Agreed ,aiming is completely broken both in ADS and hipfire,i cant hit anything.

Maybe you are broken?

When you ADS it's like youre fighting the cursor to get ON the target, almost like they made it Anti-Aim Assist, so if you target someone it actively tries to keep cursor off it

Is your aim assist off?

I just started playing so I don't know much about previous builds but I was having an absolutely HORRIBLE time aiming until I turned the aim assist off and now things are far smoother.

Aiming has never been great.

So whats more effective into guilting them into a faster fix?

A thousand threads?

Or one threadnought?

So whats more effective into guilting them into a faster fix?

A thousand threads?

Or one giant megathread?

So let's make this the threadnought.

We on the other hand seem to be fighting our aiming cursor instead of the actual opponent.

Is this a KB/M thread, because aiming has gotten SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER on the DS3.

Hi guys,

I just wanted to let you know we are investigating the issues that are being reported with aiming and should have more info soon.

Cheers

CCP Wolfman

Every FPS has different sensitivity settings and you always have to adjust to them when you first play. This build may as well be a whole new game, so ADAPT. Track your taget carefully instead of getting excited when he starts strafing away from the center of your crosshairs. INTFH, if some of us with Ds3's are still owning, the rest of you can too. Pick up your game.

Hi guys,

I just wanted to let you know we are investigating the issues that are being reported with aiming and should have more info soon.

Cheers

CCP Wolfman

Is this a KB/M thread, because aiming has gotten SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER on the DS3.

Exactly. Plus the controller sensitivity settings in Options actually work in Uprising as opposed to the previous build.

I have seen posts in these forums in favor of the improved aiming on the DS3. Maybe m/kb aiming broke when they improved aiming for the DS3?

Maybe m/kb aiming broke when they improved aiming for the DS3?

There are DS3 users complaining about the aiming as well.

The difference is that there are fewer DS3 users actually capable of aiming to begin with, so only a few actually notice when their viability has decreased.

It sounds as if you are not among that pool. Congratulations.

What they "fixed" was the addition of aim acceleration. This is, for many console FPS players, a good improvement. With a mouse, it means that if you move your mouse at a constant speed, you don't turn at a constant speed. They applied acceleration to mouse aim as well as sixaxis.

And neither has the option to reduce it or turn it off, when both should be able to do so.

I'm getting the hang of it again. But from a distance the Aim Assist seems a little off. It wont assist at all, It'll actually make it even harder.

Llan Heindell.

And why does it take forever to switch from my AR to my Scrambler and back? Why does it take forever to switch between weapons?

When using the Mouse sensitivity at 90 it's really slow and could do with being more sensitive, I had to swipe across my mouse mat twice to turn 90 degrees.
Cranking it up to 100 goes crazy nuts and it's super over-sensitive, a move of 1.5 inches turned me nearly 180 degrees.

Well here is the solution I found that worked for me.....

Go the the Move Controller settings and reduce the Crosshair Sensitivity down - I found that about 45-50 made the mouse usable.
Now your mouse on 100 sensitivity is actually usable

Hurrah!

Is this a KB/M thread, because aiming has gotten SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER on the DS3.

So sad how people jump to the forums to cry before they actually play the game.

And why does it take forever to switch from my AR to my Scrambler and back? Why does it take forever to switch between weapons?

And why does it take forever to switch from my AR to my Scrambler and back? Why does it take forever to switch between weapons?

What is sad to see are little kids like you with foul attitude talking nonsense on a forum like this one. Grow up lil fella

THIS

turn off aim assistance, turn up sensitivity, get more kills, DO IT.

also there are just lag issues, this has happened before, have faith, less lag, better aiming. the fix I posted is just to get around the bad input lag.

Forum rat.

Ccp should take advice from actual players not casuals with no social life trolling the forums

I'm starting to think the aiming is bugged for some people because I have no issues at all. It would not supprise me if this is the case and why some people are fine. Could move settings be screwing it up??

When you ADS it's like youre fighting the cursor to get ON the target, almost like they made it Anti-Aim Assist, so if you target someone it actively tries to keep cursor off it

Deadzone and input lag could also be an issue, though to be honest it doesn't really feel like it's either of those two.

This is off-point a bit, but still has something to do with aiming. One of the biggest problems with the aim is the gameplay itself; CCP, you reward people for jumping all over the place and strafing all over the place as if this was Unreal Tournament. It's ok there, it's not meant to be a game where you think, but here you can jump 4ft in the air, left, right, forwards and backwards, while strafing left and right like this is riverdance (go youtube it, CCP, just put guns in their hands and thats what we do).

