good video..

We're slower and have no equipment slots. When we got shot at, we are taking nearly 100% of the incoming damage due to our inability to strafe and massive hitbox.

Our guns should not be balanced against an AR. It should be better than an AR.

Ok, I run heavies and I agree with that for the most part, but I don't want to see HMGs shooting 60/70+ meters or more which is the range of most of the ARs that have killed me on the field since uprising was released even though, the AR user would still have an advantage over the heavy even at that distance just going by roles and guns...
Exile AR = 34.0 base dmg per shot at 750 rpm with a 60 round clip
Boundless HMG (yes, the high end one) = 19.8 base dmg per shot, 2k rpm with a 425 round clip.

sounds like the hmg wins right?
but it doesn't, no heavy suit that i can think of has more than 2 high slots, so max dmg mods = 2 while some assault and scout suits exceed that count allowing more dmg mods and still more agility, speed, stamina and everything else than a heavy.
reload time on the AR is half that of the HMG, again, an advantage, in fact nothing that I can think of off the top of my head takes as long to reload as the HMG does, even MD and SL are 4 and 4.5 secs base, so while a heavy fiddles with reloading his weapon for 8 secs, he continues to get blasted by the enemy.
and let's not even talk about heat seizure of the weapon


I do however think that a heavy's drawbacks should be factored into the mix and appropriate buffs given to counter-balance those drawbacks, as it is now all any assault or scout suit has to do is just stay out of our gun's range and kill us, or jump up and down like they are having a seizure until we have to reload and then *****-slap us till we die while we reload.

just a thought.

o/
Bill

So, there is no new data-dump available.
The one we had before from here https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75594&find=unread is pretty much irrelevant.

CCP says "10%" damage increase. I"ve just checked this latest spreadsheet against in-game values. Some are spot on 10%, others are 10.1%, 10.3%, 11%, 9.5%, 9% and so on. There is no rhyme or logic. The values variate too high to be a rounding issue.

Also Nova Knives and Grenades did not get any kind of damage increase (i am not complaining about the lack of increase, just inconsistency and lack of data).

And of course the new weapons are missing all together.

CCP, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE give us another accurate data-dump

A weapon with a zillion rounds and damage to scale incrementing over time at a point in time should have the same range than something with less bullets that has a fixed default damage that will obviously not escalate should.


lmao

Is it me or is dust not even really fun anymore

Not just you

WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please please dont say its a blanket +10% !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tactical AR's dont need it.
Forge guns dont need it
Grenades dont need it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PLEASE be careful with this! HMG i can understand but 10% might mess with everything else

Posting the following info on upcoming changes to weapon damage and HMG balance on behalf of CCP Rement since he's knee deep in making these changes. He will also be answer questions and discussing this topic in this thread as well.

Tl;dr version:
GÇó In the next hot-fix weapons will all get a 10% damage increase to compensate for the removal of the Weaponry skill bonus.
GÇó HMG damage buffed to 18 HP (including aforementioned 10% increase) and given a 5% dispersion buff.
GÇó In the near future, we will address range issues by removing the hard stop that currently takes place at maximum weapon range.

In Chromosome, the Weaponry skill gave an across the board 2% damage bonus to handheld weapons per level. Given the low SP cost of the skill (and the fact that itGÇÖs a pre-req for every weapon in the game) the majority of players would just skill straight to level 5 making the skill pretty pointless. So, in Uprising we removed the skill bonus. The side effect of this, of course, is that time-to-kill has increased.

This, combined with some of the control issues weGÇÖve been seeing, has led to combat feeling worse than it did in Chromosome. We will address this with a hot-fix that gives an across the board 10% increase to all handheld weapon damage to put DPS back to where it was. Additionally, weGÇÖve increased HMG damage and reduced the dispersion penalty when moving by 5% to address issues with the weapon.

The removal of the Sharpshooter skill (which gave bonuses to range) has also highlighted some issues with range in general. Weapon classes need unique range profiles. I doubt anyone would dispute that. And the sharpshooter skill was pushing far too many weapons beyond their intended engagement ranges. While itGÇÖs removal has caused some issues, the SS skill was a crutch and it hid more deep-seated problems with range in the game. It will not be coming back.

