woohoo!!! us heavies can finally live again!

do we have an idea of when these fixes will come?

During today's extended downtime in 30 minutes.

It's really unbelieveable that this was allowed to happen.

We've spend a year in beta with subpar graphics that got excused by the "we want to focus on getting the core shooter game good". Then you upgrade the graphics and throw the entire core gun gameplay out with the bathwater.

Removing a skill because 'everyone will skill to 5 anyway' is a poor excuse; but if you want me to indulge you about truly useless skills: why can I skill up "dropsuit command" to 5, when there are no skills up the tree that need requirements beyond level 3? The skill itself gives no bonus to anything whatsoever. Why don't you nerf *that* instead?

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Good call ccp but just one question are you going to put the ranges in the list of stats on each gun coz it would be nice to know what my opt and fall off ranges are when i look to see which gun i want to use on the map.

I was wondering about this myself. If I remember correctly in Chromosome you needed Dropsuit Command Lvl 5 in order to unlock Heavy dropsuits. Dropsuit Command also gave a bonus to your scan profile.

Now Heavy at level 3 with nothing beyond. I skilled straight to lvl 5 Dropsuit Command as I knew I would be running heavy. Then I looked and seen I only needed lvl 3 DOH! Admittedly that is my fault entirely but, something needs to be given for the extra two levels of dropsuit command.

this, this is needed, we have it in eve, lets us set up our prefered engagment range, guestimating in dust though is NOT fun

I was wondering about this myself. If I remember correctly in Chromosome you needed Dropsuit Command Lvl 5 in order to unlock Heavy dropsuits. Dropsuit Command also gave a bonus to your scan profile.

Now Heavy at level 3 with nothing beyond. I skilled straight to lvl 5 Dropsuit Command as I knew I would be running heavy. Then I looked and seen I only needed lvl 3 DOH! Admittedly that is my fault entirely but, something needs to be given for the extra two levels of dropsuit command.

Yes HMG fix good....

BUt what about 10% genade dmg? or Tactical ARS

someone tell me different

Here you go guys:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40886&find=unread

Excuse the unfinished update after uprising, not enough sp to test everything, more ppl needed for giving a helping hand!

GÇó In the next hot-fix weapons will all get a 10% damage increase to compensate for the removal of the Weaponry skill bonus.

lol, more grenade spams and the tactical is a seasonal weapon, not worried. think some tankers are going to be mad about the FG buff though

Here you go guys:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40886&find=unread

Excuse the unfinished update after uprising, not enough sp to test everything, more ppl needed for giving a helping hand!

think of it as a 10% decrease to your sexy new hp buff

GÇó In the near future, we will address range issues by removing the hard stop that currently takes place at maximum weapon range.

what is being done about the nanite injectior/pick up stick problem it still wont let ya raise people when standing on them ?

Dude go and read the maintenance hot fix notes in the announcements section.

WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please please dont say its a blanket +10% !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tactical AR's dont need it.
Forge guns dont need it
Grenades dont need it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PLEASE be careful with this! HMG i can understand but 10% might mess with everything else

WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please please dont say its a blanket +10% !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tactical AR's dont need it.
Forge guns dont need it
Grenades dont need it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PLEASE be careful with this! HMG i can understand but 10% might mess with everything else

-- snip wailing against making the game more playable --

WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please please dont say its a blanket +10% !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tactical AR's dont need it.
Forge guns dont need it
Grenades dont need it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PLEASE be careful with this! HMG i can understand but 10% might mess with everything else

Why dont you give back weaponary skill bonus?

WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please please dont say its a blanket +10% !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tactical AR's dont need it.
Forge guns dont need it
Grenades dont need it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PLEASE be careful with this! HMG i can understand but 10% might mess with everything else

Well, I am afraid that you are wrong regarding this.

I have a list of people* that think the game, as it stands, is not worth playing. ARs don't hit and targeting in general is broken. It takes nearly a clip to take anything down. Heavies can require a team. We have no ammo. The militia Hive will not refill an AR plus grenades. Which means players are running away from fights to get more ammo.

