I beg to differ... Snipers are not meaningless in this game

When I snipe, my team notices my impact.

Due to my Thale, we have one of our objectives permanently safe, that tower-camping swarmer/forger terrorizing our derpships/infantry is dead, and enemy AV infantry get shot to pieces allowing my team's HAV to run rampant in half of the map.


Sounds like you just hate crappy snipers... But bad snipers are no different then the useless AR nutters who die 17 times score 150 warpoints.

Dude... don't give me the Sniper wishful thinking rant.. I've heard it 1000x... You wish you could single handedly defend an objective. You wish you could pop an enemy's head off just as he's about to kill your teammate, being a hero... you wish you could earn enough kills to balance out the bottom half of your team... you wish all of that BUT YOU CAN'T... I've never seen it, witnessed it, or even heard about...

A sniper gets about 1 key shot every game, if they are lucky, that's it. All you do is kill Scouts and Starter Fits, and coutnersnipe the other useless snipers on the other team.

DUST 514 Fact: The team with the most snipers, LOSES everytime.

I Charge Snipe the brains and balls of of PRO Heavies and Callogis bricktanking on a regular basis.

I get around 20 kills with a sniper when I'm in the right position, and have prevented hacks numerous times. There are a lot of $#!t snipers, and I may not be the best (never will be), but I do think that a sniper can have it's uses in the right situation.

I beg to differ... Snipers are not meaningless in this game

When I snipe, my team notices my impact.

Due to my Thale, we have one of our objectives permanently safe, that tower-camping swarmer/forger terrorizing our derpships/infantry is dead, and enemy AV infantry get shot to pieces allowing my team's HAV to run rampant in half of the map.


Sounds like you just hate crappy snipers... But bad snipers are no different then the useless AR nutters who die 17 times score 150 warpoints.

This.

You know how people always ***** about it when an uplink gets on top of a building only reachable by dropships? (AKA the reason why people ***** about weapons with splash)
Well, I actually farmed kills with a sniper from one of those instances a little while ago, while saving the asses of all the mindless blueberries they were shooting down at.

I knew I'd catch flack for pointing out the obvious and trying to taint the Sniper's Illusion of Grandeur, but back to the topic. Should they be allowed to snipe from behind the redline?

The real question is, should brainless AR users be allowed to pointlessly run in circles around an abandoned objective?
The ratio of AR users to snipers who do nothing in a battle is far higher. Meat shield dies 20 times... x3 meats = 60 of 100 clones down the drain.

In case you forget clones can loose the battle as well.
I'd rather have a useless sniper on a hill than a useless AR user careening us to clone defeat.

What is it about you guys that you all assume everyone is an AR user? Or better yet, I get accused of being an AR Wh0re on this board all the time; like its an insult...

Newflash: I DO NOT USE THE AR!! Not everyone is convinced that's the only way to play this game (although I'll probably convert sooner than later)


I'll still take those meat shields on my team, because they can:

-hack objectives
-get more kills cause they aren't restricted to one side of a map
-farm WP by being a Logi

all sniper think about is their KD, because its the only stat they have that's impressive. Yet all the highest KDs in the game have the worst Win/loss percentages I have ever seen...
when DUST has a game mode that rewards you team with winning by having the single best KD on the team, then I'll consider sniping more relevant.
Sitting there and averaging 1 kill per minute isn't really doing anything...

What is it about you guys that you all assume everyone is an AR user? Or better yet, I get accused of being an AR Wh0re on this board all the time; like its an insult...

Newflash: I DO NOT USE THE AR!! Not everyone is convinced that's the only way to play this game (although I'll probably convert sooner than later)


I'll still take those meat shields on my team, because they can:

-hack objectives
-get more kills cause they aren't restricted to one side of a map
-farm WP by being a Logi

all sniper think about is their KD, because its the only stat they have that's impressive. Yet all the highest KDs in the game have the worst Win/loss percentages I have ever seen...
when DUST has a game mode that rewards you team with winning by having the single best KD on the team, then I'll consider sniping more relevant.
Sitting there and averaging 1 kill per minute isn't really doing anything...

Hopefully that situation isn't a team dropping an uplink on an Objective and 6 of them trying to hack it at once....
Highest Sniper game I have ever seen was 56 kills with a Thale's. That guy got an Orbital dropped on him TWICE (he somehow survived the first one)... But you know what? His team still lost.

Where did I say you used an AR in this thread?
You're ranting in doublethink now. See how you claim meat shields can get more kills? Then say that snipers don't get kills, then prior you complained about a sniper getting 50 or so kills?

This sniper did just what you asked him to do Probably even had a few uplinks around the center of the field too, as that's what all the high end snipers do. Uplink then hunt from point to point.

You aren't arguing on any logic whatsoever, you're just ranting because you got shot halfway across the map and are trying to justify why you are unable to hit them back.

Also, here's a question. Why would you need someone on the ground to hack back a point if no enemy can survive long enough to reach the point?

Wishful thinking as usual... ...

The day a sniper skills me twice in one match is the day I'll come back on here and take it all back. The day a sniper apparently shuts down the entire enemy team is the day I come on here and take it all back. They day i've died 100x by snipers is the day I take it all back...

Sure, you can sight one time examples, but so can anyone else in this game about anything. And I wasn't complainging about the Thale's guy, I said it was the best I have ever seen. And remember the part where I mentioned that his team still lost? How can you kill a third of the clones and still lose?

Sorry, but its fact. Look everywhere on YouTube if you want, you won't find any evidence of these heroic snipers there either. I think you guys watch to many movies...
Let me know when you get a 3000WP while sniping too.

