I beg to differ... Snipers are not meaningless in this game

When I snipe, my team notices my impact.

Due to my Thale, we have one of our objectives permanently safe, that tower-camping swarmer/forger terrorizing our derpships/infantry is dead, and enemy AV infantry get shot to pieces allowing my team's HAV to run rampant in half of the map.


Sounds like you just hate crappy snipers... But bad snipers are no different then the useless AR nutters who die 17 times score 150 warpoints.

I Charge Snipe the brains and balls of of PRO Heavies and Callogis bricktanking on a regular basis.

I get around 20 kills with a sniper when I'm in the right position, and have prevented hacks numerous times. There are a lot of $#!t snipers, and I may not be the best (never will be), but I do think that a sniper can have it's uses in the right situation.

This.

You know how people always ***** about it when an uplink gets on top of a building only reachable by dropships? (AKA the reason why people ***** about weapons with splash)
Well, I actually farmed kills with a sniper from one of those instances a little while ago, while saving the asses of all the mindless blueberries they were shooting down at.

The real question is, should brainless AR users be allowed to pointlessly run in circles around an abandoned objective?
The ratio of AR users to snipers who do nothing in a battle is far higher. Meat shield dies 20 times... x3 meats = 60 of 100 clones down the drain.

In case you forget clones can loose the battle as well.
I'd rather have a useless sniper on a hill than a useless AR user careening us to clone defeat.

Where did I say you used an AR in this thread?
You're ranting in doublethink now. See how you claim meat shields can get more kills? Then say that snipers don't get kills, then prior you complained about a sniper getting 50 or so kills?

This sniper did just what you asked him to do Probably even had a few uplinks around the center of the field too, as that's what all the high end snipers do. Uplink then hunt from point to point.

You aren't arguing on any logic whatsoever, you're just ranting because you got shot halfway across the map and are trying to justify why you are unable to hit them back.

Also, here's a question. Why would you need someone on the ground to hack back a point if no enemy can survive long enough to reach the point?

This little part here practically screams that you're floundering for ideas, and the only way you could possibly back your point is to appear "majestically dismissive". Such posing didn't keep kings on their thrones hundreds of years ago, and it still fails to work today.



Being killed twice in a game by the same sniper isn't that hard of a thing for a sniper to do.
You already quoted a sniper shutting a team down, the 56 kills. Too bad the ground support was inadequate for such a huge handicap.
Also getting killed 100 times is statistically impossible in most games as the cap of clones is set to 100.

So logic would dictate, that I was talking about 100 Lifetime kills...
The 56 kill guy didn't shut the team down obviously, because we were still wrecking enough to win and get 5-6 Orbitals... When you see those higher kill games, its just a handful of sttarter fit noobs making repeated bad decisions, the one guy manhandling the entire team.
And, I've never been killed by a sniper in-game twice, but that's just me. Obviously there are great snipers in this game (listen carefully, because chances are you'll choose to ignore this part because it doesn't fuel your argument) that can get multiple kills, and assist in protecting an objective. But, all they can do is get kills. Which means very little in the overall scheme of the game. Snipers have high KDs but terrible win/loss and WP records, because they don't contribute to the team in any other facet other than getting a handful of kill, most of them meaningless.


Failure of ground support, namely people like you who rant and rave instead of going out and doing.


I don't just snipe, I have points in everything from Heavy, to Vehicles, to Assault, and I'm looking toward logistics. Mix'n match is what every upper tier sniper does. You think they just sit in one suit the entire game in one corner? Nope, that's just the bad ones. The good ones pelt a few shots down to annoy people, switch suits, then assist with flanking while the opponents are still hallucinating about a sniper on the "hill over yonder".

I'd say it works PRETTY DAMN WELL, because you're here complaining about snipers on the "hill over yonder".

I haven't seen ignorance like this on these forums in awhile.

Good snipers don't sit on one side of the map and just camp kills.

I am CONSTANTLY moving. As soon as i shoot someone or kill them I assume they know where I am. I am running a scout suit with full scan dampening and scan amps. I have no tank. I am moving around the entire redline taking shots. If I am 100M from an objective and NO one is around (since I can see from my perch) I'll run down and take it come back and perch again. The other team is spending a lot of time undoing everything I do. That allows my team to hold other objectives.

I can SEE the other team running around scared of me. They change where they run and divert their attention. Half my kills are simply kill assists from wounding shots with my Kaalakiota Rifle that my squad finishes as they panic after getting hit once.

After I headshot the other teams logi my squad rushes them. Oh yeah I am CONSTANTLY feeding intel on enemy movements and where their tank is.

