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Sclompton Face-Smasher
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Posted - 2013.11.10 21:19:00 -
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All I have to say is that snipers Need a good vantage point or atleast a good spot that uses their range to the fullest and to say tighter maps can help (the frontliners, logi assaults, and heavys if they don't die from all the frontliners ars or SR's) the snipers or makes this game completely null aand void to snipers making it another COD just without snipers.
I mean seriously snipers can't aren't really effective in medium range ( but some are bad***) if someone is easily swarmed because grunts go off and die and their the ones that's considered tanks in the game (not even heavys  ) added to the fact that medium range is where the people using the ar, sr, and subs can destroy the sniper almost easily because it still takes 2-3 shots to kill one person (not even going to talk thales because we all understand and even that takes 2 shots on even protos) so it would make the class to be less fundemental to the cause of making dust better.
So I say is make the map bigger so the assault/logi assaults can stfu and us snipers can go about our day. So til the AR and SR dmg against heavy suits gets fixed you will not see me being pure CQC at all.I do run scout with a shotty and try to hold objectives at the beginning of match that I find hard to maneuver around so instead of dying 20 times over for the sake (can't spell and don't know why right now) of winning a game that you're supposed to be playing for fun... 
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Sclompton Face-Smasher
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Posted - 2013.12.17 23:35:00 -
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Kira Takizawa wrote:ALPHA DECRIPTER wrote:*Stopped after page 1* You feel snipers are useless yet you want to make things harder for them which will make them even more useless. You say snipers don't adhere you progress at all yet you feel something needs to be done about them. Why? Mind you, I don't like the idea of redline sniping either but I just can't seem to grasp your reasoning for this post.  I guess it's because we annoy him or slow his advances while we are in play. That is the only reason I can see.
Lol bro you already know when we tag team snipe a game they instantly think we're going for K/D when it's really a job for GRUNTS who say ALL snipers are bad when we keep them for killing our own grunts... it's a damn shame that when you take the easy way of getting the most over-powered weapons that now have even longer range and still can keep all that damage they dish but, I guess they don't know that as a sniper we have to deal with:
1. Lag because nobody on this game knows when it's going to hit.
2. The stress it takes to get a decent headshot on a running grunt Assault Logi, Heavy (yes I know I said it), Scout (damn minni scouts...).
3. Now we don't even know if we hit you or not because it doesn't show to us.
4. We can see through the walls most of the time and it throws us of because we still get the 175% damage even though we can't even hit them.
5. Sometimes your right in front of us like someone who is tower-anything on the anvil but as soon as they step toward the side of the top of the anvil they disappear and are unable to be shot.
So don't brush off all snipers as bad snipers just they didn't kill that target that you GRUNTS can't hit for once and want to complain about... Also in my opinion **** all who say the redline is OP you run in there anyway when you redline a team you pub-stomped, proto-stomped, advanced-stomped, and I personally count this as a stomp now... OP weapon stomped into oblivion and force them to lose more suits and money.. which is only contered by a corp that has enough isk to pay back all the suits they lost. |
Sclompton Face-Smasher
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Posted - 2013.12.19 21:54:00 -
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Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:I don't begrudge a sniper redlining if their whole team is redlined, I just prefer to try to get around the enemy, when I'm on my scout alt, and take them from behind. What bugs me is the snipers who redline even when their team isn't redlined.
I can't even say I hate you but when you've played long enough then you know all the spots or even find new ones few snipers know about and if they happen to be in the redline and it's a spot where you can either shoot, notify others about or at least damage so the little grunts can finish off red berries with their op weapons then I don't care how much people complain...but there are dumb*** snipers who glitch and just sit in the redline because they don't know how to survive inside the redline and their prime play style is assault then that's when all snipers are considered bad and which caused the redline to seem like a crutch to all snipers. I mean seriously first off the first person to say "another sniper hero story" can kill themselves 150 times for protostomping team... but I sat in a spot in the redline on them map with the metal pipes that go almost all the way across the map (suck at names) and kept the enemy team from spawning on the pipes for about 2 minutes straight until another sniper finally peck me enough to annoy me to counter snipe him and get back to business and shoot at the pipes again only to find out they gave up on it. I ended up with about 17 kills at the end (I don't give a **** about K/D) so I think that counts as area denial, kills, and protecting my grunts. Also I go all over maps to find a good spot before anybody says anything about I camp the redline.  Sorry about the read.. |
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Posted - 2013.12.19 22:02:00 -
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Atiim wrote:HOLY CRAP A CORP MATE USES THE FORUMS!
