DUST Search - Announcement:The Future of DUST 514

CCP Rattati wrote:

One Eyed King wrote:

Kevall Longstride wrote:

I just wanted to highlight something from the OP.

This is a new game, built from stratch. As a result no one here should make assumptions about anything or everything making the transition from PS3 Dust to PC Dust. You'll be just setting yourselves up for disappointment or false expectations, something which this new game, I think we can all agree, doesn't need round it's neck on day one.

Zaria Min Deir wrote:

I can personally empathise with how many of the community will feel about this announcement, specifically the console only players. This evolution of the New Eden FPS will leave many of the loyal playerbase behind, and a lot of disappointment and even anger is justified in reaction to how all of this is and has been handled.

No matter how justified, taking that anger out with irrational behaviour on the forums or in game will not help anyone.

I hope the community can come together in a mature manner to discuss the issues and concerns that this announcement has raised, and that those of the community that are disappointed don't resent others celebrating the path CCP has chosen.

I think that we were already set up for disappointment by even thinking that 1.3 may be the last update.

I realize that you, as CPM, were probably under the belief it would be released.

We were told that Rattati was not speaking with us, because he was in holed up working on 1.3.

We were told that CCP already knew what was in 1.3, and when it would be released, implying that 1.3 was indeed coming.

I am less concerned about the port being PC only, as we knew that was a possibility, or at least would start out that way, but why bother even allowing you to mention them working on 1.3 if they weren't absolutely certain they would release it? What better way to have salved the announcement than giving us one last update as a thanks for putting up with their sh*t.

And lastly, I am curious as to what would constitute irrational behavior? As a community, we have largely been yanked around, rang out like a rag for money, and misled. That behavior, on the part of CCP, whether intentional or not, suggests a fundamental lack of respect for the player base. Why should anyone bother showing them the respect they have not shown us?

I am sad that you and some other feel that way. I can assure you that we worked hard on the 1.3 expansion, but for many reasons ended up not pushing it out to the players. All previous communication by Frame and myself about the feature was honest and not meant to give false hopes. Ultimately, in this industry, having a public and open dev roadmap can result in this situation, but I believe the good outweighs the bad.