I am one of the LYNCH PINS of my squad.

Just because you run into dumb snipers doesn't mean snipers can't be a highly valuable member of a team.

Honestly, snipers can be detrimental to a team, and they can also be fundamental. Your argument against snipers is like saying if Logis are doing there job healing, what good are they in cloning a team. There are many classes that are like snipers, poor scouts and also dropships.

If, as some say, snipers are meaningless and irrelevant, we should petition for a buff to snipers....

1.) Most people don't redline snipe, so I wouldn't care.

2.) Most of my kills are generated from 2HKs with a Kaalakioita, or an OHKO from my Charge sniper rifle. I don't rely on finishing what people started to generate kills. You aren't even a PRO sniper so I don't see why you think you can make a generalized statement about them.

3.) I'm glad they don't fear snipers. That way they won't be keeping their eyes peeled for me when I introduce a charge shot to their face.

4.) Drop an Orbital on me. I don't care. You just wasted 2500 WP and I could easily continue sniping as well as snipe the idiots watching the last spot. And the 70k it takes to restock my suit is nothing when I average 250-300k per match.

You are hard headed and stubborn and i can not take what you say seriously, anymore. I have stated truths and all you do is dismiss them with crazy backwards logic. If i see you on the battlefield...you better believe i will spend the whole match...stalking you and annoying you..all the while helping my team.

Perhaps the rest of the team was to blame? If someone singlehandedly kills over 1/3rd of the enemies clones, deprives them of 2 orbitals and probably netted a lot of assisted kills, I'd say he's been quite the asset to the team.

Keep on dreaming. How many HAV's do you think you can kill in one game?

I know, but how many people will still bring out their vehicles when they start dropping like flies? If you say you can get more SP with you swarm launcher than the best sniper out there, I call bullshit. Because you won't find a match with that many vehicles and dropships about.

I know more about swarm launchers than 90% of the people on this forum ever will; you gonna call me ignorant in the ways of swarm launchers?

And running around with a Wirykomi has granted me a total of around 1,500 WP on a good day.

And considering the fact that not every match has 3 tanks and 5 installations belonging to the enemy, I also call "bull$#!t"

58-0 thale sniping. If you call that useless then you probably suffer from Down syndrome. As for an average game I can easily break 40-0

58-0 thale sniping. If you call that useless then you probably suffer from Down syndrome. As for an average game I can easily break 40-0

'Scuse me while I get my pencil.

8 GǪ 2 GǪ 1 GǪ 3

Ok, I'm good now.


Munch

I played a game against the OP a few minutes ago.

Dat lag was so horrible that my bullets wouldn't even render.

Sleepy Zan back when he played was really deadly. I figure he played with KBM and could reliably rake up his kills. Other than that (the few exceptional snipers), I side up with you - >95% of snipers are useless in this game. Not their fault either. I blame this on poor sniping game mechanics. Snipers either sit in the red line and help their team lose or they beat up on the already losing team but covering spawn points. There is nothing in between to make snipers worthwhile.

Hope you wasn't running your "typical fit" last night because I know I OHK'ed you 3-4 times... As well as protected the objective.. I did my job as an area denial sniper and I'm happy with the results. Eliminate the RL I don't care still won't change the fact I'll most likely kill most of your time before y'all start to care about me.

I wasn't the only one to do the feat as well jokes on you buddy... don't act like you are some kind of bad*** and I never said I went 30/0 I just know my abilities in this game as a player.. Don't go assuming things that is where you will start your descent as a non credible person... As well as YOU personally have never killed me last night.. And this is the community forums I can stay here all I would like.

I got ya with head shots however many times I did kill you whether it's 3-4 or whatever and yes it was in the same match. I don't believe you died that much but right before the match I did notice you was talking about the Sniper here on the forums and decided you would be my victim.. the gamemode was DOM and I don't know the maps names and I could careless I just memorize the map and go from there. I had the charge if that is what you are asking for the map I know both had "fortresses" to what I call them atleast. I was on the hills looking in the obective close to your spawn and you got shot while inside close to the objective and then two more times while at the entrance to the fortress.. (Yeah I may be new to the forums but not new to the stupidity of people.. and yeah make fun of me for not knowing the map name as long as I protect the objective and play to win I don't care really.)

Snipers are not meaningless in this game, they many times prove they usefulness, by killing hackers on null-cannons terminals for examples, not to mention that they are quite a bit good killers to. Just skill up sniper on one of your alt and see for yourself .

