When you ADS it's like youre fighting the cursor to get ON the target, almost like they made it Anti-Aim Assist, so if you target someone it actively tries to keep cursor off it

Deadzone and input lag could also be an issue, though to be honest it doesn't really feel like it's either of those two.

This is off-point a bit, but still has something to do with aiming. One of the biggest problems with the aim is the gameplay itself; CCP, you reward people for jumping all over the place and strafing all over the place as if this was Unreal Tournament. It's ok there, it's not meant to be a game where you think, but here you can jump 4ft in the air, left, right, forwards and backwards, while strafing left and right like this is riverdance (go youtube it, CCP, just put guns in their hands and thats what we do).

I think if nothing was done with the aiming but you made a small change to the height we jump, maybe only let us jump forwards and lower the strafing speed, then people would be able to keep a track on someone. But its ok CCP, for a team-based game you do reward a lot of BS gameplay that in the long run just makes the game feel wrong. So CCP I ask you: Is this a team-based game where what you do can get you and your squad killed? Or is it the game that rewards people for being able to jump and strafe and bounce all over the place.

Very few shooters out there reward this kind of gameplay and I don't think you should either CCP. It's time to make people understand that if you get in a bad spot jumping and strafing and bouncing like a fool will not save you, and you should have thought about that before going in there guns blazing, thinking you're the man. Anyone that stays this needs to say is depending on it to much. CCP, just watch all the hate this gets as what I am saying is true, and some people will fight for it, but in the end with it gone aiming will be better, team play will be better, the way people fight will be better. Just something for you to look into CCP, I know it will help.

Firstly, fixed that for you. And now I need codeine. That was painful. I'll be back later with a reply that confirms that you're not just terrible at English, but are also terrible at game design. Your post was bad, and you should feel bad. I don't think I've told anyone this before, but please go biomass yourself. Thanks.

NOTE: There was one sentence that I couldn't make enough sense of to actually translate even into the semblance of English I've managed to assemble with the rest of the post. This sentence remains in its original state, but has been italicised.

Anyway, what I'd really like is no external algoritms messing with my aiming, but the movement speed of my gun completely dependent on how far I tilt my controller's stick. Right now, turning aim assist off doesn't seem to accomplish this well enough, if at all.

Yeah aim assist forces you not to lead targets so if they are sprint straffing you constantly shoot just behind them better to just turn it off.

Hi guys,

I just wanted to let you know we are investigating the issues that are being reported with aiming and should have more info soon.

Cheers

CCP Wolfman

When you ADS it's like youre fighting the cursor to get ON the target, almost like they made it Anti-Aim Assist, so if you target someone it actively tries to keep cursor off it

There are DS3 users complaining about the aiming as well.

The difference is that there are fewer DS3 users actually capable of aiming to begin with, so only a few actually notice when their viability has decreased.

It sounds as if you are not among that pool. Congratulations.

thanks for fixing it up but you did not need to be an ass about it

This is off-point a bit, but still has something to do with aiming. One of the biggest problems with the aim is the gameplay itself; CCP, you reward people for jumping all over the place and strafing all over the place as if this was Unreal Tournament. It's ok there, it's not meant to be a game where you think, but here you can jump 4ft in the air, left, right, forwards and backwards, while strafing left and right like this is riverdance (go youtube it, CCP, just put guns in their hands and thats what we do).

I think if nothing was done with the aiming but you made a small change to the height we jump, maybe only let us jump forwards and lower the strafing speed, then people would be able to keep a track on someone. But its ok CCP, for a team-based game you do reward a lot of BS gameplay that in the long run just makes the game feel wrong. So CCP I ask you: Is this a team-based game where what you do can get you and your squad killed? Or is it the game that rewards people for being able to jump and strafe and bounce all over the place.