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Soto Gallente 782	Posted - 2016.02.04 06:47:00 - [541] - Quote benandjerrys wrote: xavier zor IV wrote: Quick, rattati's here. Throw a masterball before he runs again! He's like the legendary birds in Pok+¬mon x & y. Ya gotta encounter him a billjillion times before he finally squats somewhere and pecks. I consider myself to be a legendary bird. Unfortunately I can't fly... Ex-news reporter for The Scope
benandjerrys WarRavens Imperium Eden 1	Posted - 2016.02.04 06:49:00 - [542] - Quote Soto Gallente wrote: benandjerrys wrote: xavier zor IV wrote: Quick, rattati's here. Throw a masterball before he runs again! He's like the legendary birds in Pok+¬mon x & y. Ya gotta encounter him a billjillion times before he finally squats somewhere and pecks. I consider myself to be a legendary bird. Unfortunately I can't fly... We all know you're a starter. The butthurt is strong #bringbackjadek
Soto Gallente 785	Posted - 2016.02.04 06:50:00 - [543] - Quote benandjerrys wrote: Soto Gallente wrote: benandjerrys wrote: xavier zor IV wrote: Quick, rattati's here. Throw a masterball before he runs again! He's like the legendary birds in Pok+¬mon x & y. Ya gotta encounter him a billjillion times before he finally squats somewhere and pecks. I consider myself to be a legendary bird. Unfortunately I can't fly... We all know you're a starter. Ex-news reporter for The Scope
General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Top Men. 1	Posted - 2016.02.04 06:58:00 - [544] - Quote I havent owned a PS3 in years and thus not played in ages. I want to know what EXACTLY will happen to my character and stuff.I still have arum and boosters, losing those would make me rather upset. I've been waiting patiently for the game to either move to PC or PS4 and now i dont know what will happen. Rather worried personally. People put a TON of time and effort into this game because they love the EVE universe. These "tiered rewards" better be on a 1 to 1 ratio for everything a person put into this game if you are killing it. CBT bittervet. ex-capsuleer heavy extraordinaire I'd play but i no longer have a PS3.
Celus Ivara DUST University Ivy League 447	Posted - 2016.02.04 07:02:00 - [545] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: One Eyed King wrote: snip I am sad that you and some other feel that way. I can assure you that we worked hard on the 1.3 expansion, but for many reasons ended up not pushing it out to the players. All previous communication by Frame and myself about the feature was honest and not meant to give false hopes. Ultimately, in this industry, having a public and open dev roadmap can result in this situation, but I believe the good outweighs the bad. ^This. Please keep the plans and the communication as open as possible. Yes, doing so will cause occasional rage and over-reaction, but it is the only way to prevent far worse issues down the road. #PortDust514
Justice Darling Horizons' Edge 171	Posted - 2016.02.04 07:02:00 - [546] - Quote Shley Ashes wrote: So yeah Dust is really dying and all, ( Long live Dust etc ) three questions really 1) Will there be anything at Fanfest dedicated to this new game ? 2) Are we likely to see this new game this year ? 3) Why not the 14th May ? (sorry, to clarify on end date) 1: It will be less then 5 mins and barely talked about if that (aka no real details), kind of like they did last time, as someone in CCP love to jump the gun on thing! 2: Early stage, meaning that junk they showed off 2 yrs ago, they made a little bigger and added a building or more, maybe some guns! 3: Why not on the last day of May, sounds like that is when the contract is up with PSN! all you had to do was this! I wonder how long it will take PSN to take that pic of yours down from that page! Really from the first time they said anything about the other game, the death of dust was just a matter of time, I lost lots of m8s over it and the PR on Dust really CCP don't let your CEO talk to the press any more about games he clearly can care less about, hire a PR person please, name him CCP PRS = CCP public relations specialist <-- for those that need thing spelled out for them. It's like my mother always told me! Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana , and codeine and god dammed it, you little mother!
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1	Posted - 2016.02.04 07:03:00 - [547] - Quote It's been a very long time since I've logged in. I figured I might as well say my last good-byes. This game was one of the best experiences I have ever had in gaming and I'll never forget the wonderful people I've met here, even if most of them are long gone and will never read this. The community of dust was one of, if not the best communities I've ever been a part of and it is a shame that we are being forcefully separated. This community formed me into who I am now as a gamer and I know that even after this game dies I will remember all of you. Thank you all for making this the best experience I have ever had in gaming. It's time for us to move on now, but I will never forget this community, or the wonderful memories I've had with you all. I love every one of you. o7
General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Top Men. 1	Posted - 2016.02.04 07:04:00 - [548] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: Juno Tristan wrote: Something is better than nothing, will there be a beta? (with early access to dust mercs) Again I don't want to answer for CCP because that's their job not mine. But I hope it'll similar to how the did it in the past with Dust and how they're doing it for Valkyrie. i remember trying to get into the beta for dust 514. please no. nononono! that damned strategy game was hell CBT bittervet. ex-capsuleer heavy extraordinaire I'd play but i no longer have a PS3.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1	Posted - 2016.02.04 07:11:00 - [549] - Quote Another thing. A long time ago I remember watching a video discussing dust. Back in the day CCP wanted to port Eve to console so that console players could enjoy the game just as PC players did. When they couldn't get the controls right they decided to make a shooter. A game that would allow for console players to connect with PC players. The entire reason for Dust's existence was for console players to have a way to interact with the eve universe, and now that purpose is gone. It is sad to see something with such great intentions being shut down and removing console players from the eve universe forever. Goodbye CCP, and good luck. I hope those of you who move to PC will truly enjoy what Dust 514 becomes.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1	Posted - 2016.02.04 07:11:00 - [550] - Quote ..