Snipers are the part of this game no matter what your opinion about them is. And your attitude is kinda funny and very childish. After reading all your posts here i can say you are just butthurt.

Soooo if you want the matches to be tighter and more chaotic, explain to me why the maps are like 6 times bigger than the actual engagement space we use???

Bro what I know personally than Ive killed you at least twice in one game you sent me hate mail if you need verification soooo................ yeah that argument is screwed

I thought I'd never see the day.

I finally have a real forum friend.

Also, were you the one sniping in those FW matches? Or was that Ruunt?

Yah, stuff like that bugs me too.

But my in-game mail frequently has a few angry, insulting messages from my victims in it.


Munch

im sorry but i beg to differ, i have been on squads with snipers, and they provide fire support as well as enemy locations, one time me as a scout captured a null cannon alone vs 7 enemies thanks to that sniper that gave me info and killed 3 of them, i agree with you on the redline snipers, and GOOD snipers can kill target enemies that are destroying your team

You tell 'em buddy. Get the sniper community really riled up. But if you do **** them off, stay out of faction warfare. They might just start tagging you to keep your shields and armor low so you'll be easy pickings for the enemy team. I'd probably pay to watch that. LOL

Then you dont deserve to Dust or be able to lick CCP's left *** cheek if you NEVER have seen a sniper make a difference in a game in the 100,000's of matches you played. Also stfu about snipers and K/D. It's all about being able to even use your fit in the first place whether it's pure in-game isk, AUR, or loyalty. Plus with all the tankers and sad excuses of tankers, people with OP ranged weapons and Active scanners that ARE trying to pad their K/D out there; there will be an over excess of new snipers that sit in the red line JUST to get away from all the BS that people like you want us (not talking about me or any other snipers like me) to be a part of. Plus don't even try to sound like your the "glamorus" assault, frontline grunt that has ever been added to Dust when i've seen you personally wear FOTM and run around acting llike your the **** just because of your suit/ weapon you used. Also while i'm at it.... doesn't it **** with your brain and psyche when you know if you go a certain way or into a certain area of the map on any game that you'll be pecked or killed by a sniper? Or how about since us snipers have had a set DPS since life on New Eden we get compensation for it just like all of the AR's and new variations of it with the ability to hit anyone with 500+ damage in a few seconds? I don't know like a damage BUFF or at least give every sniper the zoom of a Thale's TAR 07' Sniper Rifle (I put the whole name for a reason) just because your OP rifles keep getting better and better. Oh wait!! That's too unreasonable because the grunts are getting mad that their getting shot from somewhere that they have to RUN to shoot their next victim. I mean seriously how mad can you get when a "Redline Sniper" (don't care if they were there all game or not) stops red berries from going a certain way just so you grunts can continue stockpiling your kills that... wait for it... YOU grunts are so happy about because that means... wait again you can redline them!! Just like you always want to happen so you can get your precious SP which help EVERYONE out.

Then you dont deserve to Dust or be able to lick CCP's left *** cheek if you NEVER have seen a sniper make a difference in a game in the 100,000's of matches you played. Also stfu about snipers and K/D. It's all about being able to even use your fit in the first place whether it's pure in-game isk, AUR, or loyalty. Plus with all the tankers and sad excuses of tankers, people with OP ranged weapons and Active scanners that ARE trying to pad their K/D out there; there will be an over excess of new snipers that sit in the red line JUST to get away from all the BS that people like you want us (not talking about me or any other snipers like me) to be a part of. Plus don't even try to sound like your the "glamorus" assault, frontline grunt that has ever been added to Dust when i've seen you personally wear FOTM and run around acting llike your the **** just because of your suit/ weapon you used. Also while i'm at it.... doesn't it **** with your brain and psyche when you know if you go a certain way or into a certain area of the map on any game that you'll be pecked or killed by a sniper? Or how about since us snipers have had a set DPS since life on New Eden we get compensation for it just like all of the AR's and new variations of it with the ability to hit anyone with 500+ damage in a few seconds? I don't know like a damage BUFF or at least give every sniper the zoom of a Thale's TAR 07' Sniper Rifle (I put the whole name for a reason) just because your OP rifles keep getting better and better. Oh wait!! That's too unreasonable because the grunts are getting mad that their getting shot from somewhere that they have to RUN to shoot their next victim. I mean seriously how mad can you get when a "Redline Sniper" (don't care if they were there all game or not) stops red berries from going a certain way just so you grunts can continue stockpiling your kills that... wait for it... YOU grunts are so happy about because that means... wait again you can redline them!! Just like you always want to happen so you can get your precious SP which help EVERYONE out.