I believe he was assuming that you guys were saying that when you guys said they could defend an objective single handed.

I believe he was assuming that you guys were saying that when you guys said they could defend an objective single handed.

I believe he was assuming that you guys were saying that when you guys said they could defend an objective single handed.

I was playing around tonight and noticed two things that sort of tie into one another.
Since CCP's new Executive Producer wanted to "turn up the action", I noticed something in Ambush OMS games and it ties to an earlier thought I had about redline sniping.

First things first: Redline Snipers.
You know when you play basketball, and if you shoot the ball and goes into the basket, but your foot stepped out of bounds, the shot doesn't count? Why would a sniper be allowed to sit out of bounds and still get rewarded with doing damage?

Now, I'm not venting about it. In fact, snipers are MEANINGLESS in this game. They don't contribute, even in Ambush game modes. Snipers can b*tch all they want about that, but face facts; snipers make no impact on games other than being nuisances. If I get killed by one, I really don't care, because its only one death and it won't happen again.

These maps are plenty big enough where the sniper can still have major distance without being out of bounds in the red zone.

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I beg to differ... Snipers are not meaningless in this game

When I snipe, my team notices my impact.

Due to my Thale, we have one of our objectives permanently safe, that tower-camping swarmer/forger terrorizing our derpships/infantry is dead, and enemy AV infantry get shot to pieces allowing my team's HAV to run rampant in half of the map.


Sounds like you just hate crappy snipers... But bad snipers are no different then the useless AR nutters who die 17 times score 150 warpoints.

An asset, yes. A lynch pin, don't fool yourself. I'm positive your squad can win matches without you, and without you sniping just the same...

But i like how you talked about sniping from the redline... which is what this thread was 1/2 about. So, do you think its fair that you get to sit out of bounds but still collect? What other game on planet earth allows you to score from out of bounds?

Being a sniper, I'd say that all snipers using anything other than a thales is useless. Sure, with a charged, you'll be able to take out most weak pub reddots. However, when it comes to a full proto'd squad on the other side, no sniper rifle but the thales will be of any real help because it is simply too inefficient to use anything else. Also, of course you'll have those times when you need a sniper to take out AV or counter snipe, but that shouldn't really be a full-time job because AV isn't in at every moment of every game. Most snipers are non-factors and to counter them is more of a fleeting thought to most people.

Full-time snipers are even more useless on maps that have a supply depot, due to the fact that anyone can switch to a sniper at anytime in the match. Even in matches without supply depots, one can simply spawn into a sniper fit, take out who needs to be taken out and then switch back.

Also lets not forget about active scanners. Any snipers who say that they are important for relaying info to their team haven't realized how useless they are. A logi with an active scanner is worth their weight in Aurum.

They have their time and place, and on the battlefield it is important to be flexible.

As a closing thought, it comes down to effectiveness of the individual and how conducive they are to winning. Thus I find most people useless, including myself at times. If a specific role isn't being fulfilled at the right time, then don't expect to win against a team that is playing counter to your play style.

Something has to be done about Redline Snipers. They are in the camping on objective A in the redline, risking nothing. Either decrease Sniper range or tighten the map so that they are vulnerable even in the redline.

The team with 5 or more snipers will always lose

If, as some say, snipers are meaningless and irrelevant, we should petition for a buff to snipers....

Truth be told, if they eliminated the redline ability, I am all for buffing Snipers. Maybe then, they'd be more of a threat and taken more seriously by the other team. Unless its a Thale's to the head, A sniper can't really OHK me if I'm running my typical fit.

Snipers usually are on the receiving end of +25. They will have 2-3x as many assists as kills, and the kills they do get are just finishing off what their teammate had started...

Nobody with any form of experience in this game fears snipers... Sure, I'll drop on Orbital on them, but that's just because its a big time saver than flanking for 2km to just Charge my SCR into the back of there head.

1.) Most people don't redline snipe, so I wouldn't care.

2.) Most of my kills are generated from 2HKs with a Kaalakioita, or an OHKO from my Charge sniper rifle. I don't rely on finishing what people started to generate kills. You aren't even a PRO sniper so I don't see why you think you can make a generalized statement about them.

3.) I'm glad they don't fear snipers. That way they won't be keeping their eyes peeled for me when I introduce a charge shot to their face.

4.) Drop an Orbital on me. I don't care. You just wasted 2500 WP and I could easily continue sniping as well as snipe the idiots watching the last spot. And the 70k it takes to restock my suit is nothing when I average 250-300k per match.

blah, blah blah... nobody buys you fictionalization of recounts of what you wish would happen in games. Ever wonder why snipers make highlight reels instead of posting full games on YouTube for example? You say that you're squad clones other teams while sniping? Show me a game where a squad of 6 snipers got 25 kills each, or even a collective of 100...

Just because you had a decent game once, doesn't mean it happens the majority of the time (or 1.10th of the time).

So, tell me about a time where you WEREN'T playing starter fit noobs, or tell me about a time you were doing all this heroic stuff in P/C.... I'll wait for you right here.

My squad can Orbys fer days, dropping one on you is more of a troll than anything. You having a fly buzzing around your head, you swat it; kill it for being annoying. we know we didn't accomplish anything by dropping it on you, we just wanted to laugh. Because our team is actually doing work and getting Orbys, while you think you're being some make believe Black-Ops Navy Commando and not earning your team any WP or decent amount of kills.

You are hard headed and stubborn and i can not take what you say seriously, anymore. I have stated truths and all you do is dismiss them with crazy backwards logic. If i see you on the battlefield...you better believe i will spend the whole match...stalking you and annoying you..all the while helping my team.

Highest Sniper game I have ever seen was 56 kills with a Thale's. That guy got an Orbital dropped on him TWICE (he somehow survived the first one)... But you know what? His team still lost.

I can earn more WP with a Swarm Launcher than the best sniper ever could.

Perhaps the rest of the team was to blame? If someone singlehandedly kills over 1/3rd of the enemies clones, deprives them of 2 orbitals and probably netted a lot of assisted kills, I'd say he's been quite the asset to the team.

Keep on dreaming. How many HAV's do you think you can kill in one game?