I think if nothing was done with the aiming but you made a small change to the height we jump, maybe only let us jump forwards and lower the strafing speed, then people would be able to keep a track on someone. But its ok CCP, for a team-based game you do reward a lot of BS gameplay that in the long run just makes the game feel wrong. So CCP I ask you: Is this a team-based game where what you do can get you and your squad killed? Or is it the game that rewards people for being able to jump and strafe and bounce all over the place.

Very few shooters out there reward this kind of gameplay and I don't think you should either CCP. It's time to make people understand that if you get in a bad spot jumping and strafing and bouncing like a fool will not save you, and you should have thought about that before going in there guns blazing, thinking you're the man. Anyone that stays this needs to say is depending on it to much. CCP, just watch all the hate this gets as what I am saying is true, and some people will fight for it, but in the end with it gone aiming will be better, team play will be better, the way people fight will be better. Just something for you to look into CCP, I know it will help.

Firstly, fixed that for you. And now I need codeine. That was painful. I'll be back later with a reply that confirms that you're not just terrible at English, but are also terrible at game design. Your post was bad, and you should feel bad. I don't think I've told anyone this before, but please go biomass yourself. Thanks.

NOTE: There was one sentence that I couldn't make enough sense of to actually translate even into the semblance of English I've managed to assemble with the rest of the post. This sentence remains in its original state, but has been italicised.

Anyway, what I'd really like is no external algoritms messing with my aiming, but the movement speed of my gun completely dependent on how far I tilt my controller's stick. Right now, turning aim assist off doesn't seem to accomplish this well enough, if at all.

Yeah aim assist forces you not to lead targets so if they are sprint straffing you constantly shoot just behind them better to just turn it off.

Hi guys,

I just wanted to let you know we are investigating the issues that are being reported with aiming and should have more info soon.

Cheers

CCP Wolfman

When you ADS it's like youre fighting the cursor to get ON the target, almost like they made it Anti-Aim Assist, so if you target someone it actively tries to keep cursor off it

There are DS3 users complaining about the aiming as well.

The difference is that there are fewer DS3 users actually capable of aiming to begin with, so only a few actually notice when their viability has decreased.

It sounds as if you are not among that pool. Congratulations.

thanks for fixing it up but you did not need to be an ass about it

This is off-point a bit, but still has something to do with aiming. One of the biggest problems with the aim is the gameplay itself; CCP, you reward people for jumping all over the place and strafing all over the place as if this was Unreal Tournament. It's ok there, it's not meant to be a game where you think, but here you can jump 4ft in the air, left, right, forwards and backwards, while strafing left and right like this is riverdance (go youtube it, CCP, just put guns in their hands and thats what we do).

I think if nothing was done with the aiming but you made a small change to the height we jump, maybe only let us jump forwards and lower the strafing speed, then people would be able to keep a track on someone. But its ok CCP, for a team-based game you do reward a lot of BS gameplay that in the long run just makes the game feel wrong. So CCP I ask you: Is this a team-based game where what you do can get you and your squad killed? Or is it the game that rewards people for being able to jump and strafe and bounce all over the place.

Very few shooters out there reward this kind of gameplay and I don't think you should either CCP. It's time to make people understand that if you get in a bad spot jumping and strafing and bouncing like a fool will not save you, and you should have thought about that before going in there guns blazing, thinking you're the man. Anyone that stays this needs to say is depending on it to much. CCP, just watch all the hate this gets as what I am saying is true, and some people will fight for it, but in the end with it gone aiming will be better, team play will be better, the way people fight will be better. Just something for you to look into CCP, I know it will help.

Actually, yeah I did. I wasn't kidding about it causing me physical pain. I also wasn't kidding about the part in italics being too far from a semblance of English for me to be able to create a coherent sentence out of it.

And now, it's time to REPLY to the post.


Unreal Tournament, most of the Quake series, the Halo games, a few other FPS games and a lot of third-person shooters are built around a system of high-health-low-damage game mechanics. These mechanics produce a skill-based environment where evasion and aim are critical skills, and DUST follows the mechanics of those games more than most modern military shooters. This has been the case through every single build, including the current one. Devaluing the purpose of the game wouldn't magically make the broken aim mecahnics in the current build less broken. It would make targets easier to track by ruining other mechanics instead of fixing the problems. Anyone with even the vaguest hint of competence will tell you that when you have a choice between fixing something, and breaking something else so the already-broken thing doesn't look as bad, the latter option is what we refer to as "stupid".