You need to read his post a little closer. The reason for the 10% boost is the time to make a kill has increased not because players are complaining. Which means their ammo Nerf is more dramatic than even They thought it would be.


* one to the point of selling his PS3, not coming back now regardless of hot fixes or patches.

Think of it like in Chromosome, it will feel the same.
Everyone and their mother had weaponry maxed out, so that means everyone and their mother had +10%.
Also, HMG's problems isn't really the damage and CCP said so themselves.
They will be having more tweaks in the future.

Why not just make Weaponry 2% per level again? It would make a lot more sense. Now you're just giving away the 10% without actually having to skill into anything.

Too many heavy buffs... one step at a time please, CCP. Heavies only needed a tiny nudge, that's it. Let those fat turkeys learn how to play their role properly (support) before buffing them due to mass QQ in forums.

And +10% damage to all players? Why? It was nice not insta-dying in 1/16th a second. Now it's going back to being insta-killed if exposed for a split second.

Dust needs to be more of an arcade shooter, and letting everybody kill eachother 10% faster is not the right choice.

Well, I am afraid that you are wrong regarding this.

I have a list of people* that think the game, as it stands, is not worth playing. ARs don't hit and targeting in general is broken. It takes nearly a clip to take anything down. Heavies can require a team. We have no ammo. The militia Hive will not refill an AR plus grenades. Which means players are running away from fights to get more ammo.

You need to read his post a little closer. The reason for the 10% boost is the time to make a kill has increased not because players are complaining. Which means their ammo Nerf is more dramatic than even They thought it would be.


* one to the point of selling his PS3, not coming back now regardless of hot fixes or patches.

holy hell....well done man, well done


request linked thread be stickied if numbers are correct

In Chromosome, the Weaponry skill gave an across the board 2% damage bonus to handheld weapons per level. Given the low SP cost of the skill (and the fact that itGÇÖs a pre-req for every weapon in the game) the majority of players would just skill straight to level 5 making the skill pretty pointless. So, in Uprising we removed the skill bonus. The side effect of this, of course, is that time-to-kill has increased.

The devs did state a reason why weapon ranges weren't in info, something to do with different optimals for different ppl and whatever else, can't remember exactly. Hopefully when we get the new weapon ranges system the ranges will also be included in the info window.

? how would you like them to support ?

Sitting back at a taken objective (mmm sounds fun)
Or helping the front line shooting marshmellows at the enemy?

the 10% bit is right on.

Let's see, how about supporting your fellow logi, assault, and even scout shotgun players? You fatboys arent meant to be one-man slayers that can take on anybody and everybody. You are supposed to backup all other classes by laying down blankets of cover fire with your massive amount of of health to distract and injure the enemy player, while the rest of us do our jobs (or actually go AV as you were designed for, but obviously nobody in Dust expects heavies to go AV .. that's like hell, and some place freezing over ).

Fatties need to play their roles correctly and stop QQing on the forums to get buffs they don't need or deserve.

GÇó In the near future, we will address range issues by removing the hard stop that currently takes place at maximum weapon range.

I agree lol, however we cant put down cover fire or demand attention as the HMG doesnt have the range or dmg. The enemy shoots the assault next to you because theyre more dangerous.
Heavies are easily flanked, charge one, one on one, and you deserve to die. get in under the gun or out range him.

(well... see how this hot fix works....)

... I run proto Assault FG's... i get get more kills with them then the hmg lol

I don't enjoy being forge sniped any more than the next player, but at least you are prepared to take on some kind of vehicle (that is if the vehicle is more intriguing than the infantry player )

Let's see, how about supporting your fellow logi, assault, and even scout shotgun players? You fatboys arent meant to be one-man slayers that can take on anybody and everybody. You are supposed to backup all other classes by laying down blankets of cover fire with your massive amount of of health to distract and injure the enemy player, while the rest of us do our jobs (or actually go AV as you were designed for, but obviously nobody in Dust expects heavies to go AV .. that's like hell, and some place freezing over ).

Fatties need to play their roles correctly and stop QQing on the forums to get buffs they don't need or deserve.

WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please please dont say its a blanket +10% !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tactical AR's dont need it.
Forge guns dont need it
Grenades dont need it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PLEASE be careful with this! HMG i can understand but 10% might mess with everything else

Give me a break. If they are essentially giving everyone their weaponry bonus back then EVERY weapon should get it. I am really tiring of all these heavies crying.

I personally don't care for or against the HMG nerf or buff...whatever...doesn't bother me. Headshots do wonders. The thing that bugs me is that CCP stated that Heavies were meant to defend an objective, not be the frontline soldiers everyone tried to use them as. CCP didn't mean for militia fit heavies with all bpo gear and a militia HMG to be going 41-3. I could understand a heavy gunning down two assaults depending on who fires first. But if two assaults get the jump on a heavy he should be toast if the Assaults are any good.

Heavies using HMG's should not be running around taking out four man squads and only getting their shields taken out. Heavies and HMG's and scout shotgunners are the current "I win" button. I was in a match the other night where most of the team were minmatar shotgunners....I think that was the race, who ever had the speed bonus, use that scout suit with the speed bonus, a few damage mods and sprint boosters and a shotgun? decimate all.

1.because shotguns can take out 200+ shields and 300+armor with one shot.
2.they jump around like theyre playin freakin halo...who needs gravity?!
3.the speed they currently have (if skilled right I assume) is ridiculous.

They were moving so quick that I couldn't turn my gun fast enough to even lead the shot!! and that was while trying to hip fire. that's insane. But rarely do I complain about anything so there is my small rant.

The mass driver needs some serious TLC. Some arbitrary 10% buff isn't going to adequately address its extensive list of new shortcomings, including its damage (it needs far more than a 10% buff), its splash area, and its aiming. In its current state, the mass driver is a hot mess that no longer commands any respect on the battlefield, which means all of its tactical value is gone. This is especially true for logi bros who used it to enhance their support role. A mass driver used to scare people away long enough to make revives, throw down nanos, and make repairs. This is no longer the case.

Wait thanks for this CCP but what about our nanohives.. I know its done to specialize into them, but its quite frustrating when those advance and prototype variants which has the best range of different kinds requires like 60 to 90 CPU and to 16 PG...
Please do something about it and offer at least some variants on advanced tier that can carry 3 and 2 active nanohives.. the main issue with this is the CPU and PG requirements the skilling into them isn't. I don't mind other items that much as nanohives.

WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please please dont say its a blanket +10% !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tactical AR's dont need it.
Forge guns dont need it
Grenades dont need it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PLEASE be careful with this! HMG i can understand but 10% might mess with everything else

The mass driver needs some serious TLC. Some arbitrary 10% buff isn't going to adequately address its extensive list of new shortcomings, including its damage (it needs far more than a 10% buff), its splash area, and its aiming. In its current state, the mass driver is a hot mess that no longer commands any respect on the battlefield, which means all of its tactical value is gone. This is especially true for logi bros who used it to enhance their support role. A mass driver used to scare people away long enough to make revives, throw down nanos, and make repairs. This is no longer the case.

Tac rifle will be insanely OP now...

Wait thanks for this CCP but what about our nanohives.. I know its done to specialize into them, but its quite frustrating when those advance and prototype variants which has the best range of different kinds requires like 60 to 90 CPU and to 16 PG...
Please do something about it and offer at least some variants on advanced tier that can carry 3 and 2 active nanohives.. the main issue with this is the CPU and PG requirements the skilling into them isn't. I don't mind other items that much as nanohives.

Why not just make Weaponry 2% per level again? It would make a lot more sense. Now you're just giving away the 10% without actually having to skill into anything.

WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please please dont say its a blanket +10% !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tactical AR's dont need it.
Forge guns dont need it
Grenades dont need it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PLEASE be careful with this! HMG i can understand but 10% might mess with everything else

I like how everyone ignored the 5% dispersion decrease for the HMG. I fairly certain this will have as large an impact as the damage. It effectively increases the range of the HMG (which is a good thing in my opinion) from the current ~20 m (see this forum link https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=73100&find=unread ) to the *hopefully* actual ranges that CCP Remnant quoted.

I used to round a corner in my shotgun scout and run like hell when I saw a heavy facing me, now I go in strafing thinking about my free points. Maybe now I'll have to actually work for my kills.

