DUST Search - Announcement:The Future of DUST 514

Aeon Amadi wrote:

One Eyed King wrote:

Aeon Amadi wrote:

In regards to 1.3, fate is a cruel mistress. CCP does not intentionally mislead players, they do not go out of their way to exploit them. Take that from me, of all people, and you might know that to be true. CCP goes a -long way- to making sure the highest respect for their player base with the current team (and they should not be held responsible for the sins of their predecessors). This announcement is evidence of that. They didn't wait for Fanfest for a big reveal, they didn't wait for E3 or some other marketing frenzy, they didn't go straight to the Eve players - they came to you first in a format you're most familiar.

But most of all, they didn't have to. That courtesy has become expected of them when, as far as I know, they're the only non-indie developer that takes the time to engage their community and receive feedback on things that the community really isn't 100% necessary for.

I appreciate that they came here first, and that they didn't wait for FF (even if they had been working on this quite awhile, but I understand why they waited).

What I can't understand, with all their caution in not wanting to say anything before something more concrete was in place, is why even discuss 1.3 and allow the CPM to mention they were working on it, if they weren't sure they were going to release it?

And why, seeing as how they created an expectation of 1.3s release, they couldn't release it in some form or fashion as a thank you to the community.

As it stands, there are a lot of people, who spent many hours not only playing the game, but arguing, creating spreadsheets, and even websites to help better the game, who as a whole helped with both Dust and indirectly Dust 2.0, who will not be in any way, shape, or form be able to reap any rewards for their efforts.

1.3 could have been both a "thank you" and "sorry you can't come with us, we value you"

I dunno about you, but I generally don't eat pizza - regardless of how delicious it looks - after the cat sits on it.

