all you want about the snipers in the redline killing you, that's your right. Maybe you haven't noticed that guys on your side are doing it too. Guess what, sometimes it takes a sniper to kill a sniper. I do it all the time. You can ask anyone that's played with me in squad, if someone says "Sniper!" my first word is "Where?" and i will hunt the guy down. I think this is probably happening more than you realize.
Sure I have ridiculous matches where i kill in the high 20's, but most times I get a lot less kills sniping because I'm taking my job seriously. I will ignore the easy shots to put 3-4 charge shots into a FG sniping Heavy with 1500 HP. I will chase a sniper into his own redline and kill him with my SMG if i need to. I move all over the place because once you find me i'm dead. I pay 47k for a rifle because I must. The "Covenant" just doesn't get the job done... And all those Assists... that's cause i just made the difference between you... the assault ...killing the guy that was about to tear you down in a one on one.
I don't own a Thales, just havent been lucky enough to get one yet. If I do, I'll probably use them from the redline...
Your welcome.
Let the grunts do what they must and die leave them to their COD514 **** mag with pictures of a broken-up rail rifle and flower on a Gallente Logi Gk.0 |
Leonid Tybalt
Dark Knightz Corp.
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Posted - 2013.12.30 14:01:00 -
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Poonmunch wrote:LUGMOS wrote:If you want to hear a scout say they were the hero of a battle once, I'll tell you a true story:
Both teams had about 1/4 of their MCC HP left. My team had just hacked an objective that would put the null cannon count in our favor 3-2. I killed a counter hacker, and then another, and then another. In my Minnie Scout. Cool. That's great and I'm glad a scoutbro can contribute like that. On a similar note: I do that dozens of times each week. All dedicated snipers do. On another note: You can take the redline away OP but I want the sniper rifle damage and ranges to be scaled properly. Give me accurate long range rendering. This means making sniper scopes much, much better. With a proper scope, your body will fill my scope at 500m. In real life, an average sniper should be able to kill reliably out to 1000m. The best that I'm aware of was a Canadian who killed a Taliban guy at 2430m. Master Corporal Rob Furlong of the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry. I'll be happy if I can sit back 1000m and harvest skulls. Trust me, you won't want to walk that far to get me. You'll just get tired and I'll have moved on anyway. Munch
Let's not get carried away here. Snipers in dust already have an easy time because their sci-fi sniper rifles don't suffer from bullet drop but rather go in a completely straight line regardless of range.
Hitting a target at 1000 meters away requires some serious compensation for wind and bullet-drop for real world snipers, so unless you're gonna be forced to deal with that, then getting even more range with the SR will end up in the realm of OP. |
Jammeh McJam
Robbing The Hood
Public Disorder.
65
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8213 wrote:Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:8213 wrote:I knew I'd catch flack for pointing out the obvious and trying to taint the Sniper's Illusion of Grandeur, but back to the topic. Should they be allowed to snipe from behind the redline? The real question is, should brainless AR users be allowed to pointlessly run in circles around an abandoned objective? The ratio of AR users to snipers who do nothing in a battle is far higher. Meat shield dies 20 times... x3 meats = 60 of 100 clones down the drain. In case you forget clones can loose the battle as well. I'd rather have a useless sniper on a hill than a useless AR user careening us to clone defeat. What is it about you guys that you all assume everyone is an AR user? Or better yet, I get accused of being an AR Wh0re on this board all the time; like its an insult... Newflash: I DO NOT USE THE AR!! Not everyone is convinced that's the only way to play this game (although I'll probably convert sooner than later) I'll still take those meat shields on my team, because they can: -hack objectives -get more kills cause they aren't restricted to one side of a map -farm WP by being a Logi all sniper think about is their KD, because its the only stat they have that's impressive. Yet all the highest KDs in the game have the worst Win/loss percentages I have ever seen... when DUST has a game mode that rewards you team with winning by having the single best KD on the team, then I'll consider sniping more relevant. Sitting there and averaging 1 kill per minute isn't really doing anything...
