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CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 17707	Posted - 2015.03.03 03:41:00 - [1] - Quote Dear players, the experiments continue on the "share more data" front. Here is something that some of you fellow number-nutters might enjoy. The data is all kills in PC for a recent time period. First column is Dropsuit type and Second column is Weapon type, and the Kills are kills performed in that combination. Then, the last three columns are basically a one up category on both types, plus the Dropsuit race for further analysis. You can consider all of these kills performed in prototype gear, that is almost exclusively used in PC. Quick analysis (just drop the three last columns into an Excel pivot table, race across the columns and some conditional formatting to get the top 10 combinations), gives us: 1)AM Sent HMG, at 2X the next weapo 2)GA Scouts Shotgun 3)GA Sent HMG 4)Python MIssile Launcher 5)CA Scout Shotgun 6)MN Assault ACR 7) CA Sent HMG 8)Gunnlogi Railgun 9)MN Scout Nova Knifes 10)GA Scout Remote Explosives Picture for reference, and I know it is illegible Raw Data (csv) Also to note, MN Assault trending rapidly up, may need reining in soon. It's also interesting to study, not only the top, but the absolute combinations that are never used. For example, caldari scouts have no kills with nova knives. Also, Large Basic Frames are being used in PC, that is a conundrum to me... No-one ever got a kill with an Amarr commando. That's it, this is meant for the community to discuss, I have to work on some google docs "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Archduke Ferd1nand Nos Nothi 111	Posted - 2015.03.03 03:52:00 - [2] - Quote I, for one, am incredibly surprised that there isn't a single Gal Assault/ TAR up there Also Gal Scout...? You sure this wasn't from last patch? Scouts are irrelevant for slaying in PC now. Only reason to use one is for links and RE's on the same fit. BRB, looking for socks Asslut Rifles OP, anal now I shit shotgun shells and piss Remote Explosives
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5135	Posted - 2015.03.03 04:34:00 - [3] - Quote To make things a little easier on the eyes... https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bUltXQYBFeUqpvWsTbX72PEcSkUKlrqi8MSfWm3il0c/edit?usp=sharing "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 15348	Posted - 2015.03.03 04:38:00 - [4] - Quote I don't know if the fact that nothing surprised me here, not even the Amarr Commando thing, should make me sad or laugh. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 9722	Posted - 2015.03.03 04:39:00 - [5] - Quote Lol the only assault is the Minmatar assault. They called me crazy....I AINT CRAZY. That is a huge issue about the Knives and especially the Amarr commando. Something needs to be done about those pronto while reining in that Min Assault. *As long as 4/5 (80%) of infantry AV weapons are Anti Armor based you're never going to achieve vehicle balance CCP*

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 17711	Posted - 2015.03.03 04:46:00 - [6] - Quote well, there is no way in this kind of hyper-competitive and complex end-game could be balanced so that every combination has a place. The best of the best migrate to "best", sometimes actually on orders, not by choice. Tactical commanders simply don't aloow sub-optimal choices in their PC team, regardless of player preferences. I am actually kind of happy to see that the situation is as flavorful as it is. I expected absolute black and white. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5136	Posted - 2015.03.03 04:47:00 - [7] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I don't know if the fact that nothing surprised me here, not even the Amarr Commando thing, should make me sad or laugh. I think I've contributed a fair number of those very few Plasma Cannon kills on a Gallente Commando. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 15349	Posted - 2015.03.03 04:55:00 - [8] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: well, there is no way in this kind of hyper-competitive and complex end-game could be balanced so that every combination has a place. The best of the best migrate to "best", sometimes actually on orders, not by choice. Tactical commanders simply don't aloow sub-optimal choices in their PC team, regardless of player preferences. I am actually kind of happy to see that the situation is as flavorful as it is. I expected absolute black and white. Sure, but don't you find the Amarr and Gal Sent with the HMG outstripping together the next 5 suit combinations combined, kind of over the top? Some trends here and there are to be expected, but this is more than a trend in my eyes. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 15349	Posted - 2015.03.03 04:56:00 - [9] - Quote >Looks at the raw data >Searches for Gallente Assault >28th place >Looks at the weapon >rail rifle >Head desk Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5138	Posted - 2015.03.03 04:59:00 - [10] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: >Looks at the raw data >Searches for Gallente Assault >Finds one in 28th place >Looks at the weapon >Sees that it's a rail rifle >Head desk Well if the Caldari Assault actually got a bonus worth using.... "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net

Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 15349	Posted - 2015.03.03 05:01:00 - [11] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Cat Merc wrote: >Looks at the raw data >Searches for Gallente Assault >Finds one in 28th place >Looks at the weapon >Sees that it's a rail rifle >Head desk Well if the Caldari Assault actually got a bonus worth using.... Same goes for the Gal Assault, the bonus is too poor for them to care about losing it. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 17714	Posted - 2015.03.03 05:01:00 - [12] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: well, there is no way in this kind of hyper-competitive and complex end-game could be balanced so that every combination has a place. The best of the best migrate to "best", sometimes actually on orders, not by choice. Tactical commanders simply don't aloow sub-optimal choices in their PC team, regardless of player preferences. I am actually kind of happy to see that the situation is as flavorful as it is. I expected absolute black and white. Sure, but don't you find the Amarr and Gal Sent with the HMG outstripping together the next 5 suit combinations combined, kind of over the top? Some trends here and there are to be expected, but this is more than a trend in my eyes. That's the reason we are now, after achieving relative balance overall on Rifles, studying the combinations and see which ones are UP and OP. First things first. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7170	Posted - 2015.03.03 05:04:00 - [13] - Quote @ Rattati Can you provide us with the specific time frame? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Juno Tristan Obscure Reference 390	Posted - 2015.03.03 05:09:00 - [14] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: well, there is no way in this kind of hyper-competitive and complex end-game could be balanced so that every combination has a place. The best of the best migrate to "best", sometimes actually on orders, not by choice. Tactical commanders simply don't aloow sub-optimal choices in their PC team, regardless of player preferences. I am actually kind of happy to see that the situation is as flavorful as it is. I expected absolute black and white. Sure, but don't you find the Amarr and Gal Sent with the HMG outstripping together the next 5 suit combinations combined, kind of over the top? Some trends here and there are to be expected, but this is more than a trend in my eyes. It's one (point defence) game mode and it guarantees a city map, it's going to feature a lot of heavies ADS Ramming Revenge! Plasma Cannon Rampage
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 15349	Posted - 2015.03.03 05:18:00 - [15] - Quote Juno Tristan wrote: Cat Merc wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: well, there is no way in this kind of hyper-competitive and complex end-game could be balanced so that every combination has a place. The best of the best migrate to "best", sometimes actually on orders, not by choice. Tactical commanders simply don't aloow sub-optimal choices in their PC team, regardless of player preferences. I am actually kind of happy to see that the situation is as flavorful as it is. I expected absolute black and white. Sure, but don't you find the Amarr and Gal Sent with the HMG outstripping together the next 5 suit combinations combined, kind of over the top? Some trends here and there are to be expected, but this is more than a trend in my eyes. It's one (point defence) game mode and it guarantees a city map, it's going to feature a lot of heavies City maps in general, doesn't matter if it's point defense or not. They're excellent in closed maps, regardless of attacking or defending. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Iria Gren Liquid Swords 113	Posted - 2015.03.03 05:35:00 - [16] - Quote Quote: No-one ever got a kill with an Amarr commando. I run almost nothing but Amarr commandos and this makes me happy, for soon there will be commando love.
Ghost Kaisar Negative-Feedback 10195	Posted - 2015.03.03 05:54:00 - [17] - Quote Just did some number crunching. Total Kills in PC: 231,145 (To do this quick, highlight the entire column, excel will add them for you. Don't forget to include the ones that weren't formatted correctly) Total HMG kills in PC: 62,491 % HMG Kills in PC: 27% You have a 1 in 4 chance of dying to an HMG in PC. The heavy spam is real. Something should probably be done about it. Personally, I think that the DPS needs to be brought down and cooldown dialed back to allow for longer bursts of fire. Rather than a death beam that heats up real quick, how about a deadly spray that is good for engagements vs. Multiple targets in CQC? Born Deteis Caldari. Rejected by my Kinsman. Found a new family in the Vherokior Tribe. Nobody messes with my family
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 15351	Posted - 2015.03.03 05:58:00 - [18] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Just did some number crunching. Total Kills in PC: 231,145 (To do this quick, highlight the entire column, excel will add them for you. Don't forget to include the ones that weren't formatted correctly) Total HMG kills in PC: 62,491 % HMG Kills in PC: 27% You have a 1 in 4 chance of dying to an HMG in PC. The heavy spam is real. Something should probably be done about it. Personally, I think that the DPS needs to be brought down and cooldown dialed back to allow for longer bursts of fire. Rather than a death beam that heats up real quick, how about a deadly spray that is good for engagements vs. Multiple targets in CQC? Rattati said he's happy with the DPS of the HMG VoV I might have changed by now, but that's a thing he said a while back. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 17720	Posted - 2015.03.03 06:03:00 - [19] - Quote HMG dps and range will be toned down, burst hmg will keep current range, assault hmg will be a longer range autocannon with anti-vehicle capability. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 316	Posted - 2015.03.03 06:05:00 - [20] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: HMG dps and range will be toned down, burst hmg will keep current range, assault hmg will be a longer range autocannon with anti-vehicle capability. Yes! Molestia approved