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One Eyed King Nos Nothi 14	Posted - 2016.02.03 17:21:00 - [241] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: In regards to 1.3, fate is a cruel mistress. CCP does not intentionally mislead players, they do not go out of their way to exploit them. Take that from me, of all people, and you might know that to be true. CCP goes a -long way- to making sure the highest respect for their player base with the current team (and they should not be held responsible for the sins of their predecessors). This announcement is evidence of that. They didn't wait for Fanfest for a big reveal, they didn't wait for E3 or some other marketing frenzy, they didn't go straight to the Eve players - they came to you first in a format you're most familiar. But most of all, they didn't have to. That courtesy has become expected of them when, as far as I know, they're the only non-indie developer that takes the time to engage their community and receive feedback on things that the community really isn't 100% necessary for. I appreciate that they came here first, and that they didn't wait for FF (even if they had been working on this quite awhile, but I understand why they waited). What I can't understand, with all their caution in not wanting to say anything before something more concrete was in place, is why even discuss 1.3 and allow the CPM to mention they were working on it, if they weren't sure they were going to release it? And why, seeing as how they created an expectation of 1.3s release, they couldn't release it in some form or fashion as a thank you to the community. As it stands, there are a lot of people, who spent many hours not only playing the game, but arguing, creating spreadsheets, and even websites to help better the game, who as a whole helped with both Dust and indirectly Dust 2.0, who will not be in any way, shape, or form be able to reap any rewards for their efforts. 1.3 could have been both a "thank you" and "sorry you can't come with us, we value you" I dunno about you, but I generally don't eat pizza - regardless of how delicious it looks - after the cat sits on it. So this is all Cat Mercs fault? Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Chuckles Brown 348	Posted - 2016.02.03 17:23:00 - [242] - Quote The saddest part is the CPM knew about this 3 weeks ago. Why not just tell the people right away, as they had the right to know. It's not like we were given much notice anyway. Were you afraid of losing your voluntary spot on on a sham council, on a game that has a definite expiration date? Sad, that all of you were puppets until the end. What's the worst that could happen, lose?
Nirwanda Vaughns 1	Posted - 2016.02.03 17:24:00 - [243] - Quote Been saying PC for past god knows how long. i hope those of us that move over get something nice and fingers crossed we get option of beta testing nudge nudge wink wink Please fix my C-II hitpoints!! Jesus and I love you :)
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 14	Posted - 2016.02.03 17:27:00 - [244] - Quote Zaria Min Deir wrote: One Eyed King wrote: And lastly, I am curious as to what would constitute irrational behavior? Because I personally want the disappointment and even betrayal I know some of the community are feeling, as it's been stated to me in private conversations enough times, to be voiced in ways that CCP can't dismiss as "incoherent raging" and thus ignore even more easily. Irrational in this context simply means calling devs names, and other immature behaviour, that has no merits in a constructive conversation. That is actually an excellent point I wasn't prepared for. Zaria Min Deir wrote: One Eyed King wrote: As a community, we have largely been yanked around, rang out like a rag for money, and misled. That behavior, on the part of CCP, whether intentional or not, suggests a fundamental lack of respect for the player base. Why should anyone bother showing them the respect they have not shown us? Because you don't have to stoop to their level. If you feel disrespected (and I certainly understand if you do), you can still take the high road. I can't answer your questions about how 1.3 was handled, because even without NDA, I really wouldn't have the words. Fair enough. I appreciate all the hard work you and the CPM have done, and am sorry you guys had to be the ones to deal with this. o7 Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Megaman Trigger OSG Planetary Operations 1	Posted - 2016.02.03 17:30:00 - [245] - Quote Chuckles Brown wrote: The saddest part is the CPM knew about this 3 weeks ago. Why not just tell the people right away, as they had the right to know. It's not like we were given much notice anyway. Were you afraid of losing your voluntary spot on on a sham council, on a game that has a definite expiration date? Sad, that all of you were puppets until the end. More like not wanting to get sued and/or serve jail time for violating a legally binding NDA Purifier. First Class.