HA! You obviously don't see many good snipers, I top the leaderboard pretty much every time I snipe, I defend objectives, I get over 20 kills on average, and if you see any snipers with less than 10 kills, then you can call them useless
"We may be small and disorganized, but we're still gonna rape you" - Intergalactic Super Friends
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Poonmunch
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.12.30 15:54:00 -
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Leonid Tybalt wrote:Poonmunch wrote:LUGMOS wrote:If you want to hear a scout say they were the hero of a battle once, I'll tell you a true story:
Both teams had about 1/4 of their MCC HP left. My team had just hacked an objective that would put the null cannon count in our favor 3-2. I killed a counter hacker, and then another, and then another. In my Minnie Scout. Cool. That's great and I'm glad a scoutbro can contribute like that. On a similar note: I do that dozens of times each week. All dedicated snipers do. On another note: You can take the redline away OP but I want the sniper rifle damage and ranges to be scaled properly. Give me accurate long range rendering. This means making sniper scopes much, much better. With a proper scope, your body will fill my scope at 500m. In real life, an average sniper should be able to kill reliably out to 1000m. The best that I'm aware of was a Canadian who killed a Taliban guy at 2430m. Master Corporal Rob Furlong of the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry. I'll be happy if I can sit back 1000m and harvest skulls. Trust me, you won't want to walk that far to get me. You'll just get tired and I'll have moved on anyway. Munch Let's not get carried away here. Snipers in dust already have an easy time because their sci-fi sniper rifles don't suffer from bullet drop but rather go in a completely straight line regardless of range. Hitting a target at 1000 meters away requires some serious compensation for wind and bullet-drop for real world snipers, so unless you're gonna be forced to deal with that, then getting even more range with the SR will end up in the realm of OP.
Well, there's bullet drop compensation, wind compensation, vehicles that right themselves, vehicles that take no damage when they flip, drivers that take no damage when their vehicles flip, inertia dampeners that slow me down in mid-air, scanners that reveal enemy positions through a bunch of walls, nanohives that automatically repair me, nanohives that produce ammunition from ... nothing, drop uplinks that automatically spawn me at some place, dropsuits that repair themselves, transferring dead souls to new clones, faster than light travel and other serious violations of the basic laws of general and special relativity, thermodynamics and common sense.
There are arm-waving explanations for it all, including the super sophisticated HUD and aiming system that is in my sniper helmet. It compensates for target position and speed as well as wind speed, humidity and other stuff. It does all the math for me. I position myself as best I can and pull the trigger. Sometimes the math is a bit off, I move a bit or my aim simply isn't fast enough to compensate for the fast-changing calculations and I miss.
What the heck is your point?
Get off my cloud, man. It's a science-fukking-fiction game.
Munch
Dedicated Sniper.
Minmatar Patriot (5).
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Sclompton Face-Smasher
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.12.30 16:01:00 -
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Poonmunch wrote:Leonid Tybalt wrote:Poonmunch wrote:LUGMOS wrote:If you want to hear a scout say they were the hero of a battle once, I'll tell you a true story:
Both teams had about 1/4 of their MCC HP left. My team had just hacked an objective that would put the null cannon count in our favor 3-2. I killed a counter hacker, and then another, and then another. In my Minnie Scout. Cool. That's great and I'm glad a scoutbro can contribute like that. On a similar note: I do that dozens of times each week. All dedicated snipers do. On another note: You can take the redline away OP but I want the sniper rifle damage and ranges to be scaled properly. Give me accurate long range rendering. This means making sniper scopes much, much better. With a proper scope, your body will fill my scope at 500m. In real life, an average sniper should be able to kill reliably out to 1000m. The best that I'm aware of was a Canadian who killed a Taliban guy at 2430m. Master Corporal Rob Furlong of the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry. I'll be happy if I can sit back 1000m and harvest skulls. Trust me, you won't want to walk that far to get me. You'll just get tired and I'll have moved on anyway. Munch Let's not get carried away here. Snipers in dust already have an easy time because their sci-fi sniper rifles don't suffer from bullet drop but rather go in a completely straight line regardless of range. Hitting a target at 1000 meters