It's not fair (at least I don't see it as fair) to AV to have to need two different variants of missiles to engage both aerial and ground vehicles. Vehicles are fine like this (needing split weapons); they can easily disengage to the redline, call in another vehicle, and recall their current one. But AV infantry don't have the luxury of accessing a supply depot as easily, especially when they're set up on, say, a roof top.

There's no need to increase the effectiveness of swarms agains any ADS. All ADS fits get downed in 3-4 shots of decent AV (keep in mind you're virtually guaranteed 2 hits, and a third if the ADS doesn't run immediately). This is balanced, in my opinion; swarms have the potency to threaten and kill ADSs and ADSs still have a chance to escape. To improve on this damage-wise would put swarms over the edge of balance and make them OP. The only change I'd suggest would be the change to a single missile. (However, there needs to be improvements to dropship threat and target recognition, including early-warning of AV and improved rendering of infantry when approaching).

My idea is to have AV engage different vehicles in different ways. Similar to how Eve has signature radius, velocity, tracking, etc. to balance larger ships against smaller, all AV should have set values against different vehicles. Just for example: forge does full damage to an HAV and 85% to an LAV, lock-on for swarms is base against HAVs but slightly longer for LAVs (dropships are somewhere in the middle/ leaning toward base).

I very deeply want to get the HAV thing done first before I brainstorm things like that

And I wish you the best of luck with that. I fully expect the game to be unplayable for two months following the deployment of the new HAVs. And I have no idea how to avoid that under the current design goals for the new HAVs.

I'll just continue to distract myself with other suggestions.

21 db scans are only 45-¦ angle capture and only 100m range. They also (iirc) only light for 10seconds but are 30 second cooldown.

A whole lotta text that I did read but quoting it all would be silly

Dust 514 is a Class Based shooter with all 4 of the Traditional Classes with some mix and matching, the reason the Sentinel is a High Damage Bullet Sponges is because that is what the Role is traditionally, High DPS, High Health, Slow mover.
Class Based Shooter Concept Rundown
It is just a design choice on CCPs.

Focuses on heavy weapons such as the light-machine gun to defend objectives from a distance. Slower than the light infantry class, but compensates for higher range and firepower."

Taken from the article.....

There lays the problem, Have you Played TF2, Battle Field, or Star Wars Battle Front? In those games Heavy Infantry are as described, but they are still used offensively.

TF2 Is the prime Example, where Ubered Heavies and Medics on their Tails are used to Push Objectives, In Battle Field and Battle Front, the LMG weapons are Just as effective Up close as it is at Range.

How do You take a Weapon That Kills With ROF and DPS at range and nullify it in CQC, which as I theorized is against the Minn Weapon Philosophy. I wish CCP would tell use what they want the heavy to be in this sense.

1) hip fire, possibly like the SR.
2) turn speed, if heavies had very slow turn speed they could still track a target at 30m+ but not in CQC
3) charge time, however it could be bypassed by ore hatching
4)rising optimal range window above 30m like the LR

Take your pick...

GalLogi 21dB Active Scans
Prox - 60m, 45-¦, 15 sec visibility, 10 sec cooldown
Creo - 100m, 60-¦, 7.5 sec visibility, 15 sec cooldown
Flux - 200m, 90-¦, 12 sec visibility, 30 sec cooldown
Qua - 100m, 60-¦, 30 sec visibility, 40 sec cooldown

The HMG K/S is also too high, which is why we are acting on it, if it wasn't, we wouldn't.

The HMG K/S is also too high, which is why we are acting on it, if it wasn't, we wouldn't.

Data too raw and without all factors. To avoid Myopia, can you give us a list of the number of times which sockets were used for these PCs? The location of the objectives affect how well suits perform where.

That aside...huge spike in Amarr HMGs. Not so much the other HMGs. Why is this?.

So can we have a list of the top WP in PC gain JUST like this one?

See, here is the thing. We have this massive spike in Amarr heavies and act as though it is definitely the HMG.

Yet, the Min Assault and CR as well as the Gal scout and shotgun outperforms The Cal heavy and their HMG. It outperforms the Min heavy and their HMG 2 to 1.

The Gal heavy and HMG performs 30% better than the two above mentioned scouts.

The burst HMG is better than the HMG -- but it doesn't have near the number of kills. Why is that as well?

Too much raw data with no comparable over all picture data from other areas such as WP gained per suit/death (or, if it exists -- WP gained per suit by equipment.) (where is the assist per weapon/suit data?)

All sorts of data that needs to be considered before blanket nerfing.

A lot of people are going to draw ridiculous, narrow minded, knee jerk conclusions based on this and most people wouldn't know the scientific method if it bit them on their ass.

All still countered by the counter, an appropriately dampened Stealth Scout.

Notice how the scrambler rifle isn't up there? Almost like it's not OP or something. Weird.

Notice how the scrambler rifle isn't up there? Almost like it's not OP or something. Weird.

I believe it's because of the idea that heavies are the best in CQC if you have a logi at his back and of all the heavies amarr take advantage of this the most with all their armor.
If we removed the amarr heavy then gal would be the top used and if it was removed then even the min sent would be the most used.

Although I do believe the HMG needs a rework, the problem in part also lies in the high armor suit with logi combo with an very high DPS weapon.

I could be happy with the standard HMG having slightly more DPS then an AR but with 20m less range and a slow turn speed.

In this way the heavy will have the HP and a solid gun (although not as powerful as it is currently) to be a POINT defense(not city defense). The slow turn speed would limit its "prowling" of the point.

At this point the AR will be able to compete damage wise and the galASS will have the mobility to make it viable.

Then we could have the long range suppression variant breakin has very logically shown to be a great idea and the AV variant that the devs want.

It's right up there, a few hundred kills from the top 10...

... I simply get frustrated when people call a weapon OP without considering all data points.

I agree with the content of your message, Aeon, but the delivery struck me as a tad cheeky.

Also, let's not be too hard on them for locking down the meta. As bad as Scout/Heavy 514 was this past year, it was no where near as profuse and rampant as AR-514 the year prior. We have more build variety today than at any time since Chromosome.

Bunch of maybes

The TL;DR

Or it could have something to do with the prevalence of armor tank in PC.

I wouldn't be quick to label the ScR "not OP" ... it is presently Nyain San's (Addict, Kaizuka, Milkman, Aki etc) weapon of choice when stomping Ambush pubs, and we know for a fact that these guys don't fool around when it comes to pubstomping.