DUST Search - Redline Snipers and Tighter Maps?

8213 wrote:

Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:

I beg to differ... Snipers are not meaningless in this game

When I snipe, my team notices my impact.

Due to my Thale, we have one of our objectives permanently safe, that tower-camping swarmer/forger terrorizing our derpships/infantry is dead, and enemy AV infantry get shot to pieces allowing my team's HAV to run rampant in half of the map.

Sounds like you just hate crappy snipers... But bad snipers are no different then the useless AR nutters who die 17 times score 150 warpoints.

Dude... don't give me the Sniper wishful thinking rant.. I've heard it 1000x... You wish you could single handedly defend an objective. You wish you could pop an enemy's head off just as he's about to kill your teammate, being a hero... you wish you could earn enough kills to balance out the bottom half of your team... you wish all of that BUT YOU CAN'T... I've never seen it, witnessed it, or even heard about...

A sniper gets about 1 key shot every game, if they are lucky, that's it. All you do is kill Scouts and Starter Fits, and coutnersnipe the other useless snipers on the other team.

DUST 514 Fact: The team with the most snipers, LOSES everytime.


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Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 806	Posted - 2013.11.10 03:09:00 - [1] - Quote 8213 wrote: Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: I beg to differ... Snipers are not meaningless in this game When I snipe, my team notices my impact. Due to my Thale, we have one of our objectives permanently safe, that tower-camping swarmer/forger terrorizing our derpships/infantry is dead, and enemy AV infantry get shot to pieces allowing my team's HAV to run rampant in half of the map. Sounds like you just hate crappy snipers... But bad snipers are no different then the useless AR nutters who die 17 times score 150 warpoints. Dude... don't give me the Sniper wishful thinking rant.. I've heard it 1000x... You wish you could single handedly defend an objective. You wish you could pop an enemy's head off just as he's about to kill your teammate, being a hero... you wish you could earn enough kills to balance out the bottom half of your team... you wish all of that BUT YOU CAN'T... I've never seen it, witnessed it, or even heard about... A sniper gets about 1 key shot every game, if they are lucky, that's it. All you do is kill Scouts and Starter Fits, and coutnersnipe the other useless snipers on the other team. DUST 514 Fact: The team with the most snipers, LOSES everytime. I Charge Snipe the brains and balls of of PRO Heavies and Callogis bricktanking on a regular basis. I get around 20 kills with a sniper when I'm in the right position, and have prevented hacks numerous times. There are a lot of $#!t snipers, and I may not be the best (never will be), but I do think that a sniper can have it's uses in the right situation. There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry You'll still be useful in my eyes
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 808	Posted - 2013.11.10 03:27:00 - [2] - Quote Well you need to meet some people in that sniper chat a friend made. Some of those guys don't even need to crouch down to kill with the sniper rifle They are by far the best snipers I've ever seen and have even cause the other team to be cloned on a regular basis. They relay info about the enemy's whereabouts and tell you what is being called in, and at what time. Maybe you should squad up with some of them. Snipers are actually very useful in the right hands. Sniper's feel free to join the channel. Just send me some mail in-game (it's invite only) There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry You'll still be useful in my eyes
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 816	Posted - 2013.11.10 06:10:00 - [3] - Quote 8213 wrote: LUGMOS wrote: Honestly, snipers can be detrimental to a team, and they can also be fundamental. Your argument against snipers is like saying if Logis are doing there job healing, what good are they in cloning a team. There are many classes that are like snipers, poor scouts and also dropships. I don't hear Dropship pilots or Scouts talking about how they are the heroes of most matches in DUST 514. Do snipers need more to do in the match other than get good KDR games once and a while? Yes. But everything a Sniper can do, everyone else can do it better, and then some. A guy with a PRO Active scanner can see a full squad of people preparing to flank while still being 400m+ away from you? A scout can relay intellgence about what is being called in near the enemy redline? An assault can use his gun to kill that other Charge sniper on a roof? There are many things that snipers do better than other roles. There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry You'll still be useful in my eyes
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 816	Posted - 2013.11.10 06:13:00 - [4] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: I believe he was assuming that you guys were saying that when you guys said they could defend an objective single handed. Makes sense, but Dropship pilots and Scouts would do the same if I started attacking them. There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry You'll still be useful in my eyes
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 827	Posted - 2013.11.10 19:29:00 - [5] - Quote Lamar Wheeler wrote: The team with 5 or more snipers will always lose I see D3LTA is still hating on snipers huh? I've been in squads with nothing but snipers and we clone them on a regular basis. There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry You'll still be useful in my eyes
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 831	Posted - 2013.11.10 21:15:00 - [6] - Quote 8213 wrote: Foo Fighting wrote: If, as some say, snipers are meaningless and irrelevant, we should petition for a buff to snipers.... Truth be told, if they eliminated the redline ability, I am all for buffing Snipers. Maybe then, they'd be more of a threat and taken more seriously by the other team. Unless its a Thale's to the head, A sniper can't really OHK me if I'm running my typical fit. Snipers usually are on the receiving end of +25. They will have 2-3x as many assists as kills, and the kills they do get are just finishing off what their teammate had started... Nobody with any form of experience in this game fears snipers... Sure, I'll drop on Orbital on them, but that's just because its a big time saver than flanking for 2km to just Charge my SCR into the back of there head. 1.) Most people don't redline snipe, so I wouldn't care. 2.) Most of my kills are generated from 2HKs with a Kaalakioita, or an OHKO from my Charge sniper rifle. I don't rely on finishing what people started to generate kills. You aren't even a PRO sniper so I don't see why you think you can make a generalized statement about them. 3.) I'm glad they don't fear snipers. That way they won't be keeping their eyes peeled for me when I introduce a charge shot to their face. 4.) Drop an Orbital on me. I don't care. You just wasted 2500 WP and I could easily continue sniping as well as snipe the idiots watching the last spot. And the 70k it takes to restock my suit is nothing when I average 250-300k per match. There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry You'll still be useful in my eyes
