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SLADE8U
Second-Nature Shadow of Dust
25
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Posted - 2016.02.03 18:13:00 -
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DARTH CARBON, please stop posting after drinking the CCP kool-aid! You are going to make me vomit with your company man assumptions and knowledge.
Members aka die hard Dust players, Before you go out and purchase or build a $500 - $2000 gaming PC for the game we love consider CCP's announcement credibe history and their company finances. So they are starting to build a game(not dust) from scratch without posting a completion date. Therefore, like legion it may never get completed. Also looking at the logistics of where(Shanghai,China) it is being worked on I can only imagine how the game will turn out compared to what players in the Americas(biggest player base) would like. CCP won't even commit to transferring your characters because they really don't know if the game will be completed or if it will allow such a transfer. CCP doesn't even post their financial statements on their website. In Iceland the public has to pay a fee to get a company's financial records but you would think a company that was proud of its products and future projected earnings would post it for everyone to see. Now also keep in mind that CCP is a privately owned company and not any stock exchange. It was reported that CCP did not payout company stock dividends to anyone in 2015. It doesn't sound like the decision not to go IPO worked out at all in 2015 for the employee private stock holders. The way CCP continues to operate or fund new projects is through revenue and loans from investors. So basically what that means is once an investor loan runs out(example: july 2016) they have to find a new investor or hope they get a renewal. Companies like EA, Activision Blizzard have billion dollar market caps because they are a public corporation on the stock market and as you know don't have issues making money or cool products for consoles. None of CCP's original founders are still at the company. Here is a link to CCP's latest finances and a spin on it from a blogger. http://marketsforisk.blogspot.co.uk/p/ccp-2014-financial-statements.html
I love this game but I am disgusted with CCP announcements and lack of credibility as a company. Nothing was committed to in writing in the original post from them at the top of this thread. It's just out with the old plan and in with the new plan and who knows if it will ever get properly funded and completed. At some point you would hope that someone at CCP would come up with a plan for a new console version of Dust that would certainly make them a ton of money and crush the existing arcade like FPS games. Console limits, certificates , sony, microsoft etc. are not valid excuses not to go to consoles if you worked harder to resolve those issues and followed through with valid plan statements.
CCP please feel free to correct my statements above it was only a few minutes of research before I came to my senses on a cpu purchase. However, with a history of posts and the holding back of your plans it doesn't take long to figure out we are possibly being snowed again. Thank you, Slade
"EVERYBODY HAS A PLAN UNTIL THEY GET PUNCHED IN THE MOUTH!"
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Echo 1991
warravens Imperium Eden
1
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Posted - 2016.02.03 18:14:00 -
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Kevall Longstride wrote:People have asked about these 'Tiered Rewards' and what is going to transfer to the new game. The CPM have given their thoughts on this obviously and we hope that the discussion between you and the Dev's on this will happen soon.
Now as to my opinion on the matter and it is only my opinion, my thinking is as follows.
Name carried over is number one priority Corps and your Corp history is the second.
After that, everything is just gravy.
SP, I'd like maybe a head start on players coming to the game new. But I'm not going to sulk if I have to start from scratch.
ISK? Please..... After the glut of it that came from PC1.0 and district farming... kill it all with fire as far as I'm concerned. Start the economy fresh.
AUR. If AUR is to continue as a currency option in Nu Dust and I've got some unspent, then obviously that needs to come over as well. But AURUM refunds like some have asked about... not bothered. I've received the benefit of that AUR via SP boosters and AUR gear so t's not like I didn't get anything for that.
BPO's and Skins. Now I've got an extensive collection of these and yes I did say that I've received the benefits of my Aurum purchases but I'd like something to show for that collection. But obviously BPO's as we know them might not carry over to the new game. So I'll need to see whats on offer about them. Not fussed about isk, not incredibly fussed about SP. I am concerned that I won't get my skins and Aurum that I've used, while I'm not expecting everything, I would like to know what I'm getting.
So any news on that would be great.
Change the Ion Pistol Fitting Skill Pls.
