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Aeon Amadi 13	Posted - 2016.02.03 16:26:00 - [1] - Quote I had hoped to be awake for the announcement to drop, but fate was not so welcoming.. As a disclaimer, I have a grade two concussion right now (lost a fight with a utility truck) and my head is spinning, but I will do my absolute best to try and be here to talk. Was kinda hoping one of the other CPM would drop that info earlier, lazy sods Answers: Echo 1991 wrote: I really hope we don't have to wait until fanfest to actually get more info. Cos that's gonna suck. That is something the CPM has made abundantly clear. Mobius Wyvern wrote: The one thing I'm most curious about right now is how much communication in regards to this new Dust will we get before FanFest 2016? I mean, I understand if you guys are going to keep the details under-wraps for marketing reasons, but I'm just curious. There's always going to be a fight of philosophy between early awareness and the big reveal mentality. However, the old style of "let's show everything at Fanfest" died off a long time ago, if this announcement is any indicator. Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog Skype: nomistrav
Aeon Amadi 13	Posted - 2016.02.03 16:51:00 - [2] - Quote Brahma El Indio wrote: I stopped playing this game after about the third patch in the original beta....it did not feed my MAG needs and I eventually went to Planetside 2 on PC...which coincidentally has been a massive failure on PS4 (player counts so low they merged to two servers within 6 months of launch)... So the lessons are clear...games of scale and depth, where development lifecycles extend over years are just not meant for consoles...consoles are hardwrae limited...therefore the development and longevity of such deep games is also limited on consoles...especially shooters which are very resource intensive.. CCP has done something smart finally by recognizing that what they are trying to accomplish in terms of scale and depth and the ability to actually ceate it, is only possible on PC.... This new game when launched, will be a welcome FPS addition on PC... I hope they have large player caps and timed rounds, so we get scale but without the neverending unimaginative meta of Planetside 2.... They should also provide a mechanism to take any aurum balances that players have left when Dust closes, to the new game when launched....that's the rignt thing to do... Good luck all and happy gaming. That's ultimately the biggest problem with consoles as a whole. PC allows for rapid iterations; developers can find and fix mistakes without having to go through the console's manufacturer (and thereby their publisher). Not being restricted to client vs server side fixes is a must if the past two years have been any indication. I mean, ****, eye-ball Warlords 1.3 and you can gather that most of that had to have been client-side changes. The beauty and weakness of consoles are that they make for a more pure, standardized format of gaming, but that format is designed for one-off full-fledged releases (hence why Battlefield, Killzone, Call of Duty, etc are franchises). Even if you did have the unicorn game that featured a progressive release scheme where new content was added in afterward you'd still have to manage around the specs of the system as it was first released. The only thing that will change that is if Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo come out with a modular platform designed to be upgraded as the years went by - which, funny thing, Nintendo did years ago. Thing is, it doesn't sell very well, because the same mentality that makes people hesitant to go PC applies there as well: People don't want to spend money to upgrade later on. This isn't a justification or excuse for this new game to not be on consoles - not at all - but even in perfect scenarios it will be difficult to both manage and maintain. Some features for PC would be difficult to transition over to consoles, and bugs would take longer to fix. It's just not something I'd imagine anyone is willing to handle up on -RIGHT NOW-, yanno? Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog Skype: nomistrav
Aeon Amadi 13	Posted - 2016.02.03 17:00:00 - [3] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Kevall Longstride wrote: I just wanted to highlight something from the OP. This is a new game, built from stratch. As a result no one here should make assumptions about anything or everything making the transition from PS3 Dust to PC Dust. You'll be just setting yourselves up for disappointment or false expectations, something which this new game, I think we can all agree, doesn't need round it's neck on day one. Zaria Min Deir wrote: I can personally empathise with how many of the community will feel about this announcement, specifically the console only players. This evolution of the New Eden FPS will leave many of the loyal playerbase behind, and a lot of disappointment and even anger is justified in reaction to how all of this is and has been handled. No matter how justified, taking that anger out with irrational behaviour on the forums or in game will not help anyone. I hope the community can come together in a mature manner to discuss the issues and concerns that this announcement has raised, and that those of the community that are disappointed don't resent others celebrating the path CCP has chosen. I think that we were already set up for disappointment by even thinking that 1.3 may be the last update. I realize that you, as CPM, were probably under the belief it would be released. We were told that Rattati was not speaking with us, because he was in holed up working on 1.3. We were told that CCP already