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 840	Posted - 2013.11.11 00:27:00 - [7] - Quote 8213 wrote: blah, blah blah... nobody buys you fictionalization of recounts of what you wish would happen in games. Ever wonder why snipers make highlight reels instead of posting full games on YouTube for example? You say that you're squad clones other teams while sniping? Show me a game where a squad of 6 snipers got 25 kills each, or even a collective of 100... Just because you had a decent game once, doesn't mean it happens the majority of the time (or 1.10th of the time). So, tell me about a time where you WEREN'T playing starter fit noobs, or tell me about a time you were doing all this heroic stuff in P/C.... I'll wait for you right here. My squad can Orbys fer days, dropping one on you is more of a troll than anything. You having a fly buzzing around your head, you swat it; kill it for being annoying. we know we didn't accomplish anything by dropping it on you, we just wanted to laugh. Because our team is actually doing work and getting Orbys, while you think you're being some make believe Black-Ops Navy Commando and not earning your team any WP or decent amount of kills. 1,) I don't have the equipment to record my gameplay, and I don't feel like purchasing it for 1 game and 1 random guy on the internet. And even if I did I sure as heck wouldn't post a video of my gameplay. Then everyone would know the good sniper spots, and I mean the really good sniping spots. The spots that are so good that when you go there and an enemy sniper walks in you decide not to attack eachother. The spots are that good. 2.) It does happen happen every time, but It does happen a lot. 3.) I decided to become a sniper loooong after I decided not to no longer put up with the bull$#!t lag of PC, so I don't have any heroic stories to tell you about in PC. But if you want some FW war stories I will share. 4.) ROFL, you'd actually have to find me before you could drop an OB on them. And with me being skilled into the ammo skill I rarely need to drop a hive. Even with the Kaalokiotia. And what most snipers usually do when they are low on ammo is travel elsewhere, drop a hive and resupply, and sprint back to your original spot. Heck you can even kill the people dumb enough to think that you are by the nanohive. 5.) With around 20 kills and a few kill assists, I make around 1k WP on an average match when sniping, so I think that I make a fair contribution to my team through WP. I used to be just like you. I was passive aggressive to many roles (Scouts being a big one, also why I started using MDs). But you know what happened? I decided to skill into the role and realized that they are contributions to the team as opposed as to OP thin sheets of paper. There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry You'll still be useful in my eyes
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 841	Posted - 2013.11.11 00:58:00 - [8] - Quote 8213 wrote: lrian Locust wrote: 8213 wrote: Highest Sniper game I have ever seen was 56 kills with a Thale's. That guy got an Orbital dropped on him TWICE (he somehow survived the first one)... But you know what? His team still lost. Perhaps the rest of the team was to blame? If someone singlehandedly kills over 1/3rd of the enemies clones, deprives them of 2 orbitals and probably netted a lot of assisted kills, I'd say he's been quite the asset to the team. 8213 wrote: I can earn more WP with a Swarm Launcher than the best sniper ever could. Keep on dreaming. How many HAV's do you think you can kill in one game? A Swarm kills more than just HAVs Jr... And the Thale's guy, I squadded with him the rest of the day. He was no doubt a good player. But maybe if he was being more of a team player, he would have lent his WP to more orbitals? The thing was, he kept killing the same 4-5 guys in a row/ or hunt Logi Revivers. You can get all the kills you want in DUST, but if they aren't key players, or kills that result in clone loss... they don't mean anything. No swarm launchers can only kill vehicles and installations. I challenge that theory. Squad up with the best sniper in the game, while you run nothing but Swarm Launchers. We'll see who gets more WP. I'll bet you 30m ISK that it won't be you. There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry You'll still be useful in my eyes
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 843	Posted - 2013.11.11 01:09:00 - [9] - Quote 8213 wrote: lrian Locust wrote: 8213 wrote: lrian Locust wrote: [quote=8213]How many HAV's do you think you can kill in one game? A Swarm kills more than just HAVs Jr... I know, but how many people will still bring out their vehicles when they start dropping like flies? If you say you can get more SP with you swarm launcher than the best sniper out there, I call bullshit. Because you won't find a match with that many vehicles and dropships about. Its called letting the enemies hack the turrets and supply depots, and taking them out along with HAVs and LAVs... If you're that ignorant about a swarm launcher than I'm assuming you're that narrow minded into thinking Snipers matter in this game... I know more about swarm launchers than 90% of the people on this forum ever will; you gonna call me ignorant in the ways of swarm launchers? And running around with a Wirykomi has granted me a total of around 1,500 WP on a good day. And considering the fact that not every match has 3 tanks and 5 installations belonging to the enemy, I also call "bull$#!t" There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry You'll still be useful in my eyes
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 852	Posted - 2013.11.11 07:23:00 - [10] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: Played a game with the OP yesterday. There were a few tanks, and many infantry, and my Commando SL/AR fit was trolololing. His favorite fit was a CRW scram and Amarr assault. He wasn't too shabby with it. Might make good sniper material someday lol. I played a game against the OP a few minutes ago. Dat lag was so horrible that my bullets wouldn't even render. There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry You'll still be useful in my eyes