#PortDust514
'Echo is a dirty hooker' - UnclS2
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ROEG X
LEVEL 5 SAVAGE
111
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Posted - 2016.02.03 18:15:00 -
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Derpty Derp wrote:ID G4f wrote:I stayed when my friends left, and argued our character's had a future, frame promised character transfers after the rouge wedding & i stuck it out. If my character transfers onto the pc dust, i will be there, but if I lose everything then I will not be starting over. I have spent hundreds on this game because I was told it would be perpetual like wow, or eve. Please do not kill my effort. If you kill us mow, nobody will trust the next iteration of the game and invest money, simply because it is implied it will be wasted. Please prove my faith in you valid by announcing character transfers. If they transfer too much and give a massive advantage to some, then we'll have the whole lack of balance right from the start in the new game... As much as possible needs to be wiped clean... I'll miss my dropships and my tanks, but it'll be better to have a balanced playing field. Also Dust lasted a decent time for a console game... You paid for that, not for all future releases by CCP, anything they do is better than what they are required to do.
That grind was a investment Derpty Derp is right. Time and money is wasted. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
5
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Posted - 2016.02.03 18:15:00 -
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This post... I have to say brings a smile to my face. CCP finally did it huh.
Laurent Cazaderon wrote: You farmed experience and money from people you simply excluded from the future of the game.
^ This is the truest statement anyone has made on this post. All you people trying to find a positive about this are spinning an absolutely unacceptable act from CCP. The fact that you can defend a company that took your money for YEARS, and then spit in your face after should be enough to tell you that they never cared about you, or the integrity of their game.
I was here from early beta days, and like most people, thought this game had potential, but man were we wrong in assuming CCP can actually reach that potential. They sold us lies after lies, and we bought it all hope because we were blinded by "what ifs". Well this finally put an exclamation on what I knew CCP thought about the console community.
Maybe they're keeping it a surprise, but I suspect they'll bring it over to PS4... I mean why not? I'm sure they made a decent chunk of change from 80+ million PS3s in the wild, but if they do... will you actually support them again? Will you reward their behaviour by giving them more? If so, them this is a perfect example of a symbiotic relationship designed for the blind.
Good luck to you all if you continue to follow the bread crumbs CCP is leaving you.
( ._.) <('.'<)
"There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
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Forlorn Destrier
Incorruptibles
3
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Posted - 2016.02.03 18:16:00 -
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Richard Sebire wrote:I will purposely stay away from any software or game you release henceforth. You took our money and have run... Well done to you all at CCP I hope more of your monuments get vandalised and Eve also has its reputation tarnished by this. Fail and go bankrupt CCP Disgraceful
Your kindly Richard
Do you feel the same way about other products that are discontinued? Would you decide to stop buying Proctor & Gambles owned shampoos if they stopped making one you liked?
I am the Forgotten Warhorse, a Lord of Lightning
I am Havok, Incorruptible
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ash walker420
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2016.02.03 18:16:00 -
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This is a travesty how can you say that dust 514 is the best fps offered on psn then in the same post say that were being shut down. I have only been playing dust for about 8 months it has been the greatest fps I have ever played. It saddens me to my core to see how many long time players are just laying down and going to take this. To date with my 3 different player accounts I have spent over 600 dollar's on arum to enhance my playing experience and this morning I get told its all for nothing your no longer going to be able to sign in after may 30th THIS IS BULL$#!T and I hope something is done about it but I know nothing will ppl are to content to be walked over and ground into the dirt and say thank you sir may I have another. I'm sickened to see how this is playing out at this point I will no longer praise ccp or EVER spend another dime on anything ccp is involved in. If more players were to stand up and unite agenst corporate bulling like this they would have to keep our game alive. But I digress its been a blast and I know there will never be a game to fill this hole that ccp has just torn in my heart so to conclude please don't kill our game have compassion for your counsle players ............. Right like that's going to happen. |
Brahma El Indio
KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion.
181
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Posted - 2016.02.03 18:16:00 -
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JIMvc2 wrote:Brahma El Indio wrote:Bethhy wrote:When Planetside 2 is more active on the PS4 then it is on PC... Not true. PS2 on PS4 has only 2 servers left. PC has 5 regional servers plus an events server. PC PS2 community, while it has shrunk, is still alive and well and a lot larger than on PS4. Oh ok. Is that why the other two big pieces of land are locked? When I downloaded PS2 it said closed beta = mmm idk if its true. The game was fun but as a new player it was plain confusing that I deleted the game.
No. They are locked continents and can be locked for lack of overall population or if a faction captured them during normal gameplay.
It is a daunting game for new players.
I think I saw a post about the download issue on our forums.
If you ever need any guidance on PS2 post the questions on our forums as there are a number of very experienced players who can assist. |
THE BUTTONPUSHER
Grand Design Inc.