Those above-referenced games allowed - in almost every case - infinite sprinting or nearly so, and no restrictions on repeated jumping. Most of them also allowed full movement control while you're in the air. DUST has neither of these advantages for the player focusing on mobility, meaning that with good aim, you can easily track the pre-determined path your target will be taking, solidly landing hits on them until they land. If someone is "bouncing around" too much for you to track, that's more of a commentary on your lack of skill than theirs, and it certainly doesn't prove bad game mechanics. If you really aren't competent enough at aiming, you can wait until they empty their stamina - usually only 3 or 4 jumps even with a Scout suit - then shoot them before they recover enough to jump more.

As for having a team-based focus, there's nothing to stop a game from having good combat mechanics - of ANY kind, strafe-and-track or otherwise - as well as good teamplay. They're working on WP rewards, and there are already some good team-focused rewards in the game, with more to come. In Chromosome, I frequently ran Logi, and had games where I literally pulled out my repair tool as I spawned, and never pulled out a gun after putting it away, and still, with a grand total of ZERO kills, was the highest-scoring player on the winning team.


Very few first-person shooters in the current console generation reward this kind of gameplay, because most current-gen console shooters are ripping off either Battlefield or Call of Duty (if they aren't part of one of those franchises). Plenty of third-person shooters have this style of gameplay, and do well for it. Transformers: War for Cybertron and Fall of Cybertron are good examples. Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine is another.

If they fix the way aiming works, both in terms of correcting the aim assist glitches and by giving us the option to disable turn acceleration, then the gameplay will actually work. If they remove the reason why the game isn't another CoD clone, it will be a cheap knockoff of a product with minimal appreciable value except as a case-study in how to best rip money from as many wallets as possible with the least amount of effort.

Hi guys,

I just wanted to let you know we are investigating the issues that are being reported with aiming and should have more info soon.

Cheers

CCP Wolfman

Hope they fix the aiming before release or Dust 514 will be teared apart by reviews and new players will quit in an instant, you don't that to happen don't you ccp?

Every FPS has different sensitivity settings and you always have to adjust to them when you first play. This build may as well be a whole new game, so ADAPT. Track your taget carefully instead of getting excited when he starts strafing away from the center of your crosshairs. INTFH, if some of us with Ds3's are still owning, the rest of you can too. Pick up your game.

Edit: This does not apply to those of you with aim assist glitches.

This post has to stay on top.

No, only a fool would think aiming fine.

Hi guys,

I just wanted to let you know we are investigating the issues that are being reported with aiming and should have more info soon.

Cheers

CCP Wolfman

Please....dont investigate it just revert the old aiming system. It was fine.

Please....dont investigate it just revert the old aiming system. It was fine.

It absolutely was not fine before. It's worse now, but they need to fix it instead of reverting. (Besides, with all the under the hood changes to the game engine, who can say if reverting to the old aiming would even work at this point. It would probably end up even more broken.)

What was wrong with it before??? I had no issues shooting people nor tracking them. If I missed a target, it is because I missed and not the game assisting me in missing. Now, it is the opposite..the game is assisting me to miss.

Anyone who thought the old system sucks needs to check their own aim and stop asking CCP to help them be better shooters.

What was wrong with it before??? I had no issues shooting people nor tracking them. If I missed a target, it is because I missed and not the game assisting me in missing. Now, it is the opposite..the game is assisting me to miss.

Anyone who thought the old system sucks needs to check their own aim and stop asking CCP to help them be better shooters.

Lol. Look, the old system had issues, the new system has issues. But heres how I know the new system is fundementally better...

Single shot weapons are more accurate and usable now than they were before. Scrambler + Tact AR are the dominate weapons this build. Why would that be the case if the aiming system was worse? These are skill weapons, not spray and pray.

From my small use of the gek, it seemed way harder until I started bursting instead of holding down the trigger, then it seemed to work well. There may be something weird going on with bullet dispersion and automatic weapons, but "aim" and "hit detection" seem better.

It was serviceable at best. If you thought it was good, then you clearly haven't played enough console shooters.

