Shouldn't you guys.....I don't know...be protecting those staging zones?

I'd rather not have redlines removed. Pushed back? Yea. Maps are way too small to make transport really attractive (which is why I'm not saying ADS's are OP, rather broken).

With this, I agree. Also, give maps with natural obstacles hard to traverse, like water, or complicated to traverse mountains. Then you'd see higher demand in pilots for transport.

I still like using them to aggress ground targets when AV is light. lol

You seem to think HAV's can easily counter pretty much everything when it's known that said things can in fact counter the counter.

A counter is supposed to be countered so one thing isn't too OP. Its like pokemon.

They can...

Infantry - Small blaster beats swarms and forgers. Scout tries to run around you, you reverse, switch and fire.

Multiple AV - You see something coming at you, you harden and you run keeping as much terrain between you and them as you can, small mounds in the ground will soak up swarms and a forge has a lot less to aim at. Come back later and try to take them from cover with range.

JLAV - You move directly away from them, the jeep doesn't detonate, they can't jump out and detonate before you're out of range and it also leaves them as easy prey. When they try to go around the side and get behind you change direction. All the while looking for the opportune moment to blast them to oblivion, 1 hit on a remote does it, failing that it's a friggin' LAV they don't have decent hp.

Large Turret Installation - Anything other than rails, you keep a distance. Unmanned rails are useless, manned rails are useless because you go round to where the dropsuit is and pop it.

Enemy Tank - Take 'em from behind to deal stupid damage. Expect a hardener (if they don't have one they're screwed anyway) make them waste it, then avoid using yours as long as you can dodge the shots. Always try to out maneuver them, the harder you are to hit the more ammo they'll waste. Damage avoided is better than damage tanked.
Or be a rail ***** and shoot from out of their range with easy escape to the redzone, this is for the unskilled.


This is the big one!

Dropship - So many ways... Blow them out of they sky before they see you coming. Use Large turret installations to your advantage, position yourself so either you or the turret is able to hit them. Use buildings and such to force them to one side or limit their effective locations. Be unpredictable, yes back and forward is easy to hit, but not if you have to guess when and where the tank is chosing to move, you can taunt them into flying too far forward, then they fly up and by the time they've got you back in the sights your shields are back at full, you can buy time to get to a turret, hide under something, get to the redzone, or just bore them to death/maybe they run out of ammo, there are sooooooo many ways to deal with a dropship depending on the map.


Sorry for the wall 'o' text, but people never seem to use things that are really quite obvious... Feel free to come at me with a dropship, if you don't have backup, you wont do much. Yes things can be countered and double countered, that's where the 'out-thinking' an opponent comes in.

Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Assault Dropships are OP blah blah blah.

And this is the problem. Why do I have to coordinate with others to fight one single pilot exactly?

You're doing it wrong.

All of you, but mainly the guy that thinks the ADS takes a long time to kill a tank.

Also, again, ADS is a Dropship, not a gunship (and even then, it shouldn't lockdown an entire portion of a map unless the pilot is either REALLY good, or the other team sucks HARD).

And What I'm asking for is to be prepared to have to dodge or run when a blaster or Rocket fitted HAV starts firing back in their optimal's (more so run due to HAv's not being able to run).

This thread is the most amusing thing out there, we got HAV users, who already have the most powerful and durable units on the field, bitching about the 3 of the 4 things that can kill them if they dont pay attention, make a ****** fitting, and completely suck.

You better be careful, if those things get nerfed all you will have left to nerf is other HAVs, then what excuse will you have for dying?

And you're again misunderstanding what I'm saying, which you obviously would.

Trying to inject reason into this topic just meets with Godin's stonewall resistance to anything that doesn't immediately and utterly conform to his warped vision of the game.

Trying to inject reason into this topic just meets with Godin's stonewall resistance to anything that doesn't immediately and utterly conform to his warped vision of the game.

killertojo, the redline expansion doesn't actually include the main enemy redline. The aerial redline extends out to the sides somewhat but where ADSs can go chasing a fleeing HAV, so can infantry and HAVs. The only real difference is the effect of terrain, where ground units might get stuck.

As far as ADS QQ, you do realise that ADSs have either been OP (1.8's vehiclepocalypse), extremely underpowered (like when swarms were 400m lock-on with more damage) or debatable (pretty much now: often one AV presence will render an ADS obsolete, but no AV presence renders them OP...though it's hardly OP if no one is trying to counter you.)

The current ADS balance is pretty close to spot on. HAVs need coordination to fight one off, due their blind spot, but in return are incredibly resilient (or at least are supposed to be: the HAV Hull Reintroduction should see an improvement in quality of HAV life) while infantry are fragile but have far more flexibility in their approaches to any situation (lots of cover, multiple angles of attack) AF the cost of speed and direct power. ADSs have the manoeuvrability advantage and good firepower versus infantry, but the same defences apply (cover) and have the hafddest time acquiring targets (infantry are specks, even HAVs are small from the kind of distances some people are talking about in this thread) and usually are forced to choose AV or AP, like infantry (despite what Godin says, small missiles take a long time to kill HAVs solo.)