This little part here practically screams that you're floundering for ideas, and the only way you could possibly back your point is to appear "majestically dismissive". Such posing didn't keep kings on their thrones hundreds of years ago, and it still fails to work today.



Being killed twice in a game by the same sniper isn't that hard of a thing for a sniper to do.
You already quoted a sniper shutting a team down, the 56 kills. Too bad the ground support was inadequate for such a huge handicap.
Also getting killed 100 times is statistically impossible in most games as the cap of clones is set to 100.

So logic would dictate, that I was talking about 100 Lifetime kills...
The 56 kill guy didn't shut the team down obviously, because we were still wrecking enough to win and get 5-6 Orbitals... When you see those higher kill games, its just a handful of sttarter fit noobs making repeated bad decisions, the one guy manhandling the entire team.
And, I've never been killed by a sniper in-game twice, but that's just me. Obviously there are great snipers in this game (listen carefully, because chances are you'll choose to ignore this part because it doesn't fuel your argument) that can get multiple kills, and assist in protecting an objective. But, all they can do is get kills. Which means very little in the overall scheme of the game. Snipers have high KDs but terrible win/loss and WP records, because they don't contribute to the team in any other facet other than getting a handful of kill, most of them meaningless.


Failure of ground support, namely people like you who rant and rave instead of going out and doing.


I don't just snipe, I have points in everything from Heavy, to Vehicles, to Assault, and I'm looking toward logistics. Mix'n match is what every upper tier sniper does. You think they just sit in one suit the entire game in one corner? Nope, that's just the bad ones. The good ones pelt a few shots down to annoy people, switch suits, then assist with flanking while the opponents are still hallucinating about a sniper on the "hill over yonder".

I'd say it works PRETTY DAMN WELL, because you're here complaining about snipers on the "hill over yonder".

What is it about you guys that you all assume everyone is an AR user? Or better yet, I get accused of being an AR Wh0re on this board all the time; like its an insult...

Newflash: I DO NOT USE THE AR!! Not everyone is convinced that's the only way to play this game (although I'll probably convert sooner than later)


I'll still take those meat shields on my team, because they can:

-hack objectives
-get more kills cause they aren't restricted to one side of a map
-farm WP by being a Logi

all sniper think about is their KD, because its the only stat they have that's impressive. Yet all the highest KDs in the game have the worst Win/loss percentages I have ever seen...
when DUST has a game mode that rewards you team with winning by having the single best KD on the team, then I'll consider sniping more relevant.
Sitting there and averaging 1 kill per minute isn't really doing anything...

I haven't seen ignorance like this on these forums in awhile.

Good snipers don't sit on one side of the map and just camp kills.

I am CONSTANTLY moving. As soon as i shoot someone or kill them I assume they know where I am. I am running a scout suit with full scan dampening and scan amps. I have no tank. I am moving around the entire redline taking shots. If I am 100M from an objective and NO one is around (since I can see from my perch) I'll run down and take it come back and perch again. The other team is spending a lot of time undoing everything I do. That allows my team to hold other objectives.

I can SEE the other team running around scared of me. They change where they run and divert their attention. Half my kills are simply kill assists from wounding shots with my Kaalakiota Rifle that my squad finishes as they panic after getting hit once.

After I headshot the other teams logi my squad rushes them. Oh yeah I am CONSTANTLY feeding intel on enemy movements and where their tank is.

I am one of the LYNCH PINS of my squad.

Just because you run into dumb snipers doesn't mean snipers can't be a highly valuable member of a team.

So logic would dictate, that I was talking about 100 Lifetime kills...
The 56 kill guy didn't shut the team down obviously, because we were still wrecking enough to win and get 5-6 Orbitals... When you see those higher kill games, its just a handful of sttarter fit noobs making repeated bad decisions, the one guy manhandling the entire team.
And, I've never been killed by a sniper in-game twice, but that's just me. Obviously there are great snipers in this game (listen carefully, because chances are you'll choose to ignore this part because it doesn't fuel your argument) that can get multiple kills, and assist in protecting an objective. But, all they can do is get kills. Which means very little in the overall scheme of the game. Snipers have high KDs but terrible win/loss and WP records, because they don't contribute to the team in any other facet other than getting a handful of kill, most of them meaningless.

So, you can't tell me about a 3000WP sniper match then, can you? Okay, come back when you hear of one. I made the very point of mentioning in the start of this post, that I don't think snipers are a problem, and that they are in fact; useless; that they don't hinder my game what-so-ever. I was making the point of the simple rules of engagement. Being able to shoot and kill (all be it very seldom) from out of bounds kind of throws off the whole point of having a redzone in the first place I think.

My post is about smaller maps and redline sniping, not trying to prove how a sniper can once-in-a-blue-moon being semi-useful.

Honestly, snipers can be detrimental to a team, and they can also be fundamental. Your argument against snipers is like saying if Logis are doing there job healing, what good are they in cloning a team. There are many classes that are like snipers, poor scouts and also dropships.

I don't hear Dropship pilots or Scouts talking about how they are the heroes of most matches in DUST 514. Do snipers need more to do in the match other than get good KDR games once and a while? Yes. But everything a Sniper can do, everyone else can do it better, and then some.

I don't hear Dropship pilots or Scouts talking about how they are the heroes of most matches in DUST 514. Do snipers need more to do in the match other than get good KDR games once and a while? Yes. But everything a Sniper can do, everyone else can do it better, and then some.