knew what was in 1.3, and when it would be released, implying that 1.3 was indeed coming. I am less concerned about the port being PC only, as we knew that was a possibility, or at least would start out that way, but why bother even allowing you to mention them working on 1.3 if they weren't absolutely certain they would release it? What better way to have salved the announcement than giving us one last update as a thanks for putting up with their sh*t. And lastly, I am curious as to what would constitute irrational behavior? As a community, we have largely been yanked around, rang out like a rag for money, and misled. That behavior, on the part of CCP, whether intentional or not, suggests a fundamental lack of respect for the player base. Why should anyone bother showing them the respect they have not shown us? In regards to 1.3, fate is a cruel mistress. CCP does not intentionally mislead players, they do not go out of their way to exploit them. Take that from me, of all people, and you might know that to be true. CCP goes a -long way- to making sure the highest respect for their player base with the current team (and they should not be held responsible for the sins of their predecessors). This announcement is evidence of that. They didn't wait for Fanfest for a big reveal, they didn't wait for E3 or some other marketing frenzy, they didn't go straight to the Eve players - they came to you first in a format you're most familiar. But most of all, they didn't have to. That courtesy has become expected of them when, as far as I know, they're the only non-indie developer that takes the time to engage their community and receive feedback on things that the community really isn't 100% necessary for. Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog Skype: nomistrav
Aeon Amadi 13	Posted - 2016.02.03 17:03:00 - [4] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: jNs Vit4l wrote: What happens with ur AUR? Do we get reimbursment or what? Do you get a refund for your milk when you buy a new gallon at the store? No offense, but you purchased something and got value for it; no refund incoming, I suspect. But that's ok - they plan to do something for the vets that move to the new game. A better example is having an 1987 model vehicle and getting a 2017 of the same model. There's only so much you're going to want to bring over, only so much that you can bring over. Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog Skype: nomistrav
Aeon Amadi 13	Posted - 2016.02.03 17:18:00 - [5] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: In regards to 1.3, fate is a cruel mistress. CCP does not intentionally mislead players, they do not go out of their way to exploit them. Take that from me, of all people, and you might know that to be true. CCP goes a -long way- to making sure the highest respect for their player base with the current team (and they should not be held responsible for the sins of their predecessors). This announcement is evidence of that. They didn't wait for Fanfest for a big reveal, they didn't wait for E3 or some other marketing frenzy, they didn't go straight to the Eve players - they came to you first in a format you're most familiar. But most of all, they didn't have to. That courtesy has become expected of them when, as far as I know, they're the only non-indie developer that takes the time to engage their community and receive feedback on things that the community really isn't 100% necessary for. I appreciate that they came here first, and that they didn't wait for FF (even if they had been working on this quite awhile, but I understand why they waited). What I can't understand, with all their caution in not wanting to say anything before something more concrete was in place, is why even discuss 1.3 and allow the CPM to mention they were working on it, if they weren't sure they were going to release it? And why, seeing as how they created an expectation of 1.3s release, they couldn't release it in some form or fashion as a thank you to the community. As it stands, there are a lot of people, who spent many hours not only playing the game, but arguing, creating spreadsheets, and even websites to help better the game, who as a whole helped with both Dust and indirectly Dust 2.0, who will not be in any way, shape, or form be able to reap any rewards for their efforts. 1.3 could have been both a "thank you" and "sorry you can't come with us, we value you" I dunno about you, but I generally don't eat pizza - regardless of how delicious it looks - after the cat sits on it. Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog Skype: nomistrav
Aeon Amadi 13	Posted - 2016.02.03 17:33:00 - [6] - Quote Chuckles Brown wrote: The saddest part is the CPM knew about this 3 weeks ago. Why not just tell the people right away, as they had the right to know. It's not like we were given much notice anyway. Were you afraid of losing your voluntary spot on on a sham council, on a game that has a definite expiration date? Sad, that all of you were puppets until the end. Speaking for myself, no, I was not afraid of losing the voluntary spot on the - ahem - "sham council" (that you guys elected me to). I'm afraid of losing my voluntary spot on a council when I can still do right by the people who put me in this position and, to date, have done so to the best of my ability. Thinking so short term is what gets a CPM in trouble. A council member needs to think about the longer-stretch and the end goal. You can't beat up over the community's "right to know" when they're going to know anyway from the source itself. It isn't worth risking what you can offer to the community six months, a year, maybe five years from now - even if they never notice the impact you made behind the scenes. Throwing all of that away just to come out and say, "Oh, by the way" not only risks your position to do greater things, but also ruins your reputation and credibility as well. Assuming anyone would have believed any of us -had- we come out and made this announcement ourselves before CCP was ready. And my time spent on the council has shown that it is absolutely worth maintaining that position to do right by you guys, even if you do come off as a little pissy every so often. Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog Skype: nomistrav