0
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Posted - 2016.02.03 18:16:00 -
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I've only been on for 4 months, spent quite bit of money for Aurum. regardless if I used it to buy boosters, weapons etc... I was trying to level up to play this game to not even get a year out of it. I'm not going to lie I feel taken advantage of, there was no future, but hey took my money. I only have a PS3, That's just not right... |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
5
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Posted - 2016.02.03 18:18:00 -
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THE BUTTONPUSHER wrote:I've only been on for 4 months, spent quite bit of money for Aurum. regardless if I used it to buy boosters, weapons etc... I was trying to level up to play this game to not even get a year out of it. I'm not going to lie I feel taken advantage of, there was no future, but hey took my money. I only have a PS3, That's just not right...
So, just to clarify things here, CCP knew they're closing up shop on PS3, but are still selling AUR?
( ._.) <('.'<)
"There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
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Forlorn Destrier
Incorruptibles
3
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Posted - 2016.02.03 18:19:00 -
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Soto Gallente wrote:Richard Sebire wrote:I will purposely stay away from any software or game you release henceforth. You took our money and have run... Well done to you all at CCP I hope more of your monuments get vandalised and Eve also has its reputation tarnished by this. Fail and go bankrupt CCP Disgraceful
Your kindly Richard Uh, no they didn't. The money they got from us was used wisely and they are using it so that even though the game may not survive, the idea and the concept will survive onto another game. CCP never betrayed us.
Truth.
I am the Forgotten Warhorse, a Lord of Lightning
I am Havok, Incorruptible
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Espla El espia
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2016.02.03 18:19:00 -
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I haven't posted on the forums or consistently played DUST 514, but I wanted to speak my mind--
Devs, you've done a wonderful job. Truly, the game I see today is nothing like the game at release. You worked fast, hard, learned a lot, and most of all I feel like - as a player - I was being spoken to. There's none of this "we changed a value by %" that players have to test intensively to verify the changes, you gave us glorious spreadsheets, you talked to us about usage and damage dealt/taken, etc...
I am proud to say that I still have a PS3 to play DUST 514 once and a while, and I look forwards to what you will bring to us in the future because my Destiny with FPS games lies not with Bungie, but with you :) |
Forlorn Destrier
Incorruptibles
3
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Posted - 2016.02.03 18:19:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:THE BUTTONPUSHER wrote:I've only been on for 4 months, spent quite bit of money for Aurum. regardless if I used it to buy boosters, weapons etc... I was trying to level up to play this game to not even get a year out of it. I'm not going to lie I feel taken advantage of, there was no future, but hey took my money. I only have a PS3, That's just not right... So, just to clarify things here, CCP knew they're closing up shop on PS3, but are still selling AUR?
No, they specifically said that they disabled any future purchases for real money, but that you can still spend any AUR you already have.
I am the Forgotten Warhorse, a Lord of Lightning
I am Havok, Incorruptible
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Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
2
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Posted - 2016.02.03 18:21:00 -
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Planetside 2 will have base building pretty soon, and the gun game is tight.
Today is an amazing day. Thanks CCP for making sure everyone finally understands what kind of company you truly are!
CCP Explained
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Drake JOHN3244
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
104
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Posted - 2016.02.03 18:21:00 -
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After the game will close I will cry
You think you're good ?
Face me in the battlefield !!!!!!!! :))
Port Dust 514
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Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
5
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Posted - 2016.02.03 18:22:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:THE BUTTONPUSHER wrote:I've only been on for 4 months, spent quite bit of money for Aurum. regardless if I used it to buy boosters, weapons etc... I was trying to level up to play this game to not even get a year out of it. I'm not going to lie I feel taken advantage of, there was no future, but hey took my money. I only have a PS3, That's just not right... So, just to clarify things here, CCP knew they're closing up shop on PS3, but are still selling AUR? No, they specifically said that they disabled any future purchases for real money, but that you can still spend any AUR you already have.