away requires some serious compensation for wind and bullet-drop for real world snipers, so unless you're gonna be forced to deal with that, then getting even more range with the SR will end up in the realm of OP. Well, there's bullet drop compensation, wind compensation, vehicles that right themselves, vehicles that take no damage when they flip, drivers that take no damage when their vehicles flip, inertia dampeners that slow me down in mid-air, scanners that reveal enemy positions through a bunch of walls, nanohives that automatically repair me, nanohives that produce ammunition from ... nothing, drop uplinks that automatically spawn me at some place, dropsuits that repair themselves, transferring dead souls to new clones, faster than light travel and other serious violations of the basic laws of general and special relativity, thermodynamics and common sense. There are arm-waving explanations for it all, including the super sophisticated HUD and aiming system that is in my sniper helmet. It compensates for target position and speed as well as wind speed, humidity and other stuff. It does all the math for me. I position myself as best I can and pull the trigger. Sometimes the math is a bit off, I move a bit or my aim simply isn't fast enough to compensate for the fast-changing calculations and I miss. What the heck is your point? Get off my cloud, man. It's a science-fukking-fiction game. Munch
True but seriously why would a little more zoom or damage be a problem? I mean we do shoot tunnel-vision anyway...
Playstyle: Scout, Passionate In-bred Sniper, Support, and Enemy finder
Weapon: Pro Shotty, Sniper, and Scrambler Rifle
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TunRa
Knights of Eternal Darkness
League of Infamy
286
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Posted - 2013.12.30 18:14:00 -
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Sounds like the OP is pissed, who would have guessed.
Thanks CCP Foxfour
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Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens
League of Infamy
450
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Posted - 2014.01.02 09:59:00 -
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Leonid Tybalt wrote:Poonmunch wrote:LUGMOS wrote:If you want to hear a scout say they were the hero of a battle once, I'll tell you a true story:
Both teams had about 1/4 of their MCC HP left. My team had just hacked an objective that would put the null cannon count in our favor 3-2. I killed a counter hacker, and then another, and then another. In my Minnie Scout. Cool. That's great and I'm glad a scoutbro can contribute like that. On a similar note: I do that dozens of times each week. All dedicated snipers do. On another note: You can take the redline away OP but I want the sniper rifle damage and ranges to be scaled properly. Give me accurate long range rendering. This means making sniper scopes much, much better. With a proper scope, your body will fill my scope at 500m. In real life, an average sniper should be able to kill reliably out to 1000m. The best that I'm aware of was a Canadian who killed a Taliban guy at 2430m. Master Corporal Rob Furlong of the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry. I'll be happy if I can sit back 1000m and harvest skulls. Trust me, you won't want to walk that far to get me. You'll just get tired and I'll have moved on anyway. Munch Let's not get carried away here. Snipers in dust already have an easy time because their sci-fi sniper rifles don't suffer from bullet drop but rather go in a completely straight line regardless of range. Hitting a target at 1000 meters away requires some serious compensation for wind and bullet-drop for real world snipers, so unless you're gonna be forced to deal with that, then getting even more range with the SR will end up in the realm of OP.
But remember... Dust sniper rifles have a muzzle velocity in excess of 2000 meters per second. There's not going to be much drop or drift in 500 meters with that kind of performance.
I still can't find tanks on the market. All I see are those HAVs.
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CRNWLLC
Screwy Rabbit ULC
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Posted - 2014.01.22 18:46:00 -
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Snipers are dope, like BPOs (I love falling squarely on one side of these debates).
A hats off goes to Fox Gaden, whose numerous guides are not only insightful, but fun to read. He covers in much more detail many of the points I will make.
Each role has different criteria by which to judge the efficacy of the bunny filling it. For instance, a scout that spends a lot of time running alongside his assault and logi teammates, throwing himself in the line of fire and losing clone after clone, would fairly be judged to be a poor scout. Similarly, a sniper that sits in one place, doesnGÇÖt plan his shots carefully, or have enough skill with a sidearm to fall back on when necessary, is likewise a turd in the punch bowl.