AndyAndio 0uter.Heaven 346	Posted - 2016.02.04 07:26:00 - [551] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: CCPGÇÖs development team in Shanghai has been working on a prototype for a first-person shooter for PC with the goal of building a great FPS set in our sci-fi universe of New Eden bruh, you failed hard on PS3 with almost no competition, but you guys think you can compete on PC? hilarious... and thats if the prototype doesnt crash and burn like Legion, fun times.- 2013 DUST 514's MVP of the Year Retired for love of the game.-
JDEZ09 Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 205	Posted - 2016.02.04 07:32:00 - [552] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: Dear DUST 514 Community, CCPGÇÖs development team in Shanghai has been working on a prototype for a first-person shooter for PC with the goal of building a great FPS set in our sci-fi universe of New Eden (the universe in which EVE Online, DUST 514, EVE: Valkyrie, and Gunjack are set). Their experience is being utilized to build a new game from scratch using Unreal Engine 4 while harnessing all our learnings from DUST 514. This is in many ways an evolution of Project Legion, the concept we announced at EVE Fanfest 2014, but without the limitations of technical debt and development paths we quickly discovered in that effort that could never serve as a future-proof technology base for a full production game. This new project is still in an early phase of production, and we feel like weGÇÖre on the right track and plan to give an update at EVE Fanfest on April 21st as a part of the free livestream of the event. Since this new game will be different from DUST 514 (although keeping many of its great parts), we will provide tiered recognition rewards to our loyal DUST customers, details to be announced. We are very proud of what weGÇÖve learned and accomplished with DUST 514 on PlayStation 3 over the past three years and it is an honor to be a part of such a dedicated community. We consider DUST 514 one of the best free-to-play offerings on the platform, but the years have caught up with us. It is with a heavy heart that we inform you that DUST 514 will be shutting down on May 30th, 2016. We therefore will not be releasing the 1.3 update as we had planned. Players will continue to be able to play for free on our servers until then, but all further PSN packs and purchases have been removed and disabled from the in-game marketplace and the PlayStation Store. Players with existing Aurum will be able to continue to purchase items from the in-game marketplace. Thank you for being a part of DUST 514 on the PlayStation 3. We look forward to the next chapter, and hope youGÇÖll be a part of it and continue the journey with us. I respect you guy's decision to focus on the PC. Ive been a console only gamer for the past 6 years, prior to.. I was big starcraft fan. Which lets me know one thing is certain. You guys are ready to take Dust (legion) very serious. You want it to be a premiere title. One that attracts events, competition, and other ESports. I think of Starcraft as the perfect computer game. It has survived in a genre that has perished all around it. It thrived into a game with a fanbase that developers could only dream of. Your game IS going to be soo good that people will buy gaming rigs just to play it. I know that through your tech demos from last year, what yall are aiming for is top tier quality. That is what we want, as consumers. If it is PC only, make it as ambitious as your imagination could ever reach. As massive as the New Eden universe. Make me want to buy a PC to play it right away. Make me get carpel tunnel again from playing it so much when I am not busy. As for Dust, it should go out with a bang We need to have a final esports style tournament, be it at fanfest or other contracts. We should all play our violins as this titanic sinks into its impending oblivion. And I will run my Frames Ck.0s and Rattati's Gk.0s untill the wheels fall off. #ItsMAGAllOverAgain
steadyhand amarr shadows of 514 3	Posted - 2016.02.04 07:51:00 - [553] - Quote What does 514 mean. I mean I understand other people anger and sadness right now. But the only real question I care about is What does 514 mean....please tteeeelllll mmmmmeeeee I am among the 1st of my kind, and i will never forget. no empire lasts forever and i have all the time in the world.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 12	Posted - 2016.02.04 07:56:00 - [554] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: What does 514 mean. I mean I understand other people anger and sadness right now. But the only real question I care about is What does 514 mean....please tteeeelllll mmmmmeeeee It's the number of burritos they found stashed in various compatments of my capsuleer's ships. One was over three years old! Imagine a gigantic, shiny bug zapper. Embrace your destiny.
jonny battles Random Gunz The-Office 150	Posted - 2016.02.04 08:10:00 - [555] - Quote AndyAndio wrote: CCP Frame wrote: CCPGÇÖs development team in Shanghai has been working on a prototype for a first-person shooter for PC with the goal of building a great FPS set in our sci-fi universe of New Eden bruh, you failed hard on PS3 with almost no competition, but you guys think you can compete on PC? hilarious... and thats if the prototype doesnt crash and burn like Legion, fun times.- It was just that easy