dusty5678 Second-Nature Shadow of Dust 427	Posted - 2016.02.03 17:30:00 - [246] - Quote Well we can't be that angry. Even though we were basically lab rats for a **** free-to-play game. I mean let's be honest, this game never really left the beta so there's no reason to be mad. I just feel sorry for the idiots who think that CCP won't them over on PC just as much they did on console. Let's be honest though, the freak show that is CCP, because real, live people don't ** with people for 3 years by way of a game, will not be living up to any expectations anyone has for the game. Anyone who thinks so clearly hasn't been playing long enough. RIP Dust514 and all the stupid Jews still playing. Long live Queen ZarZar <3 50 - "I survived Dust 514."
JIMvc2 KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 2	Posted - 2016.02.03 17:30:00 - [247] - Quote Well as tragic as it sounds. It's been a great experience. Just like MAG when it shut down on January 2014. I will do my share and waste all my 100+ tanks along with the gear I have. Time to end this with massive explosions!!! Judge my muscle content then I'll judge you by your Half Marathon time. Never underestimate runners - "Jim"
Aeon Amadi 13	Posted - 2016.02.03 17:33:00 - [248] - Quote Chuckles Brown wrote: The saddest part is the CPM knew about this 3 weeks ago. Why not just tell the people right away, as they had the right to know. It's not like we were given much notice anyway. Were you afraid of losing your voluntary spot on on a sham council, on a game that has a definite expiration date? Sad, that all of you were puppets until the end. Speaking for myself, no, I was not afraid of losing the voluntary spot on the - ahem - "sham council" (that you guys elected me to). I'm afraid of losing my voluntary spot on a council when I can still do right by the people who put me in this position and, to date, have done so to the best of my ability. Thinking so short term is what gets a CPM in trouble. A council member needs to think about the longer-stretch and the end goal. You can't beat up over the community's "right to know" when they're going to know anyway from the source itself. It isn't worth risking what you can offer to the community six months, a year, maybe five years from now - even if they never notice the impact you made behind the scenes. Throwing all of that away just to come out and say, "Oh, by the way" not only risks your position to do greater things, but also ruins your reputation and credibility as well. Assuming anyone would have believed any of us -had- we come out and made this announcement ourselves before CCP was ready. And my time spent on the council has shown that it is absolutely worth maintaining that position to do right by you guys, even if you do come off as a little pissy every so often. Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog Skype: nomistrav
DarkSinister187 warravens Imperium Eden 0	Posted - 2016.02.03 17:37:00 - [249] - Quote If I wanted to play a pc driven game don't you think I would play eve by now. So ccp wants to lose the players it's has with gaming consoles that enjoy the game. Are they going to give me the money to go buy a pc since they are not being considerate of pple without them. If it's not on a game console so everyone can play it what's the point. What about the ppl who have invested thousands upon thousands of hours developing their characters into what they are, ccp is just gonna say sorry and everyone accepts it and decides to stay part of their community. Usually in life when someone royally screws you over you don't continue to hang around with them waiting for them to do it again. Ccp obviously has no idea how to get and maintain players based on their history so trashing a good game to start another is a good idea to get players??? Why spend tons of money making a new game when you could invest the money into an already existing great game to make it appealing for new players to want to play. No one wants to play a game where they get killed every time they spawn in. If the matchmaking in dust was adjusted accordingly so new players didn't get stomped maybe they would have stayed. This just shows that ccp doesn't not have the drive to be inovativ winners rather quitters who want to give up at the challenge of improving a game. Sounds like someone is taking the easy way out.
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 3	Posted - 2016.02.03 17:39:00 - [250] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: TOW SECOND wrote: I just want to know ist comin on ps4 or its only on( pc ) ? PC only by the looks of it. Though it isn't confirmed. Right now, I'd consider it PC only for the time being. But never say never. CPM 1&2 Member CEO of DUST University