Here are some examples of what makes each role (role, NOT dropsuit, since scouting, sniping, logi, and assault roles can all be filled by different suits) good or bad:
GÇóScout: Good if capturing objectives/counterhacking, moving about the map to give intel, dropping uplinks in safe/smart places, acting as first response when itGÇÖs noticed an the enemyGÇÖs taken a CRU, countersniping (i.e., hiking the hills), etc. Bad when running with the frontline, staying in one place, not using cover, being noticeable generally.
GÇóSniper: Good if scattering enemy, resupplying other snipers, moving around the map to take objectives/shots as they arise, providing cover fire for teammates as they dart from point A to B, countersniping, providing intel and recon, etc. Bad when being immobile, noticeable, having a poor understanding of targeting/hit mechanics, having a poor understanding of the maps.
GÇóBig guns (Forge and HMG): Good if tanking damage for logis and assaults, laying down heavy fire, clearing out objectives of swarms of enemies, holding objectives against swarms of enemies, anti-vehicle duty. Bad when rolling solo (except maybe an FG sniper) or in a vehicle or using primarily non-heavy weapons (I disagree that heavies make good counter snipers, since this strategy relies on continuing to sit in one place ofter taking a shot).
GÇóAssaults: Good if running with a team, drawing/out-strafing enemy fire for the benefit of other assaults and heavies, finishing off damaged enemies quickly, generally creating a frantic atmosphere in CQC since they are reasonably quick and tanky-ish, dropping nanohives and uplinks as appropriate, flanking, etc. I donGÇÖt think assaults (using ARs, ScRs, Rails, etc.) are necessarily bad at anythingGÇöthey are the most generally applicable class for most situations.
GÇóLogi: Good when healing the team, keeping enough cover to be able to continue healing the team, providing additional fire as appropriate, dropping nanos and uplinks as appropriate. Bad when rolling solo, in vehicles, or providing primary fire.
GÇóDrivers/Pilots: Any of the above classes can also drive/pilot (though I truly believe that logis and heavies shouldnGÇÖt pilot, since those roles are critical to frontline, squad-based play), but due to the different vehicle types and this being a discussion of infantry roles, IGÇÖll leave the evals for another post.
In my estimation, almost any suit can fill any role, though doing so with some offers pretty clear (dis)advantages in certain areas, depending on the suit. I think itGÇÖs fair to say that scout suits canGÇÖt really rock the big guns role, as they canGÇÖt equip them and would be torn up on the frontline in any case, and itGÇÖs the rare, magical unicorn of a heavy that can effectively scout, though theyGÇÖre mostly too slow and loud to do so.
ItGÇÖs worth noting that some roles (scout, sniper) lend themselves to a more touch-and-go, on-the-fly, ad hoc style of play, whereas others (biggies, small guns, and logis) are best suited for rolling with the frontline crew, laying cover fire, cleaning house, or slapping band aids, as appropriate.
Have you seen my baseball?
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CRNWLLC
Screwy Rabbit ULC
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The idea that *most* snipers are only interested in padding their KDR is a little silly, considering *most* snipers donGÇÖt get tons of kills. I guess theyGÇÖd be padding it with lack of deaths? Well, the rate at which that would positively effect oneGÇÖs KDR, if itGÇÖs not already decent, is dismally slow for anyone whoGÇÖs played the game for any length of time. In other words, the idea of using sniping to repair a ****** KDR is misguided.
