EWAR Scouts were put out to pasture with Falloff.
The GalLogi is the only competitive Recon & Counter-Infiltration unit.

HMG dps and range will be toned down, burst hmg will keep current range, assault hmg will be a longer range autocannon with anti-vehicle capability.

Dear players,

the experiments continue on the "share more data" front.

Here is something that some of you fellow number-nutters might enjoy.

The data is all kills in PC for a recent time period.

First column is Dropsuit type and Second column is Weapon type, and the Kills are kills performed in that combination.

Then, the last three columns are basically a one up category on both types, plus the Dropsuit race for further analysis.

You can consider all of these kills performed in prototype gear, that is almost exclusively used in PC.

Quick analysis (just drop the three last columns into an Excel pivot table, race across the columns and some conditional formatting to get the top 10 combinations), gives us:

1)AM Sent HMG, at 2X the next weapo
2)GA Scouts Shotgun
3)GA Sent HMG
4)Python MIssile Launcher
5)CA Scout Shotgun
6)MN Assault ACR
7) CA Sent HMG
8)Gunnlogi Railgun
9)MN Scout Nova Knifes
10)GA Scout Remote Explosives

Picture for reference, and I know it is illegible
[img]http://puu.sh/gkbJz/fe98516519.png[/img]

Raw Data (csv)

Also to note, MN Assault trending rapidly up, may need reining in soon.

It's also interesting to study, not only the top, but the absolute combinations that are never used. For example, caldari scouts have no kills with nova knives.

Also, Large Basic Frames are being used in PC, that is a conundrum to me...

No-one ever got a kill with an Amarr commando.

That's it, this is meant for the community to discuss, I have to work on some google docs

HMG dps and range will be toned down, burst hmg will keep current range, assault hmg will be a longer range autocannon with anti-vehicle capability.

HMG dps and range will be toned down, burst hmg will keep current range, assault hmg will be a longer range autocannon with anti-vehicle capability.

Dear players,

the experiments continue on the "share more data" front.

Here is something that some of you fellow number-nutters might enjoy.

well, there is no way in this kind of hyper-competitive and complex end-game could be balanced so that every combination has a place. The best of the best migrate to "best", sometimes actually on orders, not by choice. Tactical commanders simply don't aloow sub-optimal choices in their PC team, regardless of player preferences.

I am actually kind of happy to see that the situation is as flavorful as it is. I expected absolute black and white.

Also to note, MN Assault trending rapidly up, may need reining in soon.

caldari scouts have no kills with nova knives.

Also, Large Basic Frames are being used in PC, that is a conundrum to me...

No-one ever got a kill with an Amarr commando.

NUMBERS

So in PC you are more likely to be killed by someone in a Scout suit than an HMG.

inb4nerfscouts

This sentinel-meta has been the exact same since 1.8, it is about ******* time you do something to Fix it. This is not about avoid choosing the sub-optimal choice in PC, this is about "spam as many heavy as we can" (where heavy means sentinels.) I love CCP Rattati and everything but I cant stand these sentinels being so ez game

What would be more intersesting is PC deaths.

If heavies have the most kills and the most deaths, would they still need a nerf? Thier K/S ratio twould say a lot more than the blindingly obvious.

Heavies suits are made for upclose point defense, PC is about grabing a letter and point defense. You don't need to redline the other team, you just need the majority of letters and keep them. I would be hard pressed to say its a revelation that heavies have the most kills by a good margin. But if heavy kills are in junction with the rest of the game outside of PC, then nerfing them doesn't make sense.

It aking to saying Logis have the most triage WP by a good margin, therefore nerf. Nobody would be surprised if there was data tommorrow saying Logis on average get 25% more WP

Anothing thing i noticed my end was the claim that the "incubus is fine by proxy" made by Rattati, because of python kills in PC. The highest ranked Proto Incubus has 909 kills on the chart. Only about 7427 kills behind the Python. Just saying.

But pag heavy spam is only reliable on two points :/ it's easy to deal with outside if that makes sense

Not sure if trolling or just completely retrd...

What would be more intersesting is PC deaths.

If heavies have the most kills and the most deaths, would they still need a nerf? Thier K/S ratio twould say a lot more than the blindingly obvious.

Heavies suits are made for upclose point defense, PC is about grabing a letter and point defense. You don't need to redline the other team, you just need the majority of letters and keep them. I would be hard pressed to say its a revelation that heavies have the most kills by a good margin. But if heavy kills are in junction with the rest of the game outside of PC, then nerfing them doesn't make sense.

It aking to saying Logis have the most triage WP by a good margin, therefore nerf. Nobody would be surprised if there was data tommorrow saying Logis on average get 25% more WP

Anothing thing i noticed my end was the claim that the "incubus is fine by proxy" made by Rattati, because of python kills in PC. The highest ranked Proto Incubus has 909 kills on the chart. Only about 7427 kills behind the Python. Just saying.

The HMG K/S is also too high, which is why we are acting on it, if it wasn't, we wouldn't.

HMG dps and range will be toned down, burst hmg will keep current range, assault hmg will be a longer range autocannon with anti-vehicle capability.

The HMG K/S is also too high, which is why we are acting on it, if it wasn't, we wouldn't.

So I have a serious question, and this is not intended to come off in a snide tone.

But in over six months, there have been no less than five serious, well thought threads on addressing HMG dominance in CQC. There has not been a single dev response, nor any indication that these threads have even been reviewed.

In fact there has never been a non-trolling dev response in any similar thread in two years that I have read.

Why?

Further, Sentinels/heavies have been proven more problematic than worthwhile in a balance perspective, so the answer has been "make them even MORE CQC. More of the same thing that has never worked should work now, right?"

Why are Heavies not being repurposed to dedicated AV and area denial?

Area denial is not room by room brawling. Area denial is what you post at the door/gate to keep people OUT of the rooms in the first place.

Sentinel suit's advantages and disatvantages are TEXTBOOK examples of open-ground, area suppression parameters. But they are being crammed into close quarters.

Why?

The only answer anyone has EVER provided is "heavies are cqc." This is a non-answer that holds as much validity as when I say "because :reasons:"

There is no vision for the heavy suit. They were originally billed as the go-to suits for AV and area denial. What we have is a CQC brawler that performs poorly in an AV capacity compared to lighter, more agile AV options (swarms).

So instead of doing more of the same thing, why do we not separate the role of the heavy, which should be a support platform that assists an assault squad, from the assault, which should be the go-to suit for attacking in CQC?