Very few shooters out there reward this kind of gameplay and I don't think you should either CCP. It's time to make people understand that if you get in a bad spot jumping and strafing and bouncing like a fool will not save you, and you should have thought about that before going in there guns blazing, thinking you're the man. Anyone that stays this needs to say is depending on it to much. CCP, just watch all the hate this gets as what I am saying is true, and some people will fight for it, but in the end with it gone aiming will be better, team play will be better, the way people fight will be better. Just something for you to look into CCP, I know it will help.

Actually, yeah I did. I wasn't kidding about it causing me physical pain. I also wasn't kidding about the part in italics being too far from a semblance of English for me to be able to create a coherent sentence out of it.

And now, it's time to REPLY to the post.


Unreal Tournament, most of the Quake series, the Halo games, a few other FPS games and a lot of third-person shooters are built around a system of high-health-low-damage game mechanics. These mechanics produce a skill-based environment where evasion and aim are critical skills, and DUST follows the mechanics of those games more than most modern military shooters. This has been the case through every single build, including the current one. Devaluing the purpose of the game wouldn't magically make the broken aim mecahnics in the current build less broken. It would make targets easier to track by ruining other mechanics instead of fixing the problems. Anyone with even the vaguest hint of competence will tell you that when you have a choice between fixing something, and breaking something else so the already-broken thing doesn't look as bad, the latter option is what we refer to as "stupid".


Those above-referenced games allowed - in almost every case - infinite sprinting or nearly so, and no restrictions on repeated jumping. Most of them also allowed full movement control while you're in the air. DUST has neither of these advantages for the player focusing on mobility, meaning that with good aim, you can easily track the pre-determined path your target will be taking, solidly landing hits on them until they land. If someone is "bouncing around" too much for you to track, that's more of a commentary on your lack of skill than theirs, and it certainly doesn't prove bad game mechanics. If you really aren't competent enough at aiming, you can wait until they empty their stamina - usually only 3 or 4 jumps even with a Scout suit - then shoot them before they recover enough to jump more.

As for having a team-based focus, there's nothing to stop a game from having good combat mechanics - of ANY kind, strafe-and-track or otherwise - as well as good teamplay. They're working on WP rewards, and there are already some good team-focused rewards in the game, with more to come. In Chromosome, I frequently ran Logi, and had games where I literally pulled out my repair tool as I spawned, and never pulled out a gun after putting it away, and still, with a grand total of ZERO kills, was the highest-scoring player on the winning team.


Very few first-person shooters in the current console generation reward this kind of gameplay, because most current-gen console shooters are ripping off either Battlefield or Call of Duty (if they aren't part of one of those franchises). Plenty of third-person shooters have this style of gameplay, and do well for it. Transformers: War for Cybertron and Fall of Cybertron are good examples. Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine is another.

If they fix the way aiming works, both in terms of correcting the aim assist glitches and by giving us the option to disable turn acceleration, then the gameplay will actually work. If they remove the reason why the game isn't another CoD clone, it will be a cheap knockoff of a product with minimal appreciable value except as a case-study in how to best rip money from as many wallets as possible with the least amount of effort.

Hi guys,

I just wanted to let you know we are investigating the issues that are being reported with aiming and should have more info soon.

Cheers

CCP Wolfman

Hope they fix the aiming before release or Dust 514 will be teared apart by reviews and new players will quit in an instant, you don't that to happen don't you ccp?

Every FPS has different sensitivity settings and you always have to adjust to them when you first play. This build may as well be a whole new game, so ADAPT. Track your taget carefully instead of getting excited when he starts strafing away from the center of your crosshairs. INTFH, if some of us with Ds3's are still owning, the rest of you can too. Pick up your game.

Edit: This does not apply to those of you with aim assist glitches.

This post has to stay on top.

No, only a fool would think aiming fine.

Hi guys,

I just wanted to let you know we are investigating the issues that are being reported with aiming and should have more info soon.

Cheers

CCP Wolfman

Please....dont investigate it just revert the old aiming system. It was fine.