The power of sniper rifles is fine, IMO (of course, I wouldnGÇÖt complain about MOAR POWAH). Even if a sniper misses the head shot, or if the headshot isnGÇÖt enough to take out the target, the target almost always beelines it, making them incredibly easy to pick off with a second shot. This is even true of a charge rifle, since it only takes a second to charge it enough for another shot, which can be done while tracking the fleeing target with the reticle. Dot turns red + numbers + name = release trigger for pop. Works almost every time. I would prefer to rock Thales, but theyGÇÖre a rare commodity for me since I wasnGÇÖt a beta player. HereGÇÖs my math with on the charge rifle, correct me if IGÇÖm wrong:
Base damage = 321.9 x 1.09 (+9% from Proficiency 3) = 350.87 x 1.17 (approx. +17% from 2 complex damage mods) = 410.52 x 1.75 (headshot bonus) = 718.41 per head shot. This is entirely adequate to take out the majority of players (IGÇÖd wager at least 2/3) with one headshot, and a second shot, if needed, is enough to take out most of those that survive the headshot. Even without the headshot bonus, 322 - 410 damage is enough to take out many non/poorly-tanked, sub-proto suits in one shot.
Redline sniping is totally fair since both teams have redlines the otherGÇÖs infantry canGÇÖt effectively cross. (This isnGÇÖt such an issue for a fully fit and staffed dropship, but again, thatGÇÖs another post.) As a sniper, one of my favorite past times is to find out where the other teamGÇÖs redliners are, take them out with a shotty, dropship, or sniper round, as applicable, and then setup right below the redline where they were camping. This is good for two reasons: one, IGÇÖm more protected from the enemyGÇÖs redliners, since IGÇÖm downhill, outta scope range (of course, IGÇÖm slightly vulnerable to a shotty scout, but most teams donGÇÖt police their own redlines like that), and two, it often times causes the redliners to panic and move around the map, which theyGÇÖre usually not comfortable with (hence their redlining), making them easier prey for my team.
IGÇÖd also like to point out that ambush is the *prefect* time to snipe, since the vast majority of players think the opposite. So, while theyGÇÖre all scrambling down below, I call a dropship, get to the highest flat area I can, and have a ball. This is even more legit since all IGÇÖm doing is helping kill, which is the entire point of ambush.
I agree that a kill assists stat would probably go a long way towards getting haters to STFU. My kill assists almost always outnumber my kills by a significant amount. Of course, this is irrelevant because all snipers are selfish KDR whores.
If you read this whole thing you must have been bored. Go play some Dust! Anyway, I guess my point is: have fun, itGÇÖs just a game, bruh.
Have you seen my baseball?
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Espartoi
Zero-Day Attack
Zero-Day
1
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Posted - 2014.01.22 18:55:00 -
[213] - Quote
The redline should have a warning of 5 sec or less that could resolve many problems of redline snipers and anyone who tries to play in that zone. |
rpastry
Carbon 7
CRONOS.
114
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Posted - 2014.01.29 19:30:00 -
[214] - Quote
im playing a pub dom atm. enemy did nothing from start apart from sniping from deep in the redline with thales. ultrapussies.
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Cruor Abominare
Horizons' Edge
95
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Posted - 2014.01.29 19:32:00 -
[215] - Quote
Meh, redline snipers and snipers in general are a moot point. The more you have of them the more likely that side is going to lose. |
rpastry
Carbon 7
CRONOS.
114
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Posted - 2014.01.29 19:50:00 -
[216] - Quote
its not even about winning or losing they just made the game a pathetic waste of time
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Auris Lionesse
Capital Acquisitions LLC
Renegade Alliance
88
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Posted - 2014.01.29 20:13:00 -
[217] - Quote
I don't even worry about it, sniper rifles and sniping in general is completely broken. If you want to be compatible you don't do it.
A 16 man sniper team would lose every single match they play.
Rendering, messed up weapon stats, horrible scopes and sightlines. no better than cod, If I feel like sniping I'll go play battlefield. |
lrian Locust
Chatelain Rapid Response
Gallente Federation
342
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Posted - 2014.01.29 20:21:00 -
[218] - Quote
Leonid Tybalt wrote:Snipers in dust already have an easy time because their sci-fi sniper rifles don't suffer from bullet drop but rather go in a completely straight line regardless of range. Hitting a target at 1000 meters away requires some serious compensation for wind and bullet-drop for real world snipers, so unless you're gonna be forced to deal with that, then getting even more range with the SR will end up in the realm of OP.