How is not being able to keep my sight onto the opponent no matter what setting better ?

so haveing read your post you dont think if thay cut back a bit on how high you can jump an tone down the strafe speed a bit it would not help. the point to my post was not to remove it all 100% just make it less of an easy way out if you get in a bad spot.

so haveing read your post you dont think if thay cut back a bit on how high you can jump an tone down the strafe speed a bit it would not help. the point to my post was not to remove it all 100% just make it less of an easy way out if you get in a bad spot.

No it hasn't. Aim Assist off causes MASSIVE problems for some people, while having it on is game-breaking for others.

In my case, it's Aim Assist off that's the problem. If I don't have it on, then when someone enters about a 5m range, I lose all ability to aim precisely. Attempting a small precise turn when there's a nearby enemy and Aim Assist is turned on results in almost a 90 degree instant jump in perspective, EVEN AT 0 SENSITIVITY.

Also, there's acceleration, which for some players is preferred, but which should NEVER be forced. There's no option to reduce or disable it, and it's quite heavy-handed, and doesn't respond the way turn acceleration works in most FPS games. Requiring players to turn for a period of time before reaching speed ISN'T ideal for everyone, and having the option of turn SCALING where the amount of pressure on the stick determines speed is the control option I've been asking for since I first started here.

If you're used to having acceleration instead of scaling, then the current build is fine - still not great, but it feels good. If you want a scaled turn rate where you have direct control instead of an acceleration algorithm, then you have problems.

Mouse control is far worse, but both schemes are fail.

Hi guys,

I just wanted to let you know we are investigating the issues that are being reported with aiming and should have more info soon.

Cheers

CCP Wolfman

Well i just ran a 25/3 after fiddling with my controls since Uprising Launch and its my best score ever since, before these were scores idd go damn i sucked....kinda of a score, but hey at least i can hit the side of a barn again!

You DO not want to know how i made it work but ill explain it anyways...

First of all you need a Mouse with separate Adjustable DPI axises "120 or so $"

Set X axis at 2600 DPI and Y axis at 3000 DPI or the otherway around, This made me be able to aim in a circle pattern again.

Then you plug both Mouse & Keyboard into an Eagle Eye KB/M to DS3 converter "90$ or so +-)

Adjust ingame DS3 X & Y axises to 60%.

Then set all the Look Deadzones to 24, 12, 17, 11, 25 and Eagle Sensitivity X axis to 1, Y axis to 2, angle correction to 10, rotation speed is left at 127.
Then set all the Scope mode to exactly the same.

Once ingame you don't HIPFIRE ever! Theres ontop of the aiming seems to be something very screwy about hit detection or where your bullets go when firing from the hip...always ADS and track the opponent even in cqc and kill it with ADS Fire.

Though it is nearly impossible to play as to turn around i need 3 times the full distance of my mousemat and its a steel series large mat.

But at least the ADS targetting is 100 % consistent with these settings, no acceleration!! is left over at only 210$ value...

Every FPS has different sensitivity settings and you always have to adjust to them when you first play. This build may as well be a whole new game, so ADAPT. Track your taget carefully instead of getting excited when he starts strafing away from the center of your crosshairs. INTFH, if some of us with Ds3's are still owning, the rest of you can too. Pick up your game.

Edit: This does not apply to those of you with aim assist glitches.

bravo, we found a solution

I love the brag "8.3 K/D score was so 'ugh im bad'" OMG YOU MUST BE SO GOOD AT DUST!

Thx

Urhh this is like trying to eat a meal with cutlery a meter long. SO frustrating and suddenly you get a tasty bit of fun, then its back to clawing your face of in annoyance.

Hi guys,

I just wanted to let you know we are investigating the issues that are being reported with aiming and should have more info soon.

Cheers

CCP Wolfman

Hi guys,

I just wanted to let you know we are investigating the issues that are being reported with aiming and should have more info soon.

Cheers

CCP Wolfman

Well i just ran a 25/3 after fiddling with my controls since Uprising Launch and its my best score ever since, before these were scores idd go damn i sucked....kinda of a score, but hey at least i can hit the side of a barn again!

You DO not want to know how i made it work but ill explain it anyways...

First of all you need a Mouse with separate Adjustable DPI axises "120 or so $"

Set X axis at 2600 DPI and Y axis at 3000 DPI or the otherway around, This made me be able to aim in a circle pattern again.

Then you plug both Mouse & Keyboard into an Eagle Eye KB/M to DS3 converter "90$ or so +-)

Adjust ingame DS3 X & Y axises to 60%.