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 12	Posted - 2016.02.04 08:23:00 - [556] - Quote One would hope people had something better to say than empty-quoting personal attack/insult posts. Imagine a gigantic, shiny bug zapper. Embrace your destiny.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit 2	Posted - 2016.02.04 08:27:00 - [557] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Kevall Longstride wrote: I just wanted to highlight something from the OP. This is a new game, built from stratch. As a result no one here should make assumptions about anything or everything making the transition from PS3 Dust to PC Dust. You'll be just setting yourselves up for disappointment or false expectations, something which this new game, I think we can all agree, doesn't need round it's neck on day one. Zaria Min Deir wrote: I can personally empathise with how many of the community will feel about this announcement, specifically the console only players. This evolution of the New Eden FPS will leave many of the loyal playerbase behind, and a lot of disappointment and even anger is justified in reaction to how all of this is and has been handled. No matter how justified, taking that anger out with irrational behaviour on the forums or in game will not help anyone. I hope the community can come together in a mature manner to discuss the issues and concerns that this announcement has raised, and that those of the community that are disappointed don't resent others celebrating the path CCP has chosen. I think that we were already set up for disappointment by even thinking that 1.3 may be the last update. I realize that you, as CPM, were probably under the belief it would be released. We were told that Rattati was not speaking with us, because he was in holed up working on 1.3. We were told that CCP already knew what was in 1.3, and when it would be released, implying that 1.3 was indeed coming. I am less concerned about the port being PC only, as we knew that was a possibility, or at least would start out that way, but why bother even allowing you to mention them working on 1.3 if they weren't absolutely certain they would release it? What better way to have salved the announcement than giving us one last update as a thanks for putting up with their sh*t. And lastly, I am curious as to what would constitute irrational behavior? As a community, we have largely been yanked around, rang out like a rag for money, and misled. That behavior, on the part of CCP, whether intentional or not, suggests a fundamental lack of respect for the player base. Why should anyone bother showing them the respect they have not shown us? I am sad that you and some other feel that way. I can assure you that we worked hard on the 1.3 expansion, but for many reasons ended up not pushing it out to the players. All previous communication by Frame and myself about the feature was honest and not meant to give false hopes. Ultimately, in this industry, having a public and open dev roadmap can result in this situation, but I believe the good outweighs the bad. Just to satisfy my curiosity... what was supposed to be in 1.3? And will that stuff be in the new game? I mean you are probably aware, that the community currently wants to get every information they can about the new project. A project which I'm looking forward to btw. I had to leave my PS3 behind 10 months ago (will be with it again sometime in April) and was always sad, that I am not able to play Dust in that time. In my opinion a PC version should've come sooner anyways. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
hold that Capital Acquisitions LLC 833	Posted - 2016.02.04 09:16:00 - [558] - Quote stay free dust players, how you didn't see this last year is mind-boggling. i hope you find a way to get your money refunded for every purchase made after the 11th as the cpm was aware about the shut down. i'm not talking sht as i played this game for nearly three years straight; hold that one of the best logis.
Shaun Iwairo Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd. 440	Posted - 2016.02.04 09:22:00 - [559] - Quote The amount of salt in this thread is amazing. Complaining about losing the pixels and database entries you 'worked' for. Demanding CCP position themselves as some sort of investment bank for your microtransaction cash. I had fun earning my SP and I'm going to have fun earning it again. I only spent my play money on Aurum and I'll do the same again. Something is killing new player retention.
steadyhand amarr shadows of 514 3	Posted - 2016.02.04 09:29:00 - [560] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: What does 514 mean. I mean I understand other people anger and sadness right now. But the only real question I care about is What does 514 mean....please tteeeelllll mmmmmeeeee It's the number of burritos they found stashed in various compatments of my capsuleer's ships. One was over three years old! Lols :p But really comon iv been trying to figure this out since alpha im at the point that I might fly over to Iceland and stalk the Devs until they tell me. Iceland a small country I can do it easily >.< I am among the 1st of my kind, and i will never forget. no empire lasts forever and i have all the time in the world.