On the other hand, snipers in the real world won't have to deal with targets that vanish in thin air or invisible buildings from a distance of 200m or more. Sniping needs a buff for rendering distance. Once that's in place, we can discuss range.
Besides, even with a proto sniper rifle you need multiple hits to kill anything but a newby scout. I don't think sniper rifles would be OP. They even need a slight buff.
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LowerThan SnakeShip
Ultramarine Corp
3
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Posted - 2014.01.30 04:45:00 -
[219] - Quote
i think the redline itself makes no sense, most of them are too deep and nothing should be able to sit in an area where the fight would allow one player to have that type of advantage. i have always thought instead of a redline there should just be a shield bubble around your spawn that would only allow you to exit and no weapons could shoot through.
but i do think snipers could use a zoom |
Storm Shelton
0uter.Heaven
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
35
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Posted - 2014.01.30 05:44:00 -
[220] - Quote
I don't need to say anything about how effectively I snipe. Just ask anyone from O.H., SymbioticForks, Sid Taris, DemonEyez91, Avoid Empire, Grease Spillet, Blood Reaper95N, Sladen Faust.
Any of them can tell you.
Good day to you sir! o7
You're saying its a bad idea?
Well stick around. I'm full of bad ideas.
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
Redline Defense Force
Seekers of the Unseen
489
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Posted - 2014.01.30 06:21:00 -
[221] - Quote
Easy on the meaningless, bub. I AM NOT meaningless. And I don't hide in the redline, don't group bitches and real snipers in the same category.
Psycho
boink That was my baseball bouncing off walls with extreme trig to hit you in the face
Sandman
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Vance Vyth
State Covenant AQ
47
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Posted - 2014.01.30 06:42:00 -
[222] - Quote
All I'm hearing on this fourm post is people whining. whining about snipers, whining about redline, whining about risk vs reward.
Most of you are just cry babies. seriously.
Do the adults have to change all your diapers now and tell you thats everythings going to be alright?
boo-hooo little sniper killed me whaa-whaa.
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Vance Vyth
State Covenant AQ
47
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Posted - 2014.01.30 06:50:00 -
[223] - Quote
"CCP daddy? whaa-whaa NERF SNIPER NOW! wha-whaa NERF REDLINE! whaa-whaa NOW DADDY! SNIPER BAD! THALE BAD! whaa-whaa" thats baciscally what I'm reading from all of you lol
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Shiruba Ryou
Molon Labe.
185
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Posted - 2014.01.30 08:23:00 -
[224] - Quote
Vance Vyth wrote:"CCP daddy? whaa-whaa NERF SNIPER NOW! wha-whaa NERF REDLINE! whaa-whaa NOW DADDY! SNIPER BAD! THALE BAD! whaa-whaa" thats baciscally what I'm reading from all of you lol
And your response to them is simply overflowing with so much adulthood that its breathtaking.
No one is going to take a redline sniper's response seriously anyway. And before you say that you aren't I've seen you for the entirety of 2 weeks ago redline sniping in Caldari FW. And a couple in a few pubs.
It's one thing if a sniper places himself in a hard to find location. Eventually if someone is good enough, they can find that sniper and shove a round or two up it's ass. It's another thing entirely when a sniper is being protected quite firmly by a game mechanic whose purpose is simply to keep an enemy out and safely away from you.
There's not a sensible argument in existence that condones that mechanic. Clarification: the mechanic, not the issue it was trying to solve in implementation. And as if you were expecting me to say that you gave us all a few rationally ******** posts to save me time proving that point. A better mechanic to solve the current map restrictions needs to be made. One that can't be abused by, yet not limited to, snipers, tanks, and other long range weapon types. However I can't see that happening anytime soon. Every system I've come up with so far still has large holes in it.
BTW nice to see you left D-UNI recently. I'd hate to see such idiocy under their corp tag. Kevall deserves better.
"Not to worry. The cards say you loved it."