Then set all the Look Deadzones to 24, 12, 17, 11, 25 and Eagle Sensitivity X axis to 1, Y axis to 2, angle correction to 10, rotation speed is left at 127.
Then set all the Scope mode to exactly the same.

Once ingame you don't HIPFIRE ever! Theres ontop of the aiming seems to be something very screwy about hit detection or where your bullets go when firing from the hip...always ADS and track the opponent even in cqc and kill it with ADS Fire.

Though it is nearly impossible to play as to turn around i need 3 times the full distance of my mousemat and its a steel series large mat.

But at least the ADS targetting is 100 % consistent with these settings, no acceleration!! is left over at only 210$ value...

that is just dumb an you know it we all have our own likes even you i bet if i changed the seat in your car you would change it to fit you right. so why not i ask cant we have the aim that each an everyone of us wants an need to play an win. if you fight this post you sir just want the game controlls to be only in your faver so that others cant challenge you.

In Uprising, it seems to be more of the opposite. Fine tuning your aim is decent, but larger more general aiming is unbelievably frustrating. This is obvious with close range 1v1 fights that last forever and turn into "dance battles".

Aiming is perhaps the biggest/worst change to this build, it kills the gunplay. I don't even like aiming in with my AR, I prefer hip firing now to potentially get a few shots off.

The main problem is that the acceleration and sensitivity isn't constant through ADS and hip fire. Also, the broken aim assist screwing things up combined with the broken ranges on weapons, the inconsistency just kills things.

So of all things, please try to fix this soon, hopefully by 14th so the majority of people don't write this off.

im so tied of reading post like this from GIGA noobs who has no idea wtf thay are doing ingame in the first place. DO NOT TELL ME TO ADAPT OR DIE... well you can but then you would have to say the same to a racedriver with no wheel so maybe you sholud consider that if you are doing good now you dident have any aim to begin with!

Baal, CCP said they found 'severe issues'.

On top of it, those of us with a mouse for the input device have problem of inconsistent acceleration to which a person cannot adapt. Understand? Muscle memory cannot remember something that does not have any pattern, brain cannot predict.

Please... CCP, respectable slayers of DUST community and FPS veterans with both Sixaxis and KBM concur there is an issue.
No adapting here, rather Fix or Die.

Aiming is perhaps the biggest/worst change to this build, it kills the gunplay. I don't even like aiming in with my AR, I prefer hip firing now to potentially get a few shots off.

The main problem is that the acceleration and sensitivity isn't constant through ADS and hip fire. Also, the broken aim assist screwing things up combined with the broken ranges on weapons, the inconsistency just kills things.

So of all things, please try to fix this soon, hopefully by 14th so the majority of people don't write this off.

If you have legit bugs, I understand that. There are however PLENTY of people who are having no such issues who are merely having trouble with the control changes.

For the last time, IF YOU ARE BUGGED I AM NOT AIMING MY COMMENTS AT YOU.

So is it best to expect some attempt of a solution on the official launch of DUST 514?

Would be nice to get some beta testing on a proper aiming mechanic. SO WE CAN FINALLY START TESTING GAME BALANCES. As it is right now EVERY test you conducting under this build is POINTLESS without credible aiming mechanics.

How about at least a attempted patch from what has been worked on over the last couple days. oh revert back to the old find a solution within the time frame you have given YOURSELFS.

Hi guys,

I just wanted to let you know we are investigating the issues that are being reported with aiming and should have more info soon.

Cheers

CCP Wolfman

Hi guys,

I just wanted to let you know we are investigating the issues that are being reported with aiming and should have more info soon.

Cheers

CCP Wolfman

+1 Last build was vastly better.

Please don't "tune" it.

Please don't "refine" it.

Please don't "change" it.

Please don't "fix" it.


I simply prefer the aiming in chromosome.

im lv 5 in most ar skills,im useing proto ars and im not haveing problems,try skilling up if you haveint or change you aim opts.

Every FPS has different sensitivity settings and you always have to adjust to them when you first play. This build may as well be a whole new game, so ADAPT. Track your taget carefully instead of getting excited when he starts strafing away from the center of your crosshairs. INTFH, if some of us with Ds3's are still owning, the rest of you can too. Pick up your game.

Edit: This does not apply to those of you with aim assist glitches.

Chromosome's aiming was WAY better, as well as the hit detection...