 Corp buddy!! |
Sclompton Face-Smasher
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Posted - 2013.12.19 22:13:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Sclompton Face-Smasher wrote:Atiim wrote:HOLY CRAP A CORP MATE USES THE FORUMS! Corp buddy!! I thought I'd never see the day. I finally have a real forum friend.  Also, were you the one sniping in those FW matches? Or was that Ruunt?
We played a few amarr FW yesterday be we mostly play ambush and skirmish |
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Posted - 2013.12.19 22:27:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Sclompton Face-Smasher wrote:Atiim wrote:Sclompton Face-Smasher wrote:Atiim wrote:HOLY CRAP A CORP MATE USES THE FORUMS! Corp buddy!! I thought I'd never see the day. I finally have a real forum friend. Also, were you the one sniping in those FW matches? Or was that Ruunt? We played a few amarr FW yesterday be we mostly play ambush and skirmish Oh. Well i don't play Amarr FW, but I hope it was fun. Have you seen Dark or Athena on lately? I want to ask them something.
Haven't seen athena and I think I saw Dark pop on then just leave. I'll check when I get on a little later |
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Posted - 2013.12.19 22:37:00 -
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Takron Nistrom wrote:Is it just me or do these BBW guys ***** a lot?
lol 8213 is cool from time to time but I don't how to answer that... |
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Posted - 2013.12.23 23:15:00 -
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8213 wrote:Poonmunch wrote:Asirius Medaius wrote:8213 wrote: Now, I'm not venting about it. In fact, snipers are MEANINGLESS in this game. Stopped reading right there; Just another scrub of a player without the wit to understand the numerous roles a sniper can take. I'm going to stop typing now before I feel like I have wasted too much time talking to inbreds with no sense of real critical thinking. Yah, stuff like that bugs me too. But my in-game mail frequently has a few angry, insulting messages from my victims in it. Munch Well, when you actually contribute to a match more than just aggravating the other team, let me know. When matches can be won by the amount of hatemail you receive let me know. Yes, snipers p*ss people off... but they don't contribute to games, EVER. Not once has a game been decided by which ever team had the better snipers. Because they are 1 dimensional roles that teams can do with, or without. Snipers are just selfish players who only care about their own KD. Look at the leaderboards, look at the highest KDs in the game. They are all snipers... then look at their win/loss ratios... I've been playing this game for quite a while, and have NEVER seen a sniper make a difference in a game, or be a game changer. Not once. Out the 100,000s of matches I have played.
Then you dont deserve to Dust or be able to lick CCP's left *** cheek if you NEVER have seen a sniper make a difference in a game in the 100,000's of matches you played. Also stfu about snipers and K/D. It's all about being able to even use your fit in the first place whether it's pure in-game isk, AUR, or loyalty. Plus with all the tankers and sad excuses of tankers, people with OP ranged weapons and Active scanners that ARE trying to pad their K/D out there; there will be an over excess of new snipers that sit in the red line JUST to get away from all the BS that people like you want us (not talking about me or any other snipers like me) to be a part of. Plus don't even try to sound like your the "glamorus" assault, frontline grunt that has ever been added to Dust when i've seen you personally wear FOTM and run around acting llike your the **** just because of your suit/ weapon you used. Also while i'm at it.... doesn't it **** with your brain and psyche when you know if you go a certain way or into a certain area of the map on any game that you'll be pecked or killed by a sniper? Or how about since us snipers have had a set DPS since life on New Eden we get compensation for it just like all of the AR's and new variations of it with the ability to hit anyone with 500+ damage in a few seconds? I don't know like a damage BUFF or at least give every sniper the zoom of a Thale's TAR 07' Sniper Rifle (I put the whole name for a reason) just because your OP rifles keep getting better and better. Oh wait!! That's too unreasonable because the grunts are getting mad that their getting shot from somewhere that they have to RUN to shoot their next victim. I mean seriously how mad can you get when a "Redline Sniper" (don't care if they were there all game or not) stops red berries from going a certain way just so you grunts can continue stockpiling your kills that... wait for it... YOU grunts are so happy about because that means... wait again you can redline them!! Just like you always want to happen so you can get your precious SP which help EVERYONE out. |
Sclompton Face-Smasher
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Posted - 2013.12.29 03:11:00 -
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8213 wrote:Sclompton Face-Smasher wrote:
Then you dont deserve to Dust or be able to lick CCP's left *** cheek if you NEVER have seen a sniper make a difference in a game in the 100,000's of matches you played. Also stfu about snipers and K/D. It's all about being able to even use your fit in the first place whether it's pure in-game isk, AUR, or loyalty. Plus with all the tankers and sad excuses of tankers, people with OP ranged weapons and Active scanners that ARE trying to pad their K/D out there; there will be an over excess of new snipers that sit in the red line JUST to get away from all the BS that people like you want us (not talking about me or any other snipers like me) to be a part of. Plus don't even try to sound like your the "glamorus" assault, frontline grunt that has ever been added to Dust when i've seen you personally wear FOTM and run around acting llike your the **** just because of your suit/ weapon you used. Also while i'm at it.... doesn't it **** with your brain and psyche when you know if you go a certain way or into a certain area of the map on any game that you'll be pecked or killed by a sniper? Or how about since us snipers have had a set DPS since life on New Eden we get compensation for it just like all of the AR's and new variations of it with the ability to hit anyone with 500+ damage in a few seconds? I don't know like a damage BUFF or at least give every sniper the zoom of a Thale's TAR 07' Sniper Rifle (I put the whole name for a reason) just because your OP rifles keep getting better and better. Oh wait!! That's too unreasonable because the grunts are getting mad that their getting shot from somewhere that they have to RUN to shoot their next victim. I mean seriously how mad can you get when a "Redline Sniper" (don't care if they were there all game or not) stops red berries from going a certain way just so you grunts can continue stockpiling your kills that... wait for it... YOU grunts are so happy about because that means... wait again you can redline them!! Just like you always want to happen so you can get your precious SP which help EVERYONE out.