Wait thanks for this CCP but what about our nanohives.. I know its done to specialize into them, but its quite frustrating when those advance and prototype variants which has the best range of different kinds requires like 60 to 90 CPU and to 16 PG...
Please do something about it and offer at least some variants on advanced tier that can carry 3 and 2 active nanohives.. the main issue with this is the CPU and PG requirements the skilling into them isn't. I don't mind other items that much as nanohives.

The TAC rifle will be exactly as OP as it was beforehand.

If every weapon gets a 10% damage buff, the relative balance doesn't change at all. Only HMG is getting more damage over the baseline increase.

The change just makes the combat faster and more lethal overall, less reloading in the middle of a one-on-one firefight.

Posting the following info on upcoming changes to weapon damage and HMG balance on behalf of CCP Rement since he's knee deep in making these changes. He will also be answer questions and discussing this topic in this thread as well.

Tl;dr version:
GÇó HMG damage buffed to 18 HP (including aforementioned 10% increase) and given a 5% dispersion buff.

An oversimplified example:
Assume all guns need two bullets to kill a dropsuit.
Damage buff given to all guns.
Some guns reach a point where a single bullet kills a dropsuit - Those guns gain a HUGE edge over others, way beyond the numerical %-dps-increase.


As you might guess from this post, I too am conserned about TAC ARs being strong and even more stronger.
BUT I say again:
Let's TEST these figures and THEN tune individual weapons!!!

The mass driver needs some serious TLC. Some arbitrary 10% buff isn't going to adequately address its extensive list of new shortcomings, including its damage (it needs far more than a 10% buff), its splash area, and its aiming. In its current state, the mass driver is a hot mess that no longer commands any respect on the battlefield, which means all of its tactical value is gone. This is especially true for logi bros who used it to enhance their support role. A mass driver used to scare people away long enough to make revives, throw down nanos, and make repairs. This is no longer the case.

Wow 18 HP per bullet is a bit too much for the STD HMG lol.

Wow 18 HP per bullet is a bit too much for the STD HMG lol.

Wow 18 HP per bullet is a bit too much for the STD HMG lol.

Very pleased. Keep up the good work CCP.

Now for the Range and I'll be active again like never before.

Yeah, I'm pumped to test the assault variants with DM's, oops..

and I'm still getting chewed to pieces from 200ft away (or more) by Duvolles, GEKs, and GLUs in a matter of about 2 seconds...

Thanks for nothing, my almost 1k hp heavy is still useless.

I just hope that relative to all the skill bonuses y'all removed(which I needed), y'all keep in mind that this game uses advanced technology, which should make it more than actually possible for certain short range weapons to be effective beyond their 'what is to be expected' range...
& I'm almost certain, that it may have Real World weapons of the same class, capable of being effective, at a greater range than that of certain weapons in this game...
...For your(the developers)consideration...

Yeah, the MD has gotten hit pretty hard:

MD Specific:
1) Splash Radius
2) Misleading Smoke Trail
3) Damage nerf
4) Range Nerf

General, but hits MD hard:
1) Nanohive Nerf (my smg kills have gone way up.)

This has changed the weapon entirely. People can hide behind obstacles and be safe, People can run from cover to cover at a distance and be safe. People can charge at me and absorb my damage while taking me down (easier than before).

I've adjusted my playstyle to this. And am now finding myself charging into groups of enemies and using the MD like a blind man's shotgun. It works, but i'm not sure that's the weapon's intended role.

If the 10% damage buff is across the board, then bringing back the splash radius and increasing the range will bring this weapon back up to snuff.

To be perfectly honest, I'm a little baffled at what's happened with the Mass Driver. The reason for the splash and blast range nerf was that in playtests we found the MD to be so effective that at one point almost half the people in the office were using it in battles.

One, there appears to be a de-sync between client and server so that (more often than it should) the server and client think the projectile exploded in different places. They're not far off, but enough so that shots you *think* are spot on are off the mark enough to do only minor splash damage.