Well. I set the sentivity to 60 for Keyboard and Mouse. i actually play better now.

That is just mad! No way! It is better now. I used to empty SMG mags into people and get no hitmarkers. Now I can actually get head shots on them... Way better, don't kid yourself cuh'.

Maybe you are broken?

Maybe you are broken?

im lv 5 in most ar skills,im useing proto ars and im not haveing problems,try skilling up if you haveint or change you aim opts.

I simply prefer the aiming in chromosome.

What does your SP investment have to do with anything?

Riiiiiiiight.... I've been playing Dust for nearly a year and have adapted to every change they have thrown our way. I co-founded a corporation that has been around for over 8 months and has not left the top 20 since the last leaderboard reset despite never topping 130 members, I ran infantry during the missile spam, I ran AV during the GOD TANK rampage, I ran standard AR's during the BREACH AR GOD MODE craze, and I dodged flying RE's during the RE Frisbee free-for-all, and you think I have no idea what I'm doing? Oh god, where have YOU been this whole time? Because I have no idea how you're still here if you were here any longer than I have been and can't even adapt to a little sensitivity change.

It's not adapt or die. It's play with your sensitivity until you can manage, then practice until you get better. You all need to stop crying about it and get to work practicing, because though it might get tweaked, it likely wont be changed much for a long time.

bump bacause this somehow left the first page. get your **** together and do it fast CCP.

I'm done with this game until this bullshit is fixed.

In my 25 years of gaming this is by far the worst FPS experience I have ever had.

And I played Sniper: Path of Vengeance.

At any rate........ controls = terrabad this build.

Aiming is perhaps the biggest/worst change to this build, it kills the gunplay. I don't even like aiming in with my AR, I prefer hip firing now to potentially get a few shots off.

The main problem is that the acceleration and sensitivity isn't constant through ADS and hip fire. Also, the broken aim assist screwing things up combined with the broken ranges on weapons, the inconsistency just kills things.

So of all things, please try to fix this soon, hopefully by 14th so the majority of people don't write this off.

Hi guys,

We are working on an update for the MKB sensitivity settings to try and address the issues that have been reported. Could I also ask that when you post feedback on the controls you can specify what control method you are using because is not always easy to distinguish if the problems being reported are for MKB, DS3 or for a third party controller. It would also be useful if you could let us know if you were also experiencing any performance issues with lag or poor frame rate at the same time.

Will keep you up to date.

Cheers

CCP Wolfman

Hi guys,

We are working on an update for the MKB sensitivity settings to try and address the issues that have been reported. Could I also ask that when you post feedback on the controls you can specify what control method you are using because is not always easy to distinguish if the problems being reported are for MKB, DS3 or for a third party controller. It would also be useful if you could let us know if you were also experiencing any performance issues with lag or poor frame rate at the same time.

Will keep you up to date.

Cheers

CCP Wolfman

DS3 is terrible

Hi guys,

We are working on an update for the MKB sensitivity settings to try and address the issues that have been reported. Could I also ask that when you post feedback on the controls you can specify what control method you are using because is not always easy to distinguish if the problems being reported are for MKB, DS3 or for a third party controller. It would also be useful if you could let us know if you were also experiencing any performance issues with lag or poor frame rate at the same time.

Will keep you up to date.

Cheers

CCP Wolfman

Hi guys,

We are working on an update for the MKB sensitivity settings to try and address the issues that have been reported. Could I also ask that when you post feedback on the controls you can specify what control method you are using because is not always easy to distinguish if the problems being reported are for MKB, DS3 or for a third party controller. It would also be useful if you could let us know if you were also experiencing any performance issues with lag or poor frame rate at the same time.

Will keep you up to date.

Cheers

CCP Wolfman

I second this. the PS3 Controller is HORRID! I feel like I am spraying and praying. If I use the right analog in any way while in aim the bullets go haywire all over the place.

I used to use 30-30 now using 50-50 because the speed I was using had some kind of lag delay or something that was really dumb now the aim is just super Kamehameha gimped.

Hi guys,

We are working on an update for the MKB sensitivity settings to try and address the issues that have been reported. Could I also ask that when you post feedback on the controls you can specify what control method you are using because is not always easy to distinguish if the problems being reported are for MKB, DS3 or for a third party controller. It would also be useful if you could let us know if you were also experiencing any performance issues with lag or poor frame rate at the same time.

Will keep you up to date.