1913 DfLo ScReWeD uP InC Devil's Descendants 1	Posted - 2016.02.03 17:42:00 - [251] - Quote Hmmmm??? Will we get any Events from now to the End? No more work into 1.3 so why not make it fun while it lasts I Need Them Keys *DIPLO* *SUinc Mission* *514 Surplus*
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2016.02.03 17:42:00 - [252] - Quote While i am glad CCP is continuing this IP...... I Feel it is absolutely stupid to be launching a FPS on PC when they sell Absolutely Terrible on PC.... by any industry standards and by any facts..... When Planetside 2 is more active on the PS4 then it is on PC... It should speak pretty loudly... CCP is shooting themselves in the foot before they even start the race..... Please consult with consulting firms and marketing firms before you guys go through with a PC only development.... I Would much rather see the product as a market success, rather then another Niche PC game offered in the dark corner of Steam. P.S. This account hasn't been active on DUST for over a year... I Care enough to come back and warn you.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution 14	Posted - 2016.02.03 17:47:00 - [253] - Quote Chuckles Brown wrote: The saddest part is the CPM knew about this 3 weeks ago. Why not just tell the people right away, as they had the right to know. It's not like we were given much notice anyway. Were you afraid of losing your voluntary spot on on a sham council, on a game that has a definite expiration date? Sad, that all of you were puppets until the end. Breaking NDA can have legal consequences. Re-Re-Re-Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_; You never just leave Dust. You story will last forever.
Brahma El Indio KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 180	Posted - 2016.02.03 17:49:00 - [254] - Quote Bethhy wrote: When Planetside 2 is more active on the PS4 then it is on PC... Not true. PS2 on PS4 has only 2 servers left. PC has 5 regional servers plus an events server. PC PS2 community, while it has shrunk, is still alive and well and a lot larger than on PS4.
Aeon Amadi 13	Posted - 2016.02.03 17:51:00 - [255] - Quote Bethhy wrote: While i am glad CCP is continuing this IP...... I Feel it is absolutely stupid to be launching a FPS on PC when they sell Absolutely Terrible on PC.... by any industry standards and by any facts..... When Planetside 2 is more active on the PS4 then it is on PC... It should speak pretty loudly... CCP is shooting themselves in the foot before they even start the race..... Please consult with consulting firms and marketing firms before you guys go through with a PC only development.... I Would much rather see the product as a market success, rather then another Niche PC game offered in the dark corner of Steam. P.S. This account hasn't been active on DUST for over a year... I Care enough to come back and warn you. Care to supply some numbers and sources of those claims? Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog Skype: nomistrav
Gottlieb Daimler Shining Flame Amarr Empire 11	Posted - 2016.02.03 17:53:00 - [256] - Quote This is the best gaming news I have had in YEARS. Finally CCP follows through on the vision of a persistent sandbox shooter on the PC, and washes their hands with the console mess. It's about time. Bethhy wrote: While i am glad CCP is continuing this IP...... I Feel it is absolutely stupid to be launching a FPS on PC when they sell Absolutely Terrible on PC.... by any industry standards and by any facts..... When Planetside 2 is more active on the PS4 then it is on PC... It should speak pretty loudly... CCP is shooting themselves in the foot before they even start the race..... Please consult with consulting firms and marketing firms before you guys go through with a PC only development.... I Would much rather see the product as a market success, rather then another Niche PC game offered in the dark corner of Steam. P.S. This account hasn't been active on DUST for over a year... I Care enough to come back and warn you. You have no clue what you're talking about.
Forlorn Destrier Incorruptibles 3	Posted - 2016.02.03 17:53:00 - [257] - Quote Chuckles Brown wrote: The saddest part is the CPM knew about this 3 weeks ago. Why not just tell the people right away, as they had the right to know. It's not like we were given much notice anyway. Were you afraid of losing your voluntary spot on on a sham council, on a game that has a definite expiration date? Sad, that all of you were puppets until the end. They were legally unable to tell anyone due to the NDA. I am the *Forgotten Warhorse, a Lord of Lightning* I am *Havok, Incorruptible*
Oskar Gerasim Planetary Response Organisation FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 1	Posted - 2016.02.03 17:56:00 - [258] - Quote PRO will continue to exist on Dust until it's last day. For anyone looking for place to ride things out until the end come visit 514RADIO, we will be there and ready to play. We might as well get some epic battles out of this game while we still can. Dust is dead! Long live PRO
Andrew Ka Subdreddit 50	Posted - 2016.02.03 17:56:00 - [259] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: I just wanted to highlight something from the OP. This is a new game, built from stratch. As a result no one here should make assumptions about anything or everything making the transition from PS3 Dust to PC Dust. You'll be just setting yourselves up for disappointment or false expectations, something which this new game, I think we can all agree, doesn't need round it's neck on day one. As Yoda says, You must unlearn what you have learned. Quote: ...we will provide tiered recognition rewards to our loyal DUST customers, details to be announced. Those two statement's in tandem bum me out immensely. Considering all the promises in the past about not losing the effort we've put in, etc... etc... It kills a desire to come back. New Eden games are built on a bedrock of persistence, destroying that with Dust platform change thanks my trust. Who's to say CCP won't just up and do it again?
Ankbar Latrommi Roghnaigh Do Scrios 219	Posted - 2016.02.03 17:57:00 - [260] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Throwing all of that away just to come out and say, "Oh, by the way" not only risks your position to do greater things, The console game is dead, there is no greater future thing. Not for a good portion of the community. Reiner Knizia-"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." Eve> FPS