What is to be done about the Tactical AR, and AR's in general? with the new 10% passive increase in damage, they are absolutely broken. Assault rifles were good enough before the blanket buff. the 10% should be taken off the AR's, but kept for every other weapon. Furthermore, the tactical AR needs to be dropped further, as it was already quite powerful before the 10%.

As it stands, now everyone is dying way too fast. even heavies are being dropped quite fast by AR's. FYI, AR is my primary weapon, so trust me, this isn't a bias "waah I got killed by such-and-such". This is me telling you, after having played with the CreoDron Breach AR back when it was king, the Tac is the new CreoDron. A clearly superior weapon that outshines all others.

Like he said, everyone just skilled weaponry to 5 before, so ARs are currently just as strong as they were before in Chromosome. They could use a very small nerf, but not too small... the tactical on the other hand

To be perfectly honest, I'm a little baffled at what's happened with the Mass Driver. The reason for the splash and blast range nerf was that in playtests we found the MD to be so effective that at one point almost half the people in the office were using it in battles. Clearly, that's not been the case with Uprising and after getting the engineers to go elbow deep into the code it appears there may be a few reasons beyond dry numbers that are contributing to the MDs underwhelming performance.

One, there appears to be a de-sync between client and server so that (more often than it should) the server and client think the projectile exploded in different places. They're not far off, but enough so that shots you *think* are spot on are off the mark enough to do only minor splash damage. And two, I'm told splash occlusion is getting blocked by a single player character more than it should, contributing to the "randomness" of the damage dealt and the sometimes smudgy feeling of the weapon.

I'm hesitant to rebalance the weapon until we get these issues looked at (which is happening right now).

We're aware of the range issues. We still feel very strongly about the optimal ranges for weapons being more or less where they are right now but the hard stop that occurs at max range is not cool. As I mentioned in the post, we're fixing that across the board by ensuring incidental damage is done even at extreme range, and it's why we don't want to go in and adjust individual ranges right now. This fix shouldn't be too long in coming (requires code and is not a simple server-side update, so I can't give an exact date, unfortunately).

Duck and cover, fellow fattie.

what good is incidental damage at past 50 feet ? we are a joke at 50 feet now.

To be perfectly honest, I'm a little baffled at what's happened with the Mass Driver. The reason for the splash and blast range nerf was that in playtests we found the MD to be so effective that at one point almost half the people in the office were using it in battles.

Wait!? Because half the office is using it, it needs a nerf? What kind of logic is that? The Mass Driver appeals more to a play style than being the "over powered" flavour of the week. It is a unique kind of weapon, that should be brutally useful to people who play that style. It takes skill to hit people with them. By the reasoning of "popular adoption" the Duvelle and Gek should be removed from the game entirely because it's so useful more than half of people are using it.

To be perfectly honest, I'm a little baffled at what's happened with the Mass Driver. The reason for the splash and blast range nerf was that in playtests we found the MD to be so effective that at one point almost half the people in the office were using it in battles. Clearly, that's not been the case with Uprising and after getting the engineers to go elbow deep into the code it appears there may be a few reasons beyond dry numbers that are contributing to the MDs underwhelming performance.

One, there appears to be a de-sync between client and server so that (more often than it should) the server and client think the projectile exploded in different places. They're not far off, but enough so that shots you *think* are spot on are off the mark enough to do only minor splash damage. And two, I'm told splash occlusion is getting blocked by a single player character more than it should, contributing to the "randomness" of the damage dealt and the sometimes smudgy feeling of the weapon.

I'm hesitant to rebalance the weapon until we get these issues looked at (which is happening right now).

To be perfectly honest, I'm a little baffled at what's happened with the Mass Driver. The reason for the splash and blast range nerf was that in playtests we found the MD to be so effective that at one point almost half the people in the office were using it in battles. Clearly, that's not been the case with Uprising and after getting the engineers to go elbow deep into the code it appears there may be a few reasons beyond dry numbers that are contributing to the MDs underwhelming performance.

One, there appears to be a de-sync between client and server so that (more often than it should) the server and client think the projectile exploded in different places. They're not far off, but enough so that shots you *think* are spot on are off the mark enough to do only minor splash damage. And two, I'm told splash occlusion is getting blocked by a single player character more than it should, contributing to the "randomness" of the damage dealt and the sometimes smudgy feeling of the weapon.