Cheers

CCP Wolfman

How about giving us some kind of sights on automatic assault riffles so we can get a better aim.Sense there is such a small hit window nowIt shows them on there but we cant use them why??

Riiiiiiiight.... I've been playing Dust for nearly a year and have adapted to every change they have thrown our way. I co-founded a corporation that has been around for over 8 months and has not left the top 20 since the last leaderboard reset despite never topping 130 members, I ran infantry during the missile spam, I ran AV during the GOD TANK rampage, I ran standard AR's during the BREACH AR GOD MODE craze, and I dodged flying RE's during the RE Frisbee free-for-all, and you think I have no idea what I'm doing? Oh god, where have YOU been this whole time? Because I have no idea how you're still here if you were here any longer than I have been and can't even adapt to a little sensitivity change.

It's not adapt or die. It's play with your sensitivity until you can manage, then practice until you get better. You all need to stop crying about it and get to work practicing, because though it might get tweaked, it likely wont be changed much for a long time.

Hi guys,

We are working on an update for the MKB sensitivity settings to try and address the issues that have been reported. Could I also ask that when you post feedback on the controls you can specify what control method you are using because is not always easy to distinguish if the problems being reported are for MKB, DS3 or for a third party controller. It would also be useful if you could let us know if you were also experiencing any performance issues with lag or poor frame rate at the same time.

Will keep you up to date.

Cheers

CCP Wolfman

The HMG megathread seems to have gotten their attention...anything about aiming and range and getting stuck on small steps on walls and slow grenade throw response, and crap revive mechanics outside of HMGs seems to be ignored. But who knows...maybe they read them and simply do not respond.

Well i just ran a 25/3 after fiddling with my controls since Uprising Launch and its my best score ever since, before these were scores idd go damn i sucked....kinda of a score, but hey at least i can hit the side of a barn again!

You DO not want to know how i made it work but ill explain it anyways...

First of all you need a Mouse with separate Adjustable DPI axises "120 or so $"

Set X axis at 2600 DPI and Y axis at 3000 DPI or the otherway around, This made me be able to aim in a circle pattern again.

Then you plug both Mouse & Keyboard into an Eagle Eye KB/M to DS3 converter "90$ or so +-)

Adjust ingame DS3 X & Y axises to 60%.

Then set all the Look Deadzones to 24, 12, 17, 11, 25 and Eagle Sensitivity X axis to 1, Y axis to 2, angle correction to 10, rotation speed is left at 127.
Then set all the Scope mode to exactly the same.

Once ingame you don't HIPFIRE ever! Theres ontop of the aiming seems to be something very screwy about hit detection or where your bullets go when firing from the hip...always ADS and track the opponent even in cqc and kill it with ADS Fire.

Though it is nearly impossible to play as to turn around i need 3 times the full distance of my mousemat and its a steel series large mat.

But at least the ADS targetting is 100 % consistent with these settings, no acceleration!! is left over at only 210$ value...

+1 for passion!

I hope it doesn't go unnoticed... For all of us.

Hi guys,

We are working on an update for the MKB sensitivity settings to try and address the issues that have been reported. Could I also ask that when you post feedback on the controls you can specify what control method you are using because is not always easy to distinguish if the problems being reported are for MKB, DS3 or for a third party controller. It would also be useful if you could let us know if you were also experiencing any performance issues with lag or poor frame rate at the same time.

Will keep you up to date.

Cheers

CCP Wolfman

so which dev though kb/m was op and nerfed it without thinking? how does this really get into deployment code?

So the entire problem is that the game thinks the mouse is an analog stick?

Are you serious?

Wow.... what a blunder.

Its really easy to spot, when you go into your equipment selection for a nano hive, your mouse selection behaves really jitterish as if it can only do certain angles but not all of them as before on the chromosone build where the wheel was really smooth all around.

The Eagle Eye converter that i have been fiddling with has the exact same issue because it translates mouse movement to analog stick movement and it since it uses angle correction to predict a straight line of movement you cannot go from point A to B in a circular motion because it converts it to a linear set of motion.

The main diffrence however is the Eagle eye allows for 10 Seperate Deadzones to be set, Adjustable Angle correction but if you adjust this too much you will get see all your micro movements instead of going from left to right in a straight line you get a zig zag motion up & down while going left & right. Angle correction deals with those micro movements.

Then you also have sensetivity adjustments for both axises and the same for being scoped in.