Right now, all weapons have an optimal and maximum range. Unfortunately, at its max range the weapon simply stops doing damage. This is bad for a whole host of reasons and weGÇÖll be addressing this with a point release in the near future by giving all weapons an optimal, effective and absolute range. Up to the optimal range weapons will do 100% damage (shield/armor profiles notwithstanding) and then drop off slowly towards their effective range. From effective range out to the absolute range damage will drop noticeably but weapons will still do incidental damage even at extreme ranges.

this update is much appreciated. especially for me a pro heavy. however, i would like to point out the heavy suit and hmg could use a little buff. (not alot or even a big buff)

Why? simply because i can't hit anything right now and the maps are very big. a buff to HMG range and shield/armor (even as a temporary fix until the ranges on all weapons are fixed) would fix a lotof problems. I also, strongly believe the HMG should do slightly more damage to shields (not like a hybrid weapon but about 10% more than it is now).

the balance is inherent. heavies have limited mobility, therefore, they must be more defensiible, and should do greater damage. if the HMG had more range, and did more damage to shields enemies would need to engage me more tactically, namely using strafing tactics and flux grenades (right now they just charge into my gun fire and still win out).

limited mobility is also the reason why i think more armor would be appropriate, proto ARs do so much damage now that they can tear right through a heavy like me even in proto gear. that said more shield or armor (about 25% more than current 400/400) would stop that. :) in the description it says that the armor is supposed to be resistent to small arms fire. so, adding more armor, or making the shields/armor of the heavies take 10%-15% reduced damage from small arms would also help them accomplish this goal.

if the heavies also had more slots and about 5% more PG and CPU, it would make a big difference in how they operate. as our purpose is to defend the squad, and be a tank for the squad.

its anti-personnel purpose
in short, the only real role of the HMG is to be antiperssonel. that said, i have encountered on a consistent basis enemies with massive amounts a shield that make taking them out just as difficult as taking out another heavy. difference is they are more mobile. if the HMG did more shield damage (10% more shield damage than it currently does) that would remedy the problem.

as a final thought. once the hmg is at full spool the rounds should become extremely accurate like an ARs. in all honest an hmg is just a bigger AR. therefore, the HMG should have the same range profile if not slightly more than an AR (lets face it plasma changes its state faster than solids like lead). this is again balanced by the in accuracy of the intial spooling time, and reload time.

all these are recommended buffs are balanced by the 1. limitied mobility, 2. reload time, 3. hmg over heating, 4. the hmg recoil and 5. its in accuracy (during intial spool extremely in accuracte until spooling is complete then really accurate), 6. head shots (its much easier for other weapons to get headshots on heavies giving them additional damage. my limited mobility makes it so that i cant really dodge effectively). any player that uses cover and grenades effectively should winout against a hvy not doing so. but in a straight encounter with no cover the hmg must win.

thank you for hearing me out. I appreciate your time, consideration and patience.

Like I suggested in a separate thread, gear, at least for now, should reflect its output in its relative price.

This way lots of issues like protostomping, "OP" whining and roadkill derby would take a significant hit in their popularity.

Proto gear would be reserved for significant battles, and the need for powercreeping everything towards uselesness (see MD and HMG) would be eliminated.


Lets face it.

Some weapons will always be more useful than others.

The AR is king of the game right now, it always will be, as its the most reliable weapon in any given situation. There will always be more ARs in a match as any other weapon. You can balance ARs (and scramblers, and upcoming rifle variants) against each other, however, you cant balance ARs against HMGs or Sniper Rifles.

The MD will always be a niche weapon that can dish out in the right hands, the HMG will always be a powerhouse. Instead of nerfing those, cranking up the price would do a great deal better.

What I see now in the game are heavies running around with SRs and ARs, that is not the thought behind either of those things.

dev in all games used to work hard to balance everything. i mean think of MvC1 the first one was pretty balanced (except onslaught).

if you were good with your character you could do wonders. or even star wasrs battle front 1 and 2. they were pretty balanced.
but the closer you get to modern times, balancing is not the way to go.

after their quick damage buff to the hmg, they feel that was enough and have been ignoring hheavy posts. because their afraid that if they actually balance heavies, the CoD, Battlefield AR and SR users will actually need to play using skill and tactics against a heavy.

everyone is afraid of heavies proto stomping other dropsuits. they forget a protologi is still a logi, a proto assault is still an assault they are the same drop suit is still an assault suit. they are just supposed to be better at what logis and assaults do.

as it stands there is no difference between a proto heavy suit and a scout suit because i die just as fast

^^dude you lost me, can you re-word that a bit?

TL;DR

Specialization is f-¦cked, because nieche weapons are not worth using and heavies are made of paper and shoot jelly beans.