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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance
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Posted - 2013.11.10 03:31:00 -
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8213 wrote:I knew I'd catch flack for pointing out the obvious and trying to taint the Sniper's Illusion of Grandeur, but back to the topic. Should they be allowed to snipe from behind the redline?
The real question is, should brainless AR users be allowed to pointlessly run in circles around an abandoned objective?
The ratio of AR users to snipers who do nothing in a battle is far higher. Meat shield dies 20 times... x3 meats = 60 of 100 clones down the drain.
In case you forget clones can loose the battle as well.
I'd rather have a useless sniper on a hill than a useless AR user careening us to clone defeat.
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.11.10 03:59:00 -
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8213 wrote:Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:8213 wrote:I knew I'd catch flack for pointing out the obvious and trying to taint the Sniper's Illusion of Grandeur, but back to the topic. Should they be allowed to snipe from behind the redline? The real question is, should brainless AR users be allowed to pointlessly run in circles around an abandoned objective? The ratio of AR users to snipers who do nothing in a battle is far higher. Meat shield dies 20 times... x3 meats = 60 of 100 clones down the drain. In case you forget clones can loose the battle as well. I'd rather have a useless sniper on a hill than a useless AR user careening us to clone defeat. What is it about you guys that you all assume everyone is an AR user? Or better yet, I get accused of being an AR Wh0re on this board all the time; like its an insult... Newflash: I DO NOT USE THE AR!! Not everyone is convinced that's the only way to play this game (although I'll probably convert sooner than later) I'll still take those meat shields on my team, because they can: -hack objectives -get more kills cause they aren't restricted to one side of a map -farm WP by being a Logi all sniper think about is their KD, because its the only stat they have that's impressive. Yet all the highest KDs in the game have the worst Win/loss percentages I have ever seen... when DUST has a game mode that rewards you team with winning by having the single best KD on the team, then I'll consider sniping more relevant. Sitting there and averaging 1 kill per minute isn't really doing anything...
Where did I say you used an AR in this thread?
You're ranting in doublethink now. See how you claim meat shields can get more kills? Then say that snipers don't get kills, then prior you complained about a sniper getting 50 or so kills?
8213 wrote:Hopefully that situation isn't a team dropping an uplink on an Objective and 6 of them trying to hack it at once....
Highest Sniper game I have ever seen was 56 kills with a Thale's. That guy got an Orbital dropped on him TWICE (he somehow survived the first one)... But you know what? His team still lost.
This sniper did just what you asked him to do Probably even had a few uplinks around the center of the field too, as that's what all the high end snipers do. Uplink then hunt from point to point.
You aren't arguing on any logic whatsoever, you're just ranting because you got shot halfway across the map and are trying to justify why you are unable to hit them back.
Also, here's a question. Why would you need someone on the ground to hack back a point if no enemy can survive long enough to reach the point?
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.11.10 04:34:00 -
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8213 wrote:Wishful thinking as usual... ...
This little part here practically screams that you're floundering for ideas, and the only way you could possibly back your point is to appear "majestically dismissive". Such posing didn't keep kings on their thrones hundreds of years ago, and it still fails to work today.
8213 wrote:The day a sniper skills me twice in one match is the day I'll come back on here and take it all back. The day a sniper apparently shuts down the entire enemy team is the day I come on here and take it all back. They day i've died 100x by snipers is the day I take it all back...
Being killed twice in a game by the same sniper isn't that hard of a thing for a sniper to do.
You already quoted a sniper shutting a team down, the 56 kills. Too bad the ground support was inadequate for such a huge handicap.
Also getting killed 100 times is statistically impossible in most games as the cap of clones is set to 100.
8213 wrote:
Sure, you can sight one time examples, but so can anyone else in this game about anything. And I wasn't complainging about the Thale's guy, I said it was the best I have ever seen. And remember the part where I mentioned that his team still lost? How can you kill a third of the clones and still lose?
Failure of ground support, namely people like you who rant and rave instead of going out and doing.
8213 wrote:
Sorry, but its fact. Look everywhere on YouTube if you want, you won't find any evidence of these heroic snipers there either. I think you guys watch to many movies...
Let me know when you get a 3000WP while sniping too.
I don't just snipe, I have points in everything from Heavy, to Vehicles, to Assault, and I'm looking toward logistics. Mix'n match is what every upper tier sniper does. You think they just sit in one suit the entire game in one corner? Nope, that's just the bad ones. The good ones pelt a few shots down to annoy people, switch suits, then assist with flanking while the opponents are still hallucinating about a sniper on the "hill over yonder".
I'd say it works PRETTY DAMN WELL, because you're here complaining about snipers on the "hill over yonder".
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.11.10 05:37:00 -
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8213 wrote:So logic would dictate, that I was talking about 100 Lifetime kills...  The 56 kill guy didn't shut the team down obviously, because we were still wrecking enough to win and get 5-6 Orbitals... When you see those higher kill games, its just a handful of sttarter fit noobs making repeated bad decisions, the one guy manhandling the entire team. And, I've never been killed by a sniper in-game twice, but that's just me. Obviously there are great snipers in this game (listen carefully, because chances are you'll choose to ignore this part because it doesn't fuel your argument) that can get multiple kills, and assist in protecting an objective. But, all they can do is get kills. Which means very little in the overall scheme of the game. Snipers have high KDs but terrible win/loss and WP records, because they don't contribute to the team in any other facet other than getting a handful of kill, most of them meaningless.
How does you not getting killed in a game twice by a sniper prove snipers are bad? Wouldn't that prove more that sniper rifles need more damage to be able to kill?That their damage scaling is awful? It's a pretty pointless and vapid point because it does not quantify for either bad shooting or substandard damage as it is all opinion currently.
Protecting a point, dropping uplinks, and scanning for hostiles, are all unimportant roles in Dust people! You've heard it here summarized from 8213's post:
"If You use any of these tactics you must automatically suck! But ONLY because snipers use these 3 support systems!"
8213 wrote:
So, you can't tell me about a 3000WP sniper match then, can you? Okay, come back when you hear of one. I made the very point of mentioning in the start of this post, that I don't think snipers are a problem, and that they are in fact; useless; that they don't hinder my game what-so-ever. I was making the point of the simple rules of engagement. Being able to shoot and kill (all be it very seldom) from out of bounds kind of throws off the whole point of having a redzone in the first place I think.
My post is about smaller maps and redline sniping, not trying to prove how a sniper can once-in-a-blue-moon being semi-useful.
A sniper getting more than 3000 WP? like... the livestreams I'm watching now? MPX just went a round with more than 3000 SP... Albeit he messed around in a car for half the battle but he got more than 3000 after using a sniper.
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