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1901	Posted - 2013.12.12 19:01:00 - [11] - Quote ShinyJay wrote: i like sniping in this game, but i think I'd be better if everything was going against me. map design, shield/armor tank, my sniper needing damage mods just to be effective. I even try to make due with it all, but i just can't. snipers need something for them to be effective on the field and for the team. until then, i run out in the field with my shotgun scout. Please tell me your being sarcastic, or at least a troll. DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2291	Posted - 2013.12.19 21:57:00 - [12] - Quote HOLY CRAP A CORP MATE USES THE FORUMS! Holy Fudgenipples!!! MY HMG WORKS!!! IT ACTUALLY WORKS!!! \o/
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2291	Posted - 2013.12.19 22:08:00 - [13] - Quote Sclompton Face-Smasher wrote: Atiim wrote: HOLY CRAP A CORP MATE USES THE FORUMS! Corp buddy!! I thought I'd never see the day. I finally have a real forum friend. Also, were you the one sniping in those FW matches? Or was that Ruunt? Holy Fudgenipples!!! MY HMG WORKS!!! IT ACTUALLY WORKS!!! \o/
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2293	Posted - 2013.12.19 22:23:00 - [14] - Quote Sclompton Face-Smasher wrote: Atiim wrote: Sclompton Face-Smasher wrote: Atiim wrote: HOLY CRAP A CORP MATE USES THE FORUMS! Corp buddy!! I thought I'd never see the day. I finally have a real forum friend. Also, were you the one sniping in those FW matches? Or was that Ruunt? We played a few amarr FW yesterday be we mostly play ambush and skirmish Oh. Well i don't play Amarr FW, but I hope it was fun. Have you seen Dark or Athena on lately? I want to ask them something. Holy Fudgenipples!!! MY HMG WORKS!!! IT ACTUALLY WORKS!!! \o/
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2293	Posted - 2013.12.19 22:56:00 - [15] - Quote Sclompton Face-Smasher wrote: Haven't seen athena and I think I saw Dark pop on then just leave. I'll check when I get on a little later Alright, thanks. Also, I don't think these people saying Snipers suck know what they are really talking about. If You, Me, And Ruunt were to pull out Thale's, we'd make half the other team rage quit. It's best to ignore the haters here on the forums. Especially the "vocal" haters. Holy Fudgenipples!!! MY HMG WORKS!!! IT ACTUALLY WORKS!!! \o/
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2304	Posted - 2013.12.20 04:17:00 - [16] - Quote 8213 wrote: I honestly thought that was an alt of your Atiim, lol. Nah. I haven't been banned yet... Though I really wonder how when I say/do things that would get almost anyone banned with the drop of a hat. Sclompton's just a friend of mine. Real good sniper too. Holy Fudgenipples!!! MY HMG WORKS!!! IT ACTUALLY WORKS!!! \o/