I'm hesitant to rebalance the weapon until we get these issues looked at (which is happening right now).

We're aware of the range issues. We still feel very strongly about the optimal ranges for weapons being more or less where they are right now but the hard stop that occurs at max range is not cool. As I mentioned in the post, we're fixing that across the board by ensuring incidental damage is done even at extreme range, and it's why we don't want to go in and adjust individual ranges right now. This fix shouldn't be too long in coming (requires code and is not a simple server-side update, so I can't give an exact date, unfortunately).

To be perfectly honest, I'm a little baffled at what's happened with the Mass Driver. The reason for the splash and blast range nerf was that in playtests we found the MD to be so effective that at one point almost half the people in the office were using it in battles. Clearly, that's not been the case with Uprising and after getting the engineers to go elbow deep into the code it appears there may be a few reasons beyond dry numbers that are contributing to the MDs underwhelming performance.

One, there appears to be a de-sync between client and server so that (more often than it should) the server and client think the projectile exploded in different places. They're not far off, but enough so that shots you *think* are spot on are off the mark enough to do only minor splash damage. And two, I'm told splash occlusion is getting blocked by a single player character more than it should, contributing to the "randomness" of the damage dealt and the sometimes smudgy feeling of the weapon.

I'm hesitant to rebalance the weapon until we get these issues looked at (which is happening right now).

To be perfectly honest, I'm a little baffled at what's happened with the Mass Driver. The reason for the splash and blast range nerf was that in playtests we found the MD to be so effective that at one point almost half the people in the office were using it in battles. Clearly, that's not been the case with Uprising and after getting the engineers to go elbow deep into the code it appears there may be a few reasons beyond dry numbers that are contributing to the MDs underwhelming performance.

One, there appears to be a de-sync between client and server so that (more often than it should) the server and client think the projectile exploded in different places. They're not far off, but enough so that shots you *think* are spot on are off the mark enough to do only minor splash damage. And two, I'm told splash occlusion is getting blocked by a single player character more than it should, contributing to the "randomness" of the damage dealt and the sometimes smudgy feeling of the weapon.

I'm hesitant to rebalance the weapon until we get these issues looked at (which is happening right now).

good catch i missed this one. when they nerfed the hmg they said it was due to the data they had collected. was this data from our matches or crap they were doing in their offices? if they are balancing things based on data from how they play in the ccp offices, what the hell was the point of the beta we were in for the last 8 months?

What about shotguns the range is too low and lot of weapons have damage bonus in skill tree not shotguns this weapon is too nerf

To be perfectly honest, I'm a little baffled at what's happened with the Mass Driver. The reason for the splash and blast range nerf was that in playtests we found the MD to be so effective that at one point almost half the people in the office were using it in battles. Clearly, that's not been the case with Uprising and after getting the engineers to go elbow deep into the code it appears there may be a few reasons beyond dry numbers that are contributing to the MDs underwhelming performance.

One, there appears to be a de-sync between client and server so that (more often than it should) the server and client think the projectile exploded in different places. They're not far off, but enough so that shots you *think* are spot on are off the mark enough to do only minor splash damage. And two, I'm told splash occlusion is getting blocked by a single player character more than it should, contributing to the "randomness" of the damage dealt and the sometimes smudgy feeling of the weapon.

I'm hesitant to rebalance the weapon until we get these issues looked at (which is happening right now).

the hard stop that occurs at max range is not cool. As I mentioned in the post, we're fixing that across the board by ensuring incidental damage is done even at extreme range.

I've been searching the forums since the 6th hoping for a straight up and clear comment from a dev such as this. I don't know how many of you guys are dedicated shotgunners, but the one step back and I'm useless and can't put down that clown who is knocking on death's door standing right in front of me thing got old immediately.... suddenly there is hope.