- Ryoutoshi
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Obodiah Garro
Tech Guard
RISE of LEGION
603
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Posted - 2014.01.30 09:00:00 -
[225] - Quote
They should just take sniper rifles out of the game and bring in some moderately powerful AV rifle instead which is nigh useless against infrantry. |
Lorhak Gannarsein
1416
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Posted - 2014.01.30 09:01:00 -
[226] - Quote
Can't be arsed reading the whole thread, but page one seems to be pretty fixated on the side-comment OP made about how useless he thinks snipers are.
But if you actually read the post, he's pretty clearly saying "small map = bad 4 snipe. Big map good. CCP don't get rid of big map".
Did I dumb it down enough for you guys?
Shiruba Ryou wrote:BTW nice to see you left D-UNI recently. I'd hate to see such idiocy under their corp tag. Kevall deserves better.
FUCKIN LOL.
There are a few who should really just leave; some that I doubt are contributing to the place and are probably just too bad to find another corp, or too lazy to start one.
Happily printing ISK with permahardeners and MLT blasters.
Just let me get a couple mil more before nerf, CCP!
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
342
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Posted - 2014.01.30 09:16:00 -
[227] - Quote
There's a reason you rarely, if ever, see a sniper in PC.
It's because they are generally useless except in specific situations.
Redline sniping is just as bad (or worse) for the game as redline rail tanking -- you shouldn't be able to hide from everyone except one of your own kind. That's simply a broken FPS mechanic, from where I sit.
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Sclompton Face-Smasher
Living Like Larry Schwag
35
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Posted - 2014.01.30 12:42:00 -
[228] - Quote
Obodiah Garro wrote:They should just take sniper rifles out of the game and bring in some moderately powerful AV rifle instead which is nigh useless against infrantry.
I wouldn't say remove them since they do show they can help out ground troops with heavies and relay positions if they aren't trying to run from the ground or to pad their KDR but instead make that a variable in the sniper part of the skill branch..
Playstyle: Scout, Passionate In-bred Sniper, Support, and Enemy finder
Weapon: Pro Shotty, Sniper, and Scrambler Rifle
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Sclompton Face-Smasher
Living Like Larry Schwag
35
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Posted - 2014.01.30 12:45:00 -
[229] - Quote
Leadfoot10 wrote:There's a reason you rarely, if ever, see a sniper in PC.
It's because they are generally useless except in specific situations.
Redline sniping is just as bad (or worse) for the game as redline rail tanking -- you shouldn't be able to hide from everyone except one of your own kind. That's simply a broken FPS mechanic, from where I sit.
Respectfully...Leadfoot
In PC it's only proto so I would expect anything less considering PC is only for spray and pray/tank users or the basic rail rifle/scanner, scout/scanner combos which is simply a female's private part move...
Playstyle: Scout, Passionate In-bred Sniper, Support, and Enemy finder
Weapon: Pro Shotty, Sniper, and Scrambler Rifle
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Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
1037
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Posted - 2014.01.30 12:50:00 -
[230] - Quote
To give zero WP for kills from behind the redline would unfairly punish a team who has been pushed back, however one could solve this by giving up to e.g. 150 WP and then require the player to spend a certain amount of time outside the redline to reset it. |
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Vance Vyth
State Covenant AQ
47
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Posted - 2014.01.30 15:10:00 -
[231] - Quote
Shiruba Ryou wrote:Vance Vyth wrote:"CCP daddy? whaa-whaa NERF SNIPER NOW! wha-whaa NERF REDLINE! whaa-whaa NOW DADDY! SNIPER BAD! THALE BAD! whaa-whaa" thats baciscally what I'm reading from all of you lol And your response to them is simply overflowing with so much adulthood that its breathtaking. No one is going to take a redline sniper's response seriously anyway. And before you say that you aren't I've seen you for the entirety of 2 weeks ago redline sniping in Caldari FW. And a couple in a few pubs. It's one thing if a sniper places himself in a hard to find location. Eventually if someone is good enough, they can find that sniper and shove a round or two up it's ass. It's another thing entirely when a sniper is being protected quite firmly by a game mechanic whose purpose is simply to keep an enemy out and safely away from you. There's not a sensible argument in existence that condones that mechanic. Clarification: the mechanic, not the issue it was trying to solve in implementation. And as if you were expecting me to say that you gave us all a few rationally ******** posts to save me time proving that point. A better mechanic to solve the current map restrictions needs to be made. One that can't be abused by, yet not limited to, snipers, tanks, and other long range weapon types. However I can't see that happening anytime soon. Every system I've come up with so far still has large holes in it. BTW nice to see you left D-UNI recently. I'd hate to see such idiocy under their corp tag. Kevall deserves better.