If were talking a multi gun ADS, then that is making multiple other sacrifices: multiple turrets = less HP and a greater vulnerability to high alpha damage, as well as a lower time in a dangerous area (which, again, is lower than what Godin seems to be claiming) for the benefit of greater fire power, yet also requires more resources (ie, two players.)

In all, ADSs are pretty close to where they should be, and the primary reason they are seen most often as solo gun platforms is due to the absolute lack of need or want for a transport by most teams.

Most people who has come in here has used the exact. same. argument. How about you stop asking to be broken?

How ironic how you don't understand that is what I'm asking for

It's a waste of time trying to contribute to a Godin thread.

Better to just troll it.


Especially cos he's clearly a bad. I mean, what was that? "Should only take one guy to kill one guy?" I can basically guarantee that Godin has begged for HAV to be equal to 2+ AV in the past (can't be arsed searching, though). Hell, I have begged such myself (though not since tank prices got cut).
I don't understand why he thinks that his blaster tank should be able to kill anything that comes within its range. If it outmanouevres him, he loses. If he tracks it efficiently, it dies. Hard.

If he doesn't feel like it, he ought to try the turret that was so good against ADS that they nerfed its range (i.e. Large Railgun). Wrecks them. Isn't hard to get the shots off, again, unless you're terribad.

And to be quite honest, I find it easiest to kill DS and ADS with an Ishukone AFG, far more so than even my damage modded Particle Cannon.


I still think we should change the name to gunship.

How about you drive forward and backwards, and abuse terrain?

Top turrets could stand to have a little more elevation, and HAVs shouldnt be forced to fit a front turret in order to fit a top turret, but other than that it just sounds like you're whining cuz you can't sit out in the open and kill all the things.

HAV is supposed to counter infantry and other GROUND vehicles. As in other HAVs and LAVs. If you somehow manage to get a potshot on a DS, than good for you.

HAV is supposed to counter infantry and other GROUND vehicles. As in other HAVs and LAVs. If you somehow manage to get a potshot on a DS, than good for you.

if the hav is supposed to counter infantry and most av basically is infantry. then shouldnt i be capable of easily taking out multiple av "infantry" units?.






i prefer gta 5s terms of vehicles game play a bit better.


the tank is the most powerful out of nearly all of them. with the best defense as well.

and it can easily dispatch all those helicopters as they tend to eventually fly low into tanks line of fire. but said tanks ultimate weakness seems to be those cannons from the p996 lazor jet. even a strafing run is deadly in a pretty big area. but that air craft is fast and cannot hover thus it can be difficult to take out said tank and ground targets. but is still very cable of ground attack and killing helicopters like the buzzard.

but the buzzard is essentialy useless against said tank. as the tank can easily aim high enough to kill the buzzard.

if only dusts vehicle combat could be made to be somewhat similar. oh and the other thing. that tank has an unusable mounted machine. it would be nice to use it but i guess the highly explosive main cannon is good enough which is very capable at killing pretty much everything save for another tank as that turns into a brawling match. im talking about the dull and boring combat in general nevermind the fits.

An ADS can just fly higher, or slow down and easily track the movement of the HAV.

Top turrets require another person, or would make you highly vulnerable to approaching threats.

I agree, a front turret is mostly unneeded.

Deal with doesn't mean kill. I'd like to have options without forcing teamwork on a one on one basis is all, for any situation, whether it be a infantry sitting in front of a HAV, a DS maneuvering from AV, a Heavy being jumped by a infantry hotdropped by a ADS, etc. You and others here clearly don't understand that,, probably because you refuse to not be OP. Hell, irrc many DS pilots claimed to want to be able to kill installations as easy as HAV's (I'm talking RU's and such) because it took too long, so this resistance makes sense. I care not however. Deal with it.

You do realize that a DS could NEVER engage you if you had no vulnerable zone....right...?

It takes all of one second to pivot your tank and turn your turret....

Im sorry that you're being outplayed since you clearly cant outmaneuver them or use terrain to gain elevation. The only way more elevation for a main turret would ever be close to balanced is if turret rotation took a big hit, so you can't just effortlessly engage dropships at all times.

Hovering above a tank leaves you wide open to attack from enemy AV, and still leaves you vulnerable if you dont immediately disengage when the HAV alters direction on you, buying the tank time to fall back, or kill the DS if the dont immediately respond.

It takes all of one second to pivot your tank and turn your turret....

Im sorry that you're being outplayed since you clearly cant outmaneuver them or use terrain to gain elevation. The only way more elevation for a main turret would ever be close to balanced is if turret rotation took a big hit, so you can't just effortlessly engage dropships at all times.

Hovering above a tank leaves you wide open to attack from enemy AV, and still leaves you vulnerable if you dont immediately disengage when the HAV alters direction on you, buying the tank time to fall back, or kill the DS if the dont immediately respond.