Good guys CCP then
( ._.) <('.'<)
"There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
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ROEG X
LEVEL 5 SAVAGE
111
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Posted - 2016.02.03 18:25:00 -
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ash walker420 wrote:This is a travesty how can you say that dust 514 is the best fps offered on psn then in the same post say that were being shut down. I have only been playing dust for about 8 months it has been the greatest fps I have ever played. It saddens me to my core to see how many long time players are just laying down and going to take this. To date with my 3 different player accounts I have spent over 600 dollar's on arum to enhance my playing experience and this morning I get told its all for nothing your no longer going to be able to sign in after may 30th THIS IS BULL$#!T and I hope something is done about it but I know nothing will ppl are to content to be walked over and ground into the dirt and say thank you sir may I have another. I'm sickened to see how this is playing out at this point I will no longer praise ccp or EVER spend another dime on anything ccp is involved in. If more players were to stand up and unite agenst corporate bulling like this they would have to keep our game alive. But I digress its been a blast and I know there will never be a game to fill this hole that ccp has just torn in my heart so to conclude please don't kill our game have compassion for your counsle players ............. Right like that's going to happen.
I agree but I know now why they never moved the game over to PlayStation 4 and it was because they were going to milk the console community to fuel their next project ! CCP is a PC development team. I saw it coming years ago. |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
3
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Posted - 2016.02.03 18:29:00 -
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Gottlieb Daimler wrote: You have no clue what you're talking about.
Like it or not FPS games don't sell well on PC....
Here is a Dual Shockers article going over the numbers.... http://www.dualshockers.com/2014/03/24/sony-claims-success-for-ps4-and-ps3-in-the-free-to-play-market/
F2p Developers get more active users on Console... Have Higher conversion rates. And far larger revenue outcomes.
I Would rather see this IP become a success, that brings new players into the EVE universe that would not have been there otherwise. |
Warbot X
Forsaken.Titans
7
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Posted - 2016.02.03 18:30:00 -
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well what abouts those peoples don't have a good pc to play dust on pc
SINGH IS KING!
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Forlorn Destrier
Incorruptibles
3
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Posted - 2016.02.03 18:32:00 -
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Warbot X wrote:well what abouts those peoples don't have a good pc to play dust on pc
What about people that don't have the cash to buy a 2016 car? Is that the manufacturer's fault?
Is it Microsoft's fault you can't run Windows 10 on a 10 year old computer?
Etc.
I am the Forgotten Warhorse, a Lord of Lightning
I am Havok, Incorruptible
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Thurak Mirunas
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2016.02.03 18:32:00 -
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Not played dust in a long time, due to losing access to a decent screen and the small screen I had left did not have any space for a keyboard infront of it. Would love to be able to play on my PC, and as its Unreal 4... Linux support plz? |
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Soto Gallente
702
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Posted - 2016.02.03 18:33:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Gottlieb Daimler wrote: You have no clue what you're talking about.
Like it or not FPS games don't sell well on PC.... Here is a Dual Shockers article going over the numbers.... http://www.dualshockers.com/2014/03/24/sony-claims-success-for-ps4-and-ps3-in-the-free-to-play-market/F2p Developers get more active users on Console... Have Higher conversion rates. And far larger revenue outcomes. I Would rather see this IP become a success, that brings new players into the EVE universe that would not have been there otherwise. Explain CSGO for me please.
Ex-news reporter for The Scope
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Cronar Stenovich
Booty Loops Inc.
19
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Posted - 2016.02.03 18:34:00 -
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My wife will be so happy, all this extra time I'll have. CCP should max out ISK and SP so everyone can enjoy endgame for a month. 100m SP for all! |
Soto Gallente
702
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Posted - 2016.02.03 18:34:00 -
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Thurak Mirunas wrote:Not played dust in a long time, due to losing access to a decent screen and the small screen I had left did not have any space for a keyboard infront of it. Would love to be able to play on my PC, and as its Unreal 4... Linux support plz? Yes, this guy gets it. I have a linux OS.
Ex-news reporter for The Scope
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
19
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Posted - 2016.02.03 18:36:00 -
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Chuckles Brown wrote:
I'll try to remain as polite as possible, as you seem to be unfamiliar with quarterly projections and how accounting works for capital gain based companies.
Your NDA agreement expires, and does not have any consequences or repercussions of consequence of a breach for yourself personally. The worst that could have happened to you; being thrown off a sham council on a game that's ending anyway. In short, you're a temp. You have 0 financial tie to the company.
As it would pertain to the long term status of the council, again it has zero consequence. CCP, can choose to end CSM/CPM position and bodies at any point in time. As, they are are a quarterly based company, they are not concerned with long-term investments. Ruining the reputation of the CPM for future use would not matter, as CPMs have been removed from the council before and investigated for corruption already. Protecting the position means nothing as it can be eliminate without cause at any reason, because you are a temp.