All of what you said has been noted elsewhere in the thread. Im planning proper sniper research soon. I want to dive into your world and hopefully learn something. But my DUST career has been as follows: Scout SG Caldari Shield tank assault w/ AR Tanking (before 1.7) Currently Amarr (Assault/SCR combo) fighting for Caldari mostly Next I will be Forge Gunning (currently at lvl 4) So, what FoTM have you seen me use? I don't even think I own any FoTM gear, especially at the time of the FoTM. Its really all I want to address about your post.
You were using SCR when we all knew it was the gun of the month still is though... AR... enough said but with that said but I have to respect the Scout SG fit and as of this new update I HATE all tanks |
Sclompton Face-Smasher
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Posted - 2013.12.29 03:21:00 -
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GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR wrote:Lol to all the snipers u guys are camping turds no matter if u get 1 kill or 100
No 1 gives two fucks go back to sleep.
Go waste all the clones you stupid grunt. |
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Sclompton Face-Smasher
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Posted - 2013.12.29 04:56:00 -
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Poonmunch wrote:LUGMOS wrote:If you want to hear a scout say they were the hero of a battle once, I'll tell you a true story:
Both teams had about 1/4 of their MCC HP left. My team had just hacked an objective that would put the null cannon count in our favor 3-2. I killed a counter hacker, and then another, and then another. In my Minnie Scout. Cool. That's great and I'm glad a scoutbro can contribute like that. On a similar note: I do that dozens of times each week. All dedicated snipers do. On another note: You can take the redline away OP but I want the sniper rifle damage and ranges to be scaled properly. Give me accurate long range rendering. This means making sniper scopes much, much better. With a proper scope, your body will fill my scope at 500m. In real life, an average sniper should be able to kill reliably out to 1000m. The best that I'm aware of was a Canadian who killed a Taliban guy at 2430m. Master Corporal Rob Furlong of the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry. I'll be happy if I can sit back 1000m and harvest skulls. Trust me, you won't want to walk that far to get me. You'll just get tired and I'll have moved on anyway. Munch
I like that proposition and how do you get the words on the bottom of all of your comments?
I mean the dedicated sniper part |
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Posted - 2013.12.29 06:15:00 -
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Vesago Ghostcore wrote:I am a Sniper. If the map calls for it. If it doesnt, I run Logi or Assault... haven't really gotten a feel for the scout or heavy yet, but I do both from time to time.
If Objective C is tightly overrun with red dots, and is in a position of high cover I might spawn in an HMG. If there are no uplinks on the bridge I might spawn in a Logi and try to open the gates as it were. If B is a mess, and uplinks aren't an issue i might spawn in my min assault.
I am average, maybe a little better in CQC, but I do it all the time...
And if a bunch of red dots drop uplinks in the open... if the map is suited to sniping... If ive died 6 times already to proto stomping badasses... if we are losing but the clone count of the enemy is in the teens... If there are 5 tanks killing everything wholesale, and my squad needs a competant spotter... Or if i just plain feel like it.... I snipe.
***** all you want about the snipers in the redline killing you, that's your right. Maybe you haven't noticed that guys on your side are doing it too. Guess what, sometimes it takes a sniper to kill a sniper. I do it all the time. You can ask anyone that's played with me in squad, if someone says "Sniper!" my first word is "Where?" and i will hunt the guy down. I think this is probably happening more than you realize.