ZiwZih Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative 405	Posted - 2016.02.04 09:38:00 - [561] - Quote JOIN IN MY CORP? o7 :'( FREJMO++ENIME~~
Shaun Iwairo Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd. 440	Posted - 2016.02.04 09:42:00 - [562] - Quote ZiwZih wrote: JOIN IN MY CORP? o7 :'( Is that you Zam? Something is killing new player retention.
4lbert Wesker Intara Direct Action Caldari State 592	Posted - 2016.02.04 09:45:00 - [563] - Quote Dust was the reason why I bought PS3, Dust was first FPS i EVER played on any console and it was hard to get used on aiming with controller but love for Dust were pushing me forward... I am happy with this annoucement because I own both gaming PC and PS4 and I already alerted my bro and 2 other friends about porting this game on a PC. I think all these lolvets will be asskicked from a BF/CS vets like myself :) WESKER S.T.A.R.S. is not my corporation!
ZiwZih Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative 405	Posted - 2016.02.04 09:47:00 - [564] - Quote Shaun Iwairo wrote: ZiwZih wrote: JOIN IN MY CORP? o7 :'( Is that you Zam? Nah, Zam is too space important to get on the ground. FREJMO++ENIME~~
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Imperium Eden 4	Posted - 2016.02.04 10:25:00 - [565] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: Speaking of regrets - i just realized this thread needed a bottle of Bushmills 15 pages ago "That's Protestant Whiskey!" Still don't know how to feel overall. I can't not get the sense that "information was delayed for monetary reasons" but we would think that if we were told a year ago; "why didn't you tell us sooner?!" It is like having a problem with a piece of legislation and only saying "it needs to be better" without saying what the hell that means. However, I appreciate the fact that this was told here on the forums. Feels adequate that the players 'hear' first rather than in front of the entire world. It certainly makes it a lot less of a fustercluck. I wonder if the CPM had something to do with that fact, like CCP would have just waited for FanFest. Will probably never know. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Ten-Sidhe 548	Posted - 2016.02.04 10:26:00 - [566] - Quote I've been here since merc pack allowed access to get in closed beta and bought second ps3 when 1rst died and made it to brigadier in loyalty rank. Best FPS I ever played, and corps here were great. I played eve pretty much solo, but worked my way up a great corp here (under name Sophia Borjia I was press secretary of Hellstorm through the ups and downs of PC release) My thoughts on carry over 1)skins are safe to let us keep 2)bpo unless eve style should only be skins 3)unspent aur should carry over, unspent isk should not 4)Holo girl agent in some form 5)Skill points are tricky, people invested time and aur in grind and boosters, but new players would be disadvantaged on day one to much. Boosters and skill point caps are one thing that seem probable to be in new game in some form, so my suggestion is a "vet booster" Take the vets skill points and divide by 3, this would be a pool of skill points given back over time either as 50% bonus on points earned and/or when normal cap is exceeded. Nobody could complain about losing aur, since the only persistent things aur buys are sp from boosters, skins/bpo, and the agent holo girl. 6)Names of players/corps seem a given if anything carries over. 7)faction standings, they may not do the same thing, but surly a new eden game will have standings. Thank You CCP, I loved the game you made. I cried when I read announcement, but in long run it will hopefully be the best for this facet of New Eden. Now I just hope I'll have a pc with specs to play it, fingers crossed.
Nero QSR TOMBSTONE XIII 77	Posted - 2016.02.04 10:34:00 - [567] - Quote I feel i've bin dumped by my first true love Thx for the experience any how! I'M A PROUD ADDICT!!!!!!!!
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 7	Posted - 2016.02.04 11:14:00 - [568] - Quote I was planning to buy a gaming PC this summer anyway. At this point what I really care about is that I can transfer the names Fox Gaden and Crash Gaden to this new game. Even if it requires creating an account in the new game and putting in a ticket. My Corp is run by an EVE character and will thus continue to exist. I am hoping there is a connection between the games to allow me to use this Corp in the new game. If not, I hope that I can put in a ticket to shut down the Corp in EVE in order to use the name for a Corp in the new game. (Although I would love to change my Ticker, it sucks) Some recognition of DUST 514 Vets in the new game would be very appreciated. It should probably be cosmetic only and not give an actual advantage. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 1	Posted - 2016.02.04 11:18:00 - [569] - Quote This news fills me with both sadness and joy. Sadness for my favourite game going to the grave... A game that have kept me from switching on my PS4 many times. Sadness for 1.3 never going to see the day of light... Both from a community standpoint (going out with a bang), but especially for the Devs and CCP Rattati who worked their ass off to make it happen, but never reached the goal. (I am working in the software business myself, I know from personal experience this sucks...really really bad) But knowing a FPS in New Eden is in the works makes up for all of the above. When they announced Legion and said they were going to use the same modified Unreal 3 engine as Dust514, I have never screamed Nooooooo (Darth Vader's voice) so hard at my screen before. Very glad they start from scratch! My only worry is that the new game will only share universe with EVE, but no actual interaction (like Valkyrie). The game need more interaction, not less, and the foundation need to placed from the start to allow this. This is not something you can add later, (as we saw with Dust). My 2 ISK To the Devs I just want to say this; Thank you for the amazing journey, all the way from closed beta! And a special thank you to CCP Rattati! We don't call you Dust Jesus and Saviour for nothing you know I really hope you stay on for the next journey!
Happy Violentime 1	Posted - 2016.02.04 11:20:00 - [570] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Tech De Ra wrote: Maybe in the PC version we can get some tournament tools so caz can't cheat with his version of the rules :^) Lol, wtf dude ? We never cheated though i'll admit i m a huge sore loser We know you're a sore loser, hell you even no showed the beta tourney semis so as not to get face-rolled



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