If you were to provide me evidence of you collecting data, or performing as a liaison to CCP development on behalf of the community; I'd gladly remove my label of you as a "puppet". Until then, you have betrayed the playerbase you pledged to represent to side with a company that has committed the last and ultimate disgrace to it's customers.
As a former CPM; a simple NDA break can easily lead to more player feedback ever again. I have had a brush with this once before; and while I do have to say the environment was far less hostile when I left am I pretty sure the weight of such consequences where tolled over the current cpm's heads.
Aeon chose right by remaining a player voice of great weight in CCP's ears and with the CPM being proven more right than wrong; and trustworthy of CCP's attention gives not only them more credence and power but in turn gives you the player-base more of that power too.
There are ways to criticize people to improve them and the things they do; and there is outright meandering that only makes the harrier feel good about themselves for a short while.
Former CPM 0, CPM 1
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2016.02.03 18:38:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:Warbot X wrote:well what abouts those peoples don't have a good pc to play dust on pc What about people that don't have the cash to buy a 2016 car? Is that the manufacturer's fault? Is it Microsoft's fault you can't run Windows 10 on a 10 year old computer? Etc.
My worst problem for me lately as a hobbyist pc repairman.
At least I know I can disable the update now.
Former CPM 0, CPM 1
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior
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Brahma El Indio
KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion.
181
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Posted - 2016.02.03 18:38:00 -
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That is an article that predates the launch of PS2 on PS4. It makes no mention of PS2 numbers on either platform at any time.
Your premise is a general one and does not specifically apply to PS2 as you are unable to demonstrate the veracity of your claims about PS2 numbers on the two platforms.
Sure some games that are on both platforms may have a larger following and revenue base on console, but those games may not be held back by the fixed hadrware of consoles that large scale FPS games will constantly struggle with.
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Galm Fae
Eskola Ergonomics
492
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Posted - 2016.02.03 18:39:00 -
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I have no words. I mean, I'm happy about the port to PC for personal reasons but as far as the executive choices made on this entire DUST 514 project will by far go down as likely the worst in the history of CCP. You played all of us for fools right up to the buzzer on this one, didn't you? How did the CPM not lynch whoever told them Warlords 1.3 was a lie on the stop?
Well... I mean I'm going to try to stay positive about all of this, because ultimately this is good for the future of DUST 514. Just know that I hate all of you, and I trust in God that at least some of you (including members of this community by the way, who I have always maintained were a huge part of the problem) won't be around when we make this leap forward.
Rich Hipster With No Skill
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CRUSADER2134
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
89
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Posted - 2016.02.03 18:41:00 -
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All of you complaining about this need to realize a few things.
#1. Releasing dust on console only was a mistake from the very beginning. They just don't have the longevity needed for a game coupled with an ever evolving existing PC game.
#2. CCP will make bank with a PC game. Because everyone who already plays EVE, will try it. Especially if advantages to the EVE side are tangible and worth it. So 10s of thousands of people will play it and that's a conservative estimate.
#3. CCP is a business out to make a profit. If you have been dumping money into Dust for the last 2 years and now complain about CCP pulling the plug it means you weren't doing your due diligence researching what was going on between Dust and EVE.
#4. With some very serious changes coming to EVE this year, this new PC based game will have the potential to be meaningful to the EVE universe in a way that Dust never was.
#5. CCP has stated that loyal Dust players who continue to play the new game on PC will receive certain advantages. If you're a console only gamer, sorry but for this type of game and networking between a long standing PC title like EVE, consoles aren't where the money is for CCP, see point #3. From the amount of people in EVE who will play it, CCP won't miss your money.
EVE Character MP2008
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Kevall Longstride
DUST University Ivy League
3
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Posted - 2016.02.03 18:42:00 -
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Seen a couple of posts regarding costs of the PC needed for the new game.
Again you'll have to wait for CCP to tell you the details but you are certainly notgoing to have to build the rig I need to run Eve: Valkyrie on max settings.
UE4 is very scalable and can run more than well enough on a mid range PC.
CPM 1&2 Member
CEO of DUST University
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TIGER SHARK1501
Savage Bullet RUST415
770
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Posted - 2016.02.03 18:50:00 -
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https://youtu.be/rfaa0Sjczik
It all slips away, and all your Aurum won't another minute buy
Dust in the wind, all we are is dust in the wind.
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