Marlin Kirby KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 557	Posted - 2016.02.03 18:00:00 - [261] - Quote It won't be missed to me. The not Logic Bomb! You couldn't pay me to play this game Got to get those pub stomps over hours yo!
Richard Sebire Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 46	Posted - 2016.02.03 18:03:00 - [262] - Quote I will purposely stay away from any software or game you release henceforth. You took our money and have run... Well done to you all at CCP I hope more of your monuments get vandalised and Eve also has its reputation tarnished by this. Fail and go bankrupt CCP Disgraceful Your kindly Richard "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster" Friedrich Nietzsche-
Soto Gallente 692	Posted - 2016.02.03 18:05:00 - [263] - Quote Richard Sebire wrote: I will purposely stay away from any software or game you release henceforth. You took our money and have run... Well done to you all at CCP I hope more of your monuments get vandalised and Eve also has its reputation tarnished by this. Fail and go bankrupt CCP Disgraceful Your kindly Richard Uh, no they didn't. The money they got from us was used wisely and they are using it so that even though the game may not survive, the idea and the concept will survive onto another game. CCP never betrayed us. Ex-news reporter for The Scope
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 2	Posted - 2016.02.03 18:06:00 - [264] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Chuckles Brown wrote: The saddest part is the CPM knew about this 3 weeks ago. Why not just tell the people right away, as they had the right to know. It's not like we were given much notice anyway. Were you afraid of losing your voluntary spot on on a sham council, on a game that has a definite expiration date? Sad, that all of you were puppets until the end. Breaking NDA can have legal consequences. People that have never been under one don't understand that. After reading through the now 13 pages kn this thread, i do have to say I'm pretty proud of how the community is handling the news this time. I think CCP and us mercs learned how valuable being respectful is to keeping interaction going. Granted this statement opens up so many more questions now that the cat(merc) is out of the bag. Where do we sign up for alpha/beta and the DUST: PHOENIX LEGION forums? My Rattati, my Ratatti, why have you abandoned me?
Keeper Ilie Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2016.02.03 18:08:00 - [265] - Quote The suits are very "New Eden" and also the weapons. As an Eve player I really appreciate that. I love this universe, I bought a PS3 only for Dust 514, and haven't used it for anything else. I bought some Aurum. Please let's board titans before I die of old age. Please make some PVE happen, so I could also relax into some drone killing. Thanks!
TYRlON LANNISTER Imperfects Negative-Feedback 40	Posted - 2016.02.03 18:08:00 - [266] - Quote Bye Felicia
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2016.02.03 18:09:00 - [267] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Care to supply some numbers and sources of those claims? http://ps2.fisu.pw/activity/?world=25 Can fish through server data for all PC and PS4 servers... Planetside 2 launched on PC, in 2012.... PS2 didn't even fully launch on the PS4 until June 23rd 2015.... Like 6-7 months ago... Seeing how Planetside 2 was supposed to be a launch title for Sony's brand new console in 2013... And in exchange Sony was going to cover the advertising and marketing... And it launched a few years late? Not much Marketing was ever done.
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 3	Posted - 2016.02.03 18:09:00 - [268] - Quote People have asked about these 'Tiered Rewards' and what is going to transfer to the new game. The CPM have given their thoughts on this obviously and we hope that the discussion between you and the Dev's on this will happen soon. Now as to my opinion on the matter and it is only my opinion, my thinking is as follows. Name carried over is number one priority Corps and your Corp history is the second. After that, everything is just gravy. SP, I'd like maybe a head start on players coming to the game new. But I'm not going to sulk if I have to start from scratch. ISK? Please..... After the glut of it that came from PC1.0 and district farming... kill it all with fire as far as I'm concerned. Start the economy fresh. AUR. If AUR is to continue as a currency option in Nu Dust and I've got some unspent, then obviously that needs to come over as well. But AURUM refunds like some have asked about... not bothered. I've received the benefit of that AUR via SP boosters and AUR gear so t's not like I didn't get anything for that. BPO's and Skins. Now I've got an extensive collection of these and yes I did say that I've received the benefits of my Aurum purchases but I'd like something to show for that collection. But obviously BPO's as we know them might not carry over to the new game. So I'll need to see whats on offer about them. CPM 1&2 Member CEO of DUST University
JIMvc2 KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 2	Posted - 2016.02.03 18:09:00 - [269] - Quote Brahma El Indio wrote: Bethhy wrote: When Planetside 2 is more active on the PS4 then it is on PC... Not true. PS2 on PS4 has only 2 servers left. PC has 5 regional servers plus an events server. PC PS2 community, while it has shrunk, is still alive and well and a lot larger than on PS4. Oh ok. Is that why the other two big pieces of land are locked? When I downloaded PS2 it said closed beta = mmm idk if its true. The game was fun but as a new player it was plain confusing that I deleted the game. Judge my muscle content then I'll judge you by your Half Marathon time. Never underestimate runners - "Jim"
Chuckles Brown 351	Posted - 2016.02.03 18:13:00 - [270] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Chuckles Brown wrote: The saddest part is the CPM knew about this 3 weeks ago. Why not just tell the people right away, as they had the right to know. It's not like we were given much notice anyway. Were you afraid of losing your voluntary spot on on a sham council, on a game that has a definite expiration date? Sad, that all of you were puppets until the end. Speaking for myself, no, I was not afraid of losing the voluntary spot on the - ahem - "sham council" (that you guys elected me to). I'm afraid of losing my voluntary spot on a council when I can still do right by the people who put me in this position and, to date, have done so to the best of my ability. Thinking so short term is what gets a CPM in trouble. A council member needs to think about the longer-stretch and the end goal. You can't beat up over the community's "right to know" when they're going to know anyway from the source itself. It isn't worth risking what you can offer to the community six months, a year, maybe five years from now - even if they never notice the impact you made behind the scenes. Throwing all of that away just to come out and say, "Oh, by the way" not only risks your position to do greater things, but also ruins your reputation and credibility as well. Assuming anyone would have believed any of us -had- we come out and made this announcement ourselves before CCP was ready. And my time spent on the council has shown that it is absolutely worth maintaining that position to do right by you guys, even if you do come off as a little pissy every so often. I'll try to remain as polite as possible, as you seem to be unfamiliar with quarterly projections and how accounting works for capital gain based companies. Your NDA agreement expires, and does not have any consequences or repercussions of consequence of a breach for yourself personally. The worst that could have happened to you; being thrown off a sham council on a game that's ending anyway. In short, you're a temp. You have 0 financial tie to the company. As it would pertain to the long term status of the council, again it has zero consequence. CCP, can choose to end CSM/CPM position and bodies at any point in time. As, they are are a quarterly based company, they are not concerned with long-term investments. Ruining the reputation of the CPM for future use would not matter, as CPMs have been removed from the council before and investigated for corruption already. Protecting the position means nothing as it can be eliminate without cause at any reason, because you are a temp. If you were to provide me evidence of you collecting data, or performing as a liaison to CCP development on behalf of the community; I'd gladly remove my label of you as a "puppet". Until then, you have betrayed the playerbase you pledged to represent to side with a company that has committed the last and ultimate disgrace to it's customers. What's the worst that could happen, lose?



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