Sure I have ridiculous matches where i kill in the high 20's, but most times I get a lot less kills sniping because I'm taking my job seriously. I will ignore the easy shots to put 3-4 charge shots into a FG sniping Heavy with 1500 HP. I will chase a sniper into his own redline and kill him with my SMG if i need to. I move all over the place because once you find me i'm dead. I pay 47k for a rifle because I must. The "Covenant" just doesn't get the job done... And all those Assists... that's cause i just made the difference between you... the assault ...killing the guy that was about to tear you down in a one on one.
I don't own a Thales, just havent been lucky enough to get one yet. If I do, I'll probably use them from the redline...
Your welcome.
Let the grunts do what they must and die leave them to their COD514 **** mag with pictures of a broken-up rail rifle and flower on a Gallente Logi Gk.0 |
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Posted - 2013.12.30 16:01:00 -
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Poonmunch wrote:Leonid Tybalt wrote:Poonmunch wrote:LUGMOS wrote:If you want to hear a scout say they were the hero of a battle once, I'll tell you a true story:
Both teams had about 1/4 of their MCC HP left. My team had just hacked an objective that would put the null cannon count in our favor 3-2. I killed a counter hacker, and then another, and then another. In my Minnie Scout. Cool. That's great and I'm glad a scoutbro can contribute like that. On a similar note: I do that dozens of times each week. All dedicated snipers do. On another note: You can take the redline away OP but I want the sniper rifle damage and ranges to be scaled properly. Give me accurate long range rendering. This means making sniper scopes much, much better. With a proper scope, your body will fill my scope at 500m. In real life, an average sniper should be able to kill reliably out to 1000m. The best that I'm aware of was a Canadian who killed a Taliban guy at 2430m. Master Corporal Rob Furlong of the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry. I'll be happy if I can sit back 1000m and harvest skulls. Trust me, you won't want to walk that far to get me. You'll just get tired and I'll have moved on anyway. Munch Let's not get carried away here. Snipers in dust already have an easy time because their sci-fi sniper rifles don't suffer from bullet drop but rather go in a completely straight line regardless of range. Hitting a target at 1000 meters away requires some serious compensation for wind and bullet-drop for real world snipers, so unless you're gonna be forced to deal with that, then getting even more range with the SR will end up in the realm of OP. Well, there's bullet drop compensation, wind compensation, vehicles that right themselves, vehicles that take no damage when they flip, drivers that take no damage when their vehicles flip, inertia dampeners that slow me down in mid-air, scanners that reveal enemy positions through a bunch of walls, nanohives that automatically repair me, nanohives that produce ammunition from ... nothing, drop uplinks that automatically spawn me at some place, dropsuits that repair themselves, transferring dead souls to new clones, faster than light travel and other serious violations of the basic laws of general and special relativity, thermodynamics and common sense. There are arm-waving explanations for it all, including the super sophisticated HUD and aiming system that is in my sniper helmet. It compensates for target position and speed as well as wind speed, humidity and other stuff. It does all the math for me. I position myself as best I can and pull the trigger. Sometimes the math is a bit off, I move a bit or my aim simply isn't fast enough to compensate for the fast-changing calculations and I miss. What the heck is your point? Get off my cloud, man. It's a science-fukking-fiction game. Munch
True but seriously why would a little more zoom or damage be a problem? I mean we do shoot tunnel-vision anyway...
Playstyle: Scout, Passionate In-bred Sniper, Support, and Enemy finder
Weapon: Pro Shotty, Sniper, and Scrambler Rifle
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Sclompton Face-Smasher
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Posted - 2014.01.30 12:42:00 -
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Obodiah Garro wrote:They should just take sniper rifles out of the game and bring in some moderately powerful AV rifle instead which is nigh useless against infrantry.
I wouldn't say remove them since they do show they can help out ground troops with heavies and relay positions if they aren't trying to run from the ground or to pad their KDR but instead make that a variable in the sniper part of the skill branch..
Playstyle: Scout, Passionate In-bred Sniper, Support, and Enemy finder
Weapon: Pro Shotty, Sniper, and Scrambler Rifle
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Sclompton Face-Smasher
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Posted - 2014.01.30 12:45:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:There's a reason you rarely, if ever, see a sniper in PC.
It's because they are generally useless except in specific situations.
Redline sniping is just as bad (or worse) for the game as redline rail tanking -- you shouldn't be able to hide from everyone except one of your own kind. That's simply a broken FPS mechanic, from where I sit.
Respectfully...Leadfoot
In PC it's only proto so I would expect anything less considering PC is only for spray and pray/tank users or the basic rail rifle/scanner, scout/scanner combos which is simply a female's private part move...
Playstyle: Scout, Passionate In-bred Sniper, Support, and Enemy finder
Weapon: Pro Shotty, Sniper, and Scrambler Rifle
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