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I'm surprised at some of the changes but withhold my scathing rage as I have 'heard' but don't know for certain yet that damage of certain weapons would be nerfed across the board....

Decreasing weapon damage won't really help against the Proto-Gal Logi running 5 Complex Armor modules with full fitting bonuses and armor skill bonuses. He had 960+ armor. It was pretty insane.

Made me want to go for my RE fit.

But the changes potentially mean that skilling up in all of the Logi suits may become much more common.

Decreasing weapon damage won't really help against the Proto-Gal Logi running 5 Complex Armor modules with full fitting bonuses and armor skill bonuses. He had 960+ armor. It was pretty insane.

Made me want to go for my RE fit.

But the changes potentially mean that skilling up in all of the Logi suits may become much more common.

I would hope not, that will be too many skillpoints just going to suits in my opinion, and it sounds like it will be getting even more expensive. One CCP's more recent notes about skills was making them inexpensive to begin and increasing the cost as it continues. While it already does that they were referring to something different it sounded like, perhaps an exponential increase? We do know that they have been looking for some more ways to nerf vets with skill sinks and this was one of the possibilities.

And Lee, what is this about loosing a plate?

I think he's talking about dropping a plate in favor of a repair module.

As for the rest, that's what so maddening about this whole thing. Devs keep dropping into topics and leaving one little nugget of information but little else! We really just don't know what's going to happen in the big picture.

I'm beginning to think that they really are doing it on purpose to mess with us...

Ah, Thank you for the insight. My mind hadn't quite made it there. And you are completely right

- Nothing is confirmed until it is out -

I guess I'm feeling pretty pessimistic, and the attitude on the forums is generally one of ennui, and even the devs are stressed... I just see it going in this big circle of negative reinforcement. I should do my part to change that. Thanks for keeping a neutral perspective John. I should emulate the same behavior.

Yes, I was talking about having to lose a plate for a repair module. Sorry for the vagueness.

So with current 1.8 all of the logi will loose one low slot for equipment to replace the Complex Repair Module equivalent that suits have when you're trained to proto level. (Unless you want to run without a repair module.)

We get our equipment nerfed and have to spec into the suit to get the equipment back to current baseline, and then you get a side benefit. It still feels like I'll need to spec into at least Amarr/gal/min suits to stay where I am right now on the equipment front.

Yeah, that's not going to be cheap. And if you want to be repping you'll be most efficient as minmatar.

I can see it now:

"Heavy squad rf1 logi, must be running Minmatar Proto suits"

*facepalm*

I don't know about you guys but I can't see myself using the Gallente logistics in 1.8...I'll be keeping my Minmatar for sure and I'll be picking up either the Amarr or the Caldari logistics as a second suit, but the Gallente...

The ability to 'scan the unscanable' will make Gallente Logi an interesting player on the field. But we will have to see how scanners will change with the new 'Snapshot' functionality which will supposedly 'stop' the 360 degree ballerina-logibro.

The gallente suit is solid.
5 low slots at the cost of movement at proto level (though IMO it doesn't really hit primetime until then) and scanner bonuses.

Amarr suit drop uplink is potentially huge with the spawn speed slowdown
Substantial deployment time drop (50%) and additional spawns (up to 10 more per uplink)

Minmatar is crazy good for repping
25% bonus to repping amount is quite powerful and gives the same repair distances as current tools.

Caldari is ... okay I suppose.
I don't use as many hives as some due to running around with a rep tool ... and Injectors don't change.

I may spec into Scout suits for the hacking bonus and 2 equipment slots. Sortof a 'Logi-Lite' to do stealth drop uplinks and objective hacking with maybe a rep tool or injector on the side.

I think people are missing out on some of the potential of the Caldari logi. With the nerf to rep tools and the squishy Minnie suit being the only one who gets it back to its former glory, triage hives will start looking very attractive.

This is part of why I feel EQ spam will get worse. Both to create auras of health but also because like Thrydwulf, I don't run with hives very often and lately I feel that has been the wrong approach. I was that twirling ballerina but honestly I've started to run without a scanner. I created an alt and really built up better situational awareness and gun game (tho I still suck ), I'm prepping for the 1.8 snapshot forcing more eyes on approach and with the heavy event, I can't give enough ammo away.

That being said, I'm also seeing some high end guns that soak up my ammo faster than I can dish it out. Forgers and MDs are eating it up. 3 reloads and I'm out (ADV) maybe one more for proto if they themselves are not running proto. With the ammo distribution getting lower, I see hundreds of people bring these to the battle given logis can no longer do it alone.

And lastly, abuse. If one race gets the benefit and a fix isn't made to EQ spam, what's to stop me, a Min Logi at the core from speccing into a Cal logi stacked with 3 different hives, a Amarr Logi with 3 different uplinks and using them just to lay down piles before going back to my preferred race. Since we obviously each have our own preferred playstyle, (and some leaving logi because it no longer fits with the proposed changes) it seems completely logical to stockpile on the one suit to get our use out and never have to worry about again.

With nanite injectors and triage hives working on armour only, I still feel that equipment is a bit of a mismatch for the Caldari race... Any whispers on hybrid (shield/armour) versions on either anytime soon?

AFAIK, they won't be changing the medium frames much in 1.8. Admittedly that thread regards the Amarr assault specifically, but I do believe it applies to all of them. I'm not as certain about base stats but I'm pretty sure slot counts are not being touched.

That said, SP restraint is always good advice.