MD are for newbs who cant aim anyway

MD are for newbs who cant aim anyway

These changes sound nice but you still increased the damage of all weapons and heavys still can kill a militia scout enclose . U guys said that this is a futuristic shooter. Hah. Makes no sense in this present time or any other were a heavy machine gun couldn't tear appart what was in front of it. You guys should have classes respect other classes by knowing what range to engage another as of now u guys dog heavy's. Any class sees a heavy and charges in on them now . Were always the last class to get anything unique but the first class for something to be taken from. Like I said before either. Make the class respectively the way it should be or do away with it there thousands of people who love and pour hours of time into this game as a heavy and after the reset I feel ripped off .

Unfortunately I get the sense from CCP's various statements that they feel the effective range of most of the weapons is pretty good (there may be some tweaking for some weapons).

Removing the hard range just means that your weapon will now "tickle" people where rounds normally disappear. But from what I understand they will not be any more effective. It's just to stop our heads from exploding from disappearing bullet shenanigans.

Also, CCP thinks an HMG is a shotgun: A short range, area denial weapon. Which is why we have a minigun that is only effective over 30-50m (derp?).

Maybe they'll make your shotgun a long range heavy caliber fully auto suppression weapon?

Heavies need to match the range of ARs period

A weapon with a zillion rounds and damage to scale incrementing over time at a point in time should have the same range than something with less bullets that has a fixed default damage that will obviously not escalate should.


lmao

We're slower and have no equipment slots. When we got shot at, we are taking nearly 100% of the incoming damage due to our inability to strafe and massive hitbox.

Our guns should not be balanced against an AR. It should be better than an AR.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EitZRLt2G3w
Someone posted this awhile ago in HMG is OP thread.
It is also as (if not more) appropriate to MD issue.
Everyone should watch if you haven't already.

good video..

We're slower and have no equipment slots. When we got shot at, we are taking nearly 100% of the incoming damage due to our inability to strafe and massive hitbox.

Our guns should not be balanced against an AR. It should be better than an AR.

Ok, I run heavies and I agree with that for the most part, but I don't want to see HMGs shooting 60/70+ meters or more which is the range of most of the ARs that have killed me on the field since uprising was released even though, the AR user would still have an advantage over the heavy even at that distance just going by roles and guns...
Exile AR = 34.0 base dmg per shot at 750 rpm with a 60 round clip
Boundless HMG (yes, the high end one) = 19.8 base dmg per shot, 2k rpm with a 425 round clip.

sounds like the hmg wins right?
but it doesn't, no heavy suit that i can think of has more than 2 high slots, so max dmg mods = 2 while some assault and scout suits exceed that count allowing more dmg mods and still more agility, speed, stamina and everything else than a heavy.
reload time on the AR is half that of the HMG, again, an advantage, in fact nothing that I can think of off the top of my head takes as long to reload as the HMG does, even MD and SL are 4 and 4.5 secs base, so while a heavy fiddles with reloading his weapon for 8 secs, he continues to get blasted by the enemy.
and let's not even talk about heat seizure of the weapon


I do however think that a heavy's drawbacks should be factored into the mix and appropriate buffs given to counter-balance those drawbacks, as it is now all any assault or scout suit has to do is just stay out of our gun's range and kill us, or jump up and down like they are having a seizure until we have to reload and then *****-slap us till we die while we reload.

just a thought.

o/
Bill

So, there is no new data-dump available.
The one we had before from here https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75594&find=unread is pretty much irrelevant.

CCP says "10%" damage increase. I"ve just checked this latest spreadsheet against in-game values. Some are spot on 10%, others are 10.1%, 10.3%, 11%, 9.5%, 9% and so on. There is no rhyme or logic. The values variate too high to be a rounding issue.

Also Nova Knives and Grenades did not get any kind of damage increase (i am not complaining about the lack of increase, just inconsistency and lack of data).

And of course the new weapons are missing all together.

CCP, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE give us another accurate data-dump

A weapon with a zillion rounds and damage to scale incrementing over time at a point in time should have the same range than something with less bullets that has a fixed default damage that will obviously not escalate should.


lmao

Is it me or is dust not even really fun anymore

Not just you

WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please please dont say its a blanket +10% !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tactical AR's dont need it.
Forge guns dont need it
Grenades dont need it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PLEASE be careful with this! HMG i can understand but 10% might mess with everything else