Dude... don't give me the Sniper wishful thinking rant.. I've heard it 1000x... You wish you could single handedly defend an objective. You wish you could pop an enemy's head off just as he's about to kill your teammate, being a hero... you wish you could earn enough kills to balance out the bottom half of your team... you wish all of that BUT YOU CAN'T... I've never seen it, witnessed it, or even heard about...

A sniper gets about 1 key shot every game, if they are lucky, that's it. All you do is kill Scouts and Starter Fits, and coutnersnipe the other useless snipers on the other team.

DUST 514 Fact: The team with the most snipers, LOSES everytime.

Now, I'm not venting about it. In fact, snipers are MEANINGLESS in this game.

Stopped reading right there; Just another scrub of a player without the wit to understand the numerous roles a sniper can take.

I'm going to stop typing now before I feel like I have wasted too much time talking to inbreds with no sense of real critical thinking.

So you made an impact in one game? Typical snipers story... refer to the one time you actually had a good game and ignore the other 100 games where you went 4-15/0 on the losing team...

If one sniper can actually pin down the entire enemy team, EVERY single game they are in, or even half of them... then I'd say Sniping is dangerous. But quite frankly its just a method to raise KD.

Snipers don't contribute anything to the game, that's a simple fact. If they did, they would be more widespread in P/C...
And the fact that they can hide behind the Redline kind of makes anything they do seem "skilless"

I was playing around tonight and noticed two things that sort of tie into one another.
Since CCP's new Executive Producer wanted to "turn up the action", I noticed something in Ambush OMS games and it ties to an earlier thought I had about redline sniping.

First things first: Redline Snipers.
You know when you play basketball, and if you shoot the ball and goes into the basket, but your foot stepped out of bounds, the shot doesn't count? Why would a sniper be allowed to sit out of bounds and still get rewarded with doing damage?

Now, I'm not venting about it. In fact, snipers are MEANINGLESS in this game. They don't contribute, even in Ambush game modes. Snipers can b*tch all they want about that, but face facts; snipers make no impact on games other than being nuisances. If I get killed by one, I really don't care, because its only one death and it won't happen again.

These maps are plenty big enough where the sniper can still have major distance without being out of bounds in the red zone.

How this ties into tighter maps: Shrinking games?
In all the Ambush OMS games I played tonight, as I looked over the map before i spawned in I noticed how small the space was. We were playing OMS in standard Ambush spaces, and Turrets even dropped. I am wondering if this is one of CCPs attempts to turn up the action? Because all those Ambush games were over in 5 minutes, just like a standard Ambush game would be, because the time between kill waves is tighter because of the tighter maps.

If this is the case, then smaller maps will hurt snipers in this game and render them to Call of Duty type of playstyles because you can't get enough distance between you and the enemy. But at the same time, I had good Shotgun performances tonight because of the tighter maps. I suppose tighter OMS games wouldn't be a bad thing, as long as the large games stay in the rotation as well.

Snipers are not meaningless in this game, they many times prove they usefulness, by killing hackers on null-cannons terminals for examples, not to mention that they are quite a bit good killers to. Just skill up sniper on one of your alt and see for yourself .

Dude, honestly. STFU. Don't add any more delusional crap on a thread that's mad old. SNIPERS DO NOTHING!! All they can do is kill one person at a time, pretty useless if you ask me.
They can't protect objectives by themselves. All they can do is sit out of bounds and pester people who are actually playing. This is why snipers have the worst win/loss ratios in the game, period. This is why teams with the most snipers lose, every time. This is why snipers aren't used in PC. This is why snipers are MEANINGLESS and USELESS.

You may feel so awesome sitting 500m back and OHK-ing noobs in starter fits, but the rest of use who actually have to multitask and implement skill are the ones who control the game. Snipers contribute nothing of any use.

I'm not sure I get the whole "Snipers don't matter" or "Snipers contribute nothing" malarky some of you are buying into.

If we snipers can make as many kills as a CQC guy and have no deaths, in what universe does that make us irrelevant or useless?

On that basis alone, we carry our weight.

Then add in all the "extras".

We scout.

We jump into turrets when needed.

We hack.

We counter-hack.

We counter-snipe.

We cover friendly vehicles by splattering red AV infantry all over the countryside. I see the swarm launcher trails and almost always no blues are anywhere around. The tank guys should be sending me flowers and buying me beer for saving their zillion ISK death sleds.

We cover objectives. Usually more than one at a time. I'm excellent at taking out 2. Sometimes even 3. Without losing the blue team a clone. Can I stop 4 or more red hackers? No, but a single blue CQC guy can't either.

We drop uplinks.

We drop nanohives.

We mine objectives with remote explosives.

We mine roads with proximity explosives.