If you think about it since Y & X axis sens is off i need to run aprox a 20% - 30% difrence to get a circle pattern, witch most peoples mice cant do btw, but ingame DS3 users can set diffrent sensetivities for both axis.

In dust all you get is a Sensetivity slider and thats as far as your tweaking goes.

Then there are 1001 diffrent Mouses, all with diffrent DPI, Polling & whatsnot settings.

Theres however only 1 type of DS3, and any knockoff's are build to specification.

Hi guys,

We are working on an update for the MKB sensitivity settings to try and address the issues that have been reported. Could I also ask that when you post feedback on the controls you can specify what control method you are using because is not always easy to distinguish if the problems being reported are for MKB, DS3 or for a third party controller. It would also be useful if you could let us know if you were also experiencing any performance issues with lag or poor frame rate at the same time.

Will keep you up to date.

Cheers

CCP Wolfman

Good enough points. I think you've done your research well and I agree.

Someone at CCP made an absolutely insane decision over this.

I think we should space them.


WOLFMAN! WHO DID IT?

#1 Posted: 2013.05.10 09:38 | Report
Dear players,

Today DUST 514 will go offline for an extended period of time starting from 11:00 GMT. Server is expected to come back up at 12:00 GMT. Today's hotfix will apply following changes:


HMG Rebalance (more in-depth information to come in the upcoming post from CCP Wolfman) and 10% bonus damage to all handheld weapons
Fix to PG/CPU skills for vehicles not applying properly
Fix to vehicle upgrade skills not correctly applying bonuses to vehicles
Fixing playable areas (red line expansion) on some Ambush maps where players would spawn in odd locations
Fixing Vehicle engineering skill description
Mouse sensitivity tweaks applied
Call for help should now trigger automatically to further help logistics players revive their allies
Various battleserver stability fixes


Thank you for your patience and understanding.

Mouse DPI?



The hit detection is still botched, son.

The only difference is that they removed the false blue shield flash effect so you think you're getting more legit kills now.

actually, what is a deadzone?

Thanks for explaining Rei, so ideally there should be no deadzone for mouse...

the input lag is driving me nuts

Your Brain at this point climbs out of your skull and beats you to death with said controller.

Best explanation I've heard yet.

You should consider teaching college.

Ungh...lemme try to answer that one...

A deadzone is supposedly the point where the stick doesn't do anything, the bigger the deadzone the more you can yoink on the stick before it does something, lets say you yank on the stick to the left and you have a huge deadzone setting for left movement this will give you a notion of input lag because you moved to the left but it takes the controller a certain time to get out of its deadzone and start moving.

While this behavior is fine for platformers, it screws a shooter over royaly.

If the Analog stick has say 5 diffrent deadzones and they are all bogusly configured, you will get 5 diffrent input lag zones, or really odd behaviour because your brain says Left and up, your hand says left and up but the game does not go left until you get out the sticks deadzone, when you do get out of the deadzone you start to move left, now imagin the go UP deadzone is wrong and off from the go left zone, you are still going left but not yet up until you get out of that UP deadzone once you get out of that one, you will start going left and up.

You imagined or your brain predicted a straight line but on the screen you got more of a circular pattern.

Your Brain at this point climbs out of your skull and beats you to death with said controller.


A Mouse registers movement without deadzones, and when you move it moves, without waiting inside some cozy deadzone for accidentally touching the mouse, if you shake it, it shakes, if you accidently move it, your aim is off.

with the deadzone, we move the mouse a little JUST A LITTLE to adjust our aim but we moved it inside its deadzone and it translates as no movement on the screen, our brain reacts with additional movement to compensate and we fly right passed out target, we re-adjust back to target but again move too little and we don't move at all, so brain again thinks we need more movement and we fly passed target again.

Basically, what we have as input lag, are the deadzones creating a couple of ms of what we precieve as input lag, the bigger the zones, the bigger the percieved input lag or funky odd mouse behaviour if they run our mouses trough virtual control sticks.

Some people notice this behavior, while other peoples brains can fill in gaps much better.

I am not really sure how this translates to diffrent DPI mouse types, but on the eagle controller if you input a higher DPI or a lower DPI, you have to reconfigure all the deadzones again, same for polling rate, turn it up, and you get to reconfigre everything again.

If they keep going with a virtual Analog stick route, we will all require the exact same mouse or 20+ adjustable settings to tweak our different mouses to work with the games settings.