Kain Spero Negative-Feedback. 4632	Posted - 2015.03.03 06:08:00 - [21] - Quote Yeah, HMG and shotguns seems about right. I actually got some kills in PC with Amarr commando last week. Didn't realize I was pulling out a unicorn. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 317	Posted - 2015.03.03 06:12:00 - [22] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Yeah, HMG and shotguns seems about right. I actually got some kills in PC with Amarr commando last week. Didn't realize I was pulling out a unicorn. caldari assault in pc. I pulled out an Alicorn apparently. Molestia approved
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 1345	Posted - 2015.03.03 06:13:00 - [23] - Quote Highly specialized weapons and suits still are abused. Scout, whose task should be to EWAR and covert penetration (uplinks for team), has the means of attack. ...we can not blame the players - they simply choose what works best. Please support fair play!
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 15351	Posted - 2015.03.03 06:13:00 - [24] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: HMG dps and range will be toned down, burst hmg will keep current range, assault hmg will be a longer range autocannon with anti-vehicle capability. https://i.imgur.com/j7TYYkE.jpg Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 9725	Posted - 2015.03.03 06:14:00 - [25] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: HMG dps and range will be toned down, burst hmg will keep current range, assault hmg will be a longer range autocannon with anti-vehicle capability. More Anti Armor Anti Vehicle weapons! Just what we needed! I sure hope you at least intend on having EM Warhead Swarms when you add in the Auto Cannon. *As long as 4/5 (80%) of infantry AV weapons are Anti Armor based you're never going to achieve vehicle balance CCP*
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback. 4632	Posted - 2015.03.03 06:18:00 - [26] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: HMG dps and range will be toned down, burst hmg will keep current range, assault hmg will be a longer range autocannon with anti-vehicle capability. Talking about AV weapons is changing the Swarms to a Caldari damage profile still being considered? Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 890	Posted - 2015.03.03 06:20:00 - [27] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: well, there is no way in this kind of hyper-competitive and complex end-game could be balanced so that every combination has a place. The best of the best migrate to "best", sometimes actually on orders, not by choice. Tactical commanders simply don't aloow sub-optimal choices in their PC team, regardless of player preferences. I am actually kind of happy to see that the situation is as flavorful as it is. I expected absolute black and white. It is black and white. You run max hp sentinels or re scouts to kill sentinels. The combo of both are used to give heavies working passive scans. Python missiles kill everything. Gunnlogi rail kills drop ships from redline. Minmatar assault is rising because it's there's something wrong with it. It's too fast even with plates on it. And it has the same hitbox issues as the cal scout now.
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 1346	Posted - 2015.03.03 06:45:00 - [28] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: It is black and white. You run max hp sentinels or re scouts to kill sentinels. The combo of both are used to give heavies working passive scans. Python missiles kill everything. Gunnlogi rail kills drop ships from redline. Minmatar assault is rising because it's there's something wrong with it. It's too fast even with plates on it. And it has the same hitbox issues as the cal scout now. 10/10 Please support fair play!
Random1628 Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 3	Posted - 2015.03.03 06:55:00 - [29] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Also, Large Basic Frames are being used in PC, that is a conundrum to me... Well I don't know the exact reason for the use of the Amarr and Caldari Heavy Frames, I do know the reasons for using the Minmatar and Gallente and that being speed. Now I use the Minmatar Heavy Frame because of the increased base movement speed with sprint speed of 7.71 with two Kin Cats and the Burst HMG and I'd like to think that I got most of those kills but I don't know for sure and the probably the reason some one/people use the Gallente is for the 7.85 sprint speed but I don't know anyone that uses it.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7172	Posted - 2015.03.03 06:59:00 - [30] - Quote John Psi wrote: Scout, whose task should be to EWAR EWAR Scouts were put out to pasture with Falloff. Today, the GalLogi is the only competitive recon unit. It is also the only competitive source of low-dB counter-infiltration (excluding inner Falloff rings). Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley



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