Lol I was making a joke it wasent to be taken seriously.
It was just to relate to the fact that theres tons of needless whining and not enough contructive feedback.
Dont you agree? snipers our just to be that; snipers. attack from a long and secure distance.
Thats the defintion of a sniper someone who fights from miles away. & you act like you cannot kill us that we are godmode?
most of us dont even get high kill rates. I do. & thats only becasue I'm a very good shot.
needless to say I forgive you though. I might had come off a little strong but I forgive my brothers.
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Vance Vyth
State Covenant AQ
47
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Posted - 2014.01.30 15:18:00 -
[232] - Quote
Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Can't be arsed reading the whole thread, but page one seems to be pretty fixated on the side-comment OP made about how useless he thinks snipers are. But if you actually read the post, he's pretty clearly saying "small map = bad 4 snipe. Big map good. CCP don't get rid of big map". Did I dumb it down enough for you guys? Shiruba Ryou wrote:BTW nice to see you left D-UNI recently. I'd hate to see such idiocy under their corp tag. Kevall deserves better. FUCKIN LOL. There are a few who should really just leave; some that I doubt are contributing to the place and are probably just too bad to find another corp, or too lazy to start one.
I've helped contribute to dust-uni a number of times. I've played in some of there PC matches as a tanker. against
corps like molon labe and ancient exiles. With fracrion warfare the community in dust-uni has become divided because we are a neutral corp, and thats why I left. Not because I dont contribute, or am too lazy. You jave no idea what you are talking about, but I forgive you.
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Talos Vagheitan
Ancient Exiles.
426
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Posted - 2014.01.30 15:30:00 -
[233] - Quote
8213 wrote:
In fact, snipers are MEANINGLESS in this game. They don't contribute, even in Ambush game modes. Snipers can b*tch all they want about that, but face facts; snipers make no impact on games other than being nuisances. If I get killed by one, I really don't care, because its only one death and it won't happen again.
Truer words never spoken
Who cares what some sniper has to say
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Sentient Archon
1458
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Posted - 2014.01.30 15:36:00 -
[234] - Quote
Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:I beg to differ... Snipers are not meaningless in this game
When I snipe, my team notices my impact.
Due to my Thale, we have one of our objectives permanently safe, that tower-camping swarmer/forger terrorizing our derpships/infantry is dead, and enemy AV infantry get shot to pieces allowing my team's HAV to run rampant in half of the map.
Sounds like you just hate crappy snipers... But bad snipers are no different then the useless AR nutters who die 17 times score 150 warpoints.
OMG another Thale using sniper chest beating on the lolforums.
Let me ask you this IF you are that good and can hold 1 objective per pub match;- how come you havent tried to get a taste of PFC or PC?
I mean someone as good as you would definitely be an asset if you can hold an entire object for the whole match.
Its takes atleast 3 or 4 of us told hold an objective;- but what to we know as scrubs.
Bottom line is a sniper is as good as the toilet paper I use to wipe my arse when I am done taking a dump... just need it once or twice.
The only troll to successfully troll CCP.
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snip suport
Balkan Express Squad
1
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Posted - 2014.01.30 15:58:00 -
[235] - Quote
Only solution for me is that u need give SR only to sniper suits.. F*** that heawy, logi or assault " snipers " they invest int that tipe of suit and using SR speciay when they lusing battle.. .. Lol.. I stoped playing sniper, now PRO logi ( love it :P ) but that is only solution for me becouse u wont have that many camping sniper if they only in sniper suit.. Dont forget that best way to kill sniper is onother sniper !! 1 shot kill if its sniper suit.. Think about it !! |
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