Aeon Amadi 13	Posted - 2016.02.03 17:51:00 - [7] - Quote Bethhy wrote: While i am glad CCP is continuing this IP...... I Feel it is absolutely stupid to be launching a FPS on PC when they sell Absolutely Terrible on PC.... by any industry standards and by any facts..... When Planetside 2 is more active on the PS4 then it is on PC... It should speak pretty loudly... CCP is shooting themselves in the foot before they even start the race..... Please consult with consulting firms and marketing firms before you guys go through with a PC only development.... I Would much rather see the product as a market success, rather then another Niche PC game offered in the dark corner of Steam. P.S. This account hasn't been active on DUST for over a year... I Care enough to come back and warn you. Care to supply some numbers and sources of those claims? Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog Skype: nomistrav
Aeon Amadi 13	Posted - 2016.02.03 18:58:00 - [8] - Quote Chuckles Brown wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Chuckles Brown wrote: The saddest part is the CPM knew about this 3 weeks ago. Why not just tell the people right away, as they had the right to know. It's not like we were given much notice anyway. Were you afraid of losing your voluntary spot on on a sham council, on a game that has a definite expiration date? Sad, that all of you were puppets until the end. Speaking for myself, no, I was not afraid of losing the voluntary spot on the - ahem - "sham council" (that you guys elected me to). I'm afraid of losing my voluntary spot on a council when I can still do right by the people who put me in this position and, to date, have done so to the best of my ability. Thinking so short term is what gets a CPM in trouble. A council member needs to think about the longer-stretch and the end goal. You can't beat up over the community's "right to know" when they're going to know anyway from the source itself. It isn't worth risking what you can offer to the community six months, a year, maybe five years from now - even if they never notice the impact you made behind the scenes. Throwing all of that away just to come out and say, "Oh, by the way" not only risks your position to do greater things, but also ruins your reputation and credibility as well. Assuming anyone would have believed any of us -had- we come out and made this announcement ourselves before CCP was ready. And my time spent on the council has shown that it is absolutely worth maintaining that position to do right by you guys, even if you do come off as a little pissy every so often. I'll try to remain as polite as possible, as you seem to be unfamiliar with quarterly projections and how accounting works for capital gain based companies. Your NDA agreement expires, and does not have any consequences or repercussions of consequence of a breach for yourself personally. The worst that could have happened to you; being thrown off a sham council on a game that's ending anyway. In short, you're a temp. You have 0 financial tie to the company. As it would pertain to the long term status of the council, again it has zero consequence. CCP, can choose to end CSM/CPM position and bodies at any point in time. As, they are are a quarterly based company, they are not concerned with long-term investments. Ruining the reputation of the CPM for future use would not matter, as CPMs have been removed from the council before and investigated for corruption already. Protecting the position means nothing as it can be eliminate without cause at any reason, because you are a temp. If you were to provide me evidence of you collecting data, or performing as a liaison to CCP development on behalf of the community; I'd gladly remove my label of you as a "puppet". Until then, you have betrayed the playerbase you pledged to represent to side with a company that has committed the last and ultimate disgrace to it's customers. I'll try to remain as polite as possible, as you seem to be unfamiliar with politics and design consultation. It has nothing to do with finances, projections, etc. At all. It has little to do with the long term status of the council (something I am a strong supporter of, even still). It has nothing to do with the reputation of the CPM "for future use" or the -TWO- removed CPM representatives to date, of which neither - to my knowledge - had any investigation for corruption, not that that is any of your business. And I am -not- protecting the "position". And if you want some of the data I've collected - as well as the other "puppets" on the "sham" council - I'll kindly point you in the direction of the Myofibril changes, the shield changes (that happened across ALL races and dropsuits), the immersion and lore feedback, etc etc etc. Your lack of research of the "data I've collected" does not constitute a responsibility for me to supply it to face baseless accusations of someone that, as far as I know, has not done much for the community themselves. That being said. My "position" on the CPM is more valuable long-term to provide design feedback on things that I know the players will find both enjoyable and engaging. Feedback that will make this new project worthwhile as a whole to the greater majority of our community as well as welcoming of new members therein. Feedback that I could not supply if I had violated my "temp agreement" with CCP to give you a whole three weeks notice. Good day, sir. Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog Skype: nomistrav
