"THE NUMBER IS TOO DAMN HIGH!"[/b] If it exceed only 10-15% They won't worry about it. But right now, it is exceed 30% and still growth.

Ask yourself, what is a reason to have suit and weapon various if all user select to run only heavy?

this is an arbitrary statement. it's also a statement that has become highly problematic.

The HMG sentinel is too powerful in CQC and because of this, marginalizes non-scouts, which excel at murdering sentinels.

And I've stated on numerous occasions what the heavies should be. AV and area denial.

laser rifles are area denial.

Mass drivers and PLCs are breach tools. they suck at suppressing enemies.

First, sarcastic about sniper rifles is nonsense. They already force out from the redline.

Second, heavy was a joke before 1.8 but now it totally opposite, and it growth way too far.


Sometime people just need to study history before embarrass themselves

A machinegun is areea denial.

Don't lecture me based on a wiki article when I did that professionally IRL.

I have, the descriptions aren't in the same reality with how the weapons actually perform.

My Flaylock wants some homing missiles, por favor.

- Redline sniping is alway there and will continue be there but the number and the effective was toned down. Same goal apply to heavy.

- If you really have been rolling heavy since with was first introduced,since beta, you would experienced a grumpy slow turn and not so high EHP and no one scare even though the heavy was designed to be the tough and strong. AR or even SCR the was later introduce can chew through Amarr heavy as easy as chew banana


The actual experience is a prove, not a word on a board.

The important point here is that the "product" - in the mathematical sense - of the heavy suit and weapon has to exceed a certain threshold of power with the constraint that the usefulness of the HMG must be better than that of a light weapon, if we don't want sentinels to run around with ARs again.

[quote=Varoth Drac]I guess we could see how nerfing hmg range and dps works, and put it back if it breaks things. Perhaps look at sharing the nerf burden by nerfing heavy defence aswell (less dps nerf)..

what I want is irrelevant.

the weapons do not actually succeed at DOING the function they are DESCRIBED as HAVING.

they do something entirely different from the fluff. they do not perform their stated mission in said fluff very well at all.

oh for... DO YOU KNOW HOW TO READ???

Start here.

I'M READING!

Neither do you apparently or you'd know the Laser Rifle can and have done since Chromosome lock down entire sections of certain maps and kill anything that moves through it.

[Then you could safely nerf the current hmg, and maybe heavy defence a bit, safe in the knowledge that heavies also have a long range anti infantry option. Assaults having the ability to compete in built up area combat wouldn't be unfair on heavies, as heavies would have a long range option as well.

You would be one to say that the HMG "isn't problematic" despite being shown glaring evidence that it is...

Simple, I want the Gallente Assault Rifle to have a place

A question I also want answered. Historically and at the same time logically you don't create a heavily armoured unit with massive ordinance and force it into confined conditions.

Units like this typically excel as Breaking has said in open field positions, or in defensible position in overwatch.

I'm thinking more modern military....y'know guns and the like. You don't put massive fire power in the hands of a slow moving unit then force said unit into urban warfare.

What you did do was put that unit in the best available cover and have them rake enemy advances with gunfire. Machine-guns are most effective in areas where there is little or no cover for an enemy force to exploit whereas smaller and more compact weapons are useful in urban combat zones.

Consequently the benefit of that lessened mobility is that you gain that protection and capacity to carry more potent weaponry.

Also to note of the M103 bears many hall mark traits of an open country tank.

its one of those moments really... " omg all these heavies with hmgs" oh wait that's there oonly weapon unless they forge which they cant because ccp nerfed splash lmao

Oh you big bad expert, you.

I run sentinel without a logi leash crutch constantly. It is not necessary.

Further, Sentinels were never defined as a CQC role. That was assumed because the HMG was CQC.

What the hell were you gonna do if a heavy laser comes out with 200m optimal?

It'll work on infantry too. Ya gonna beat the "heavies are for CQC only drum hard then too?

There has never been a developer statement that sentinels are CQC. The HMG on the other hand... but things can change and designs can be rebuilt to fit the balance needs of the game.

Not some random player vision of how they think it should be.

Heavies are only CQC so long as the weapons dictate such.

Words and ego

A whole lotta text that I did read but quoting it all would be silly

Focuses on heavy weapons such as the light-machine gun to defend objectives from a distance. Slower than the light infantry class, but compensates for higher range and firepower."

Taken from the article.....

1) hip fire, possibly like the SR.
2) turn speed, if heavies had very slow turn speed they could still track a target at 30m+ but not in CQC
3) charge time, however it could be bypassed by ore hatching
4)rising optimal range window above 30m like the LR

Take your pick...