And Gunships that HAV's can't defend against. You can seriously hover over them and blow them up. Running away doesn't even help it seems, as you can still just fire away at them to kill them. This is highly unreasonable and needs to get fixed (a raise in turret elevation would help).


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@ Killertojo you really need to revise your post. Not even in closed alpha where Small Missile turrets ment to be lock on. They have and always will be ment to be how they are.

Now there was talk about creating a new turret that in the missle turret line that allowed lock ons. Back when this talk happened dropship pillots did not care about swarms. CCP never really took interest in it and had bigger issues for ballancing on there plate

lol, because current meta has anything to do with meta from that point in the game. I've been around since mid-open beta and it was different then.

HAVs Can easily run, it takes so many rounds solo to take a good tank, plenty of time for them to roll into their redline as they always do, unless youre referring to when you also have multiples of AV firing in which case it should die. if you wanna take away my ability to hover over you and fire then you must also at the same time remove an HAVs ability to hide like a coward in the redline behind a hill and snipe an ads with a particle accelerator where there is no ability to return fire.

killertojo, the redline expansion doesn't actually include the main enemy redline. The aerial redline extends out to the sides somewhat but where ADSs can go chasing a fleeing HAV, so can infantry and HAVs. The only real difference is the effect of terrain, where ground units might get stuck.

As far as ADS QQ, you do realise that ADSs have either been OP (1.8's vehiclepocalypse), extremely underpowered (like when swarms were 400m lock-on with more damage) or debatable (pretty much now: often one AV presence will render an ADS obsolete, but no AV presence renders them OP...though it's hardly OP if no one is trying to counter you.)

The current ADS balance is pretty close to spot on. HAVs need coordination to fight one off, due their blind spot, but in return are incredibly resilient (or at least are supposed to be: the HAV Hull Reintroduction should see an improvement in quality of HAV life) while infantry are fragile but have far more flexibility in their approaches to any situation (lots of cover, multiple angles of attack) AF the cost of speed and direct power. ADSs have the manoeuvrability advantage and good firepower versus infantry, but the same defences apply (cover) and have the hafddest time acquiring targets (infantry are specks, even HAVs are small from the kind of distances some people are talking about in this thread) and usually are forced to choose AV or AP, like infantry (despite what Godin says, small missiles take a long time to kill HAVs solo.)

If were talking a multi gun ADS, then that is making multiple other sacrifices: multiple turrets = less HP and a greater vulnerability to high alpha damage, as well as a lower time in a dangerous area (which, again, is lower than what Godin seems to be claiming) for the benefit of greater fire power, yet also requires more resources (ie, two players.)

In all, ADSs are pretty close to where they should be, and the primary reason they are seen most often as solo gun platforms is due to the absolute lack of need or want for a transport by most teams.