Aeon Amadi 13	Posted - 2016.02.03 19:16:00 - [9] - Quote Shredded Humans wrote: Damn that sucks. Well could we at least be informed of what platform it will be on? I have PS3 and PS4. I am not going to spend money on a PC just for one game if that is where are planning on moving it. It was fun while it lasted I guess. For all who ran with Unholy Hategore. peace out guys. It's been fun and frustrating at the same time. PC can do a hell of a lot more than just Dust 2.0 =P Get a PC for a PC, don't get it for Dust. Trust me, there are a lot of really cool games out for PC that you can't get on the consoles that make the investment worth while. Just don't look up **** on it and you'll be fine! Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog Skype: nomistrav
Aeon Amadi 13	Posted - 2016.02.04 00:28:00 - [10] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: oh wait **, iv not played shooters on PC for years... oh man I'm going to suck so hard.. does anyone know any good PC shooters while I wait for this new project to finish. god damit I'm going to have a buy a new rig too.... luckily I have a good few years to get ready if my alpha/beta experience of dust was anything to go by hehehehe I would strongly recommend Battlefield 3 or 4 as many of Dust 514's gameplay roots come from Battlefield. Galm Fae wrote: DiGreatDestroyer wrote:** BTW guys, dont push the 1.3 update issue Something tells me this is a very delicate issue, and Rattati and the CPM are very mad at how things turned out. Delicate issue? Delicate issue? Hell yeah it's a delicate issue, and I'd say we have full force and authority to push the issue so far up their rear end that it starts flowing out their throat like all the other crap they've been spewing about how Warlords 1.3 up to this point. I figure given how long they stringed us along we have more than a right to be salty about it. Even if people within CCP aren't happy about it either, the blame for it ultimately still falls on their department for being so incompetent. It's a lot like getting your child a birthday gift you know they're going to love and, for reasons beyond your control, not being able to at the last second. Worse yet, knowing they'll hate you for it. Pray that through your harsh words, you never have to experience it yourself. Skype: Nomistrav "Bastard at Heart"

Aeon Amadi 13	Posted - 2016.02.04 00:51:00 - [11] - Quote Night 5talker 514 wrote: As a PC player, this makes me happy... Time to save up for an epic desktop and begin YouTube videos of the game again! On a side note, could someone in CCP or CPM say whether it would be worth saving for VR headsets also? If it'll have that support I would be tempted to buy a virtuix omni, oculus rift and film myself for your amusement... and for the immersion. Genuinely excited for where they can now take this, looking forward to April. I seriously doubt it, if you want my honest opinion. Skype: Nomistrav "Bastard at Heart"
Aeon Amadi 13	Posted - 2016.02.04 01:43:00 - [12] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: It's a lot like getting your child a birthday gift you know they're going to love and, for reasons beyond your control, not being able to at the last second. Worse yet, knowing they'll hate you for it. Pray that through your harsh words, you never have to experience it yourself. Surely, if it were beyond their control, letting us know the reason(s) why 1.3 couldn't happen would go a long way towards not being so unhappy. Enough of us are sufficiently intelligent and reasonable that we would understand if it were something on Sony's end, or otherwise. I know they probably won't tell us, regardless if their reason is good or not, but it would be nice to know. Heh, if some of the tinfoil and accusational pandering in this thread are of any evidence, there aren't -enough- people that would be reasonable about it. Probably just detract and say "Oh well, yanno, CCP is stupid and can't do anything right" etc. But, will probably reinforce the desire to share with CCP anyway. Skype: Nomistrav "Bastard at Heart"
Aeon Amadi 13	Posted - 2016.02.04 20:53:00 - [13] - Quote Shredded Humans wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Shredded Humans wrote: Damn that sucks. Well could we at least be informed of what platform it will be on? I have PS3 and PS4. I am not going to spend money on a PC just for one game if that is where are planning on moving it. It was fun while it lasted I guess. For all who ran with Unholy Hategore. peace out guys. It's been fun and frustrating at the same time. PC can do a hell of a lot more than just Dust 2.0 =P Get a PC for a PC, don't get it for Dust. Trust me, there are a lot of really cool games out for PC that you can't get on the consoles that make the investment worth while. Just don't look up **** on it and you'll be fine! Well if I do decide to get one. What would be decent specs that don't cost an arm and a leg. Hit us up on Discord in the PCBUILDHELP channel. Best to get multiple opinions. Honestly, it is way too early to say anything (not that I could anyway) but best bet is to be able to run Battlefield 4 with decent FPS - which really isn't hard to do https://discordapp.com/invite/0o2qgQkvz7ZQPkiF Skype: Nomistrav "Bastard at Heart"

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