We demoralize and distract reds.

We thin and cripple the herd of angry reds running toward you. Without losing the blue team a clone.

We can slow or stop enemy momentum. Without losing the blue team a clone.

We strip shields and armour and don't mind just getting the assist. It's worth it to see a proto fatty bite the dust. When that proto fatty waddles around the corner in front of you with no shields and half armor, it might be a gift from me.

We stop the red guys who run at the solo blue hacker. He usually has no clue we saved his bacon.

We shoot red uplinks and nanohives from 400m away.

We kill the red guy who calls in the vehicle before he gets into it. So a blue guy can drop by later and score a free ride. If you find an orphaned red vehicle it is likely a sniper made it that way because blue CQC guys almost always take or blow up vehicles when they kill the owner.

We stop the reds from hot-wiring your car when you get out to fight.

We harass the reds to the point where up to 4 jump in a clown car to chase us down. They almost always get me but I've taken 4 reds on a wild goose chase - which means out of the battle - for several minutes. They may as well have been dead or AFK for that time. All they end up doing is killing little old me.

I'm the grim reaper, the mad bomber, Drew Carry with a free car behind door number 3, a multi-tasking angel of death, your eyes and ears, the anti-AV service and your only friend when you are alone in a cold and dangerous place.

I'm a sniper and I'm proud of how I help my team.

Do snipers need CQC guys? Damn right we do.

Do CQC guys need snipers? Damn right you do.


Munch

Something has to be done about Redline Snipers. They are in the camping on objective A in the redline, risking nothing. Either decrease Sniper range or tighten the map so that they are vulnerable even in the redline.

Dude... don't give me the Sniper wishful thinking rant.. I've heard it 1000x... You wish you could single handedly defend an objective. You wish you could pop an enemy's head off just as he's about to kill your teammate, being a hero... you wish you could earn enough kills to balance out the bottom half of your team... you wish all of that BUT YOU CAN'T... I've never seen it, witnessed it, or even heard about...

A sniper gets about 1 key shot every game, if they are lucky, that's it. All you do is kill Scouts and Starter Fits, and coutnersnipe the other useless snipers on the other team.

DUST 514 Fact: The team with the most snipers, LOSES everytime.

Snipers are the part of this game no matter what your opinion about them is. And your attitude is kinda funny and very childish. After reading all your posts here i can say you are just butthurt.

Real snipers in real life can't hide behind a safe zone, so why should snipers be allowed to do so.The red line is op and it's the cause of all our problems.

Fixes:
- extend the red line with the mcc far back ( long term fix that requires big maps )
- remove the red line ( an extreme fix but had to mention it )
- make the red line a damage reducing barrier that reduces damage by a % ( best fix)

ccp please consider these fixes and I recommend the third.

The OMS maps are designed before the new EP. They have been set up smaller intentionally. Since it is ambush with a variation of having installations fall in at set times, we wanted it to be fast paced, with a bit of chaos and lots of action.

Soooo if you want the matches to be tighter and more chaotic, explain to me why the maps are like 6 times bigger than the actual engagement space we use???

Real life snipers don't have magic redlines that reduce the effectiveness of their weapon systems either. Also, if they could figure out a way to shoot from a spot that was as protected as the redline they would.

Why am I butthurt? If you read all the posts, then you know I've never been killed by the same sniper twice in one game... so how am I butthurt?

Maybe I'm butthurt from being on losing teams that have 8 snipers just sitting in the redline contributing nothing like usual...

Bro what I know personally than Ive killed you at least twice in one game you sent me hate mail if you need verification soooo................ yeah that argument is screwed

I can earn more WP with a Swarm Launcher than the best sniper ever could. (...) A Swarm kills more than just HAVs Jr...

You can get all the kills you want in DUST, but if they aren't key players, or kills that result in clone loss... they don't mean anything.

Bro what I know personally than Ive killed you at least twice in one game you sent me hate mail if you need verification soooo................ yeah that argument is screwed

So which weapon in your arsenal can pin down an entire team, every other match or so?

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You feel snipers are useless yet you want to make things harder for them which will make them even more useless.
You say snipers don't adhere you progress at all yet you feel something needs to be done about them.

Why?

Mind you, I don't like the idea of redline sniping either but I just can't seem to grasp your reasoning for this post.

i like sniping in this game, but i think I'd be better if everything was going against me. map design, shield/armor tank, my sniper needing damage mods just to be effective. I even try to make due with it all, but i just can't. snipers need something for them to be effective on the field and for the team. until then, i run out in the field with my shotgun scout.

Of course they don't, thanks for stating the obvious troll.we don't need sniper trolls that don't see how brilliant my idea is, and with a response that has no legitimate points to counter my idea.so don't waist any of my time.