so just say "**** it, the game should be broken. Why should I care?" and I'll feel better?

No.

Assault isn't support. The dropship supports. We had logistics dropships for a reason.

I don't give a **** what a desc. says, they can be reworded (and they have). They are broken as Gunships, and either they need fixing to where they can't just hover over HAV's, or a role change, and as DS's they REALLY need a role change, as a DS isn't made to go pew pew at every ******* thing in the game.

Also, read the above on why using AV and hopping out the suit is a stupid idea.

There's little to no ariel cover on ANY map. Name 10 places per map, and I'll change my mind.

That isn't a option for Maddies, future solo HAV's, and Enforcers.

That would be a gunship

Does a Apache have seats? Also, does modern day tanks have defenses against gunships?

Sorry, the Apache isn't a good analogy, the Mil Mi-24 is a better equivalent.

Also, is this frickin' modern day, or is this 20000 years in the future? Maybe the Caldari were too stupid to figure out how to stop ADS's. Oh wait, did someone say swarm launchers?

To add to this, ADS should have been a light vehicle from the start. Not a lot of health, very maneuverable, uses speed and agility to survive, as opposed to withstanding the hits. Since this will never become a reality, we must make do.

The problem is how huge they are. I'm talking a LAV in the sky. I mean hard to hit.

Why not rename the ADS to gunship, get rid of the extra seats then everyone can stop pissing and moaning about it's intended role.

Dropping off passengers is for the normal DS, the ADS doesn't have enough tank.

A tanks counter to an ADS if directly above should be the use of small turrets, which should be given higher elevation

At that point it's not a Dropship. Do you not know what a Dropship is?

I'm trying to have a balanced game.

you claim too have killed 37 havs the other day with an ads but i don't see no proof

i went 120/0 the other day........see what i did there?

You seem to think HAV's can easily counter pretty much everything when it's known that said things can in fact counter the counter.

They can...

Infantry - Small blaster beats swarms and forgers. Scout tries to run around you, you reverse, switch and fire.

Multiple AV - You see something coming at you, you harden and you run keeping as much terrain between you and them as you can, small mounds in the ground will soak up swarms and a forge has a lot less to aim at. Come back later and try to take them from cover with range.

JLAV - You move directly away from them, the jeep doesn't detonate, they can't jump out and detonate before you're out of range and it also leaves them as easy prey. When they try to go around the side and get behind you change direction. All the while looking for the opportune moment to blast them to oblivion, 1 hit on a remote does it, failing that it's a friggin' LAV they don't have decent hp.

Large Turret Installation - Anything other than rails, you keep a distance. Unmanned rails are useless, manned rails are useless because you go round to where the dropsuit is and pop it.

Enemy Tank - Take 'em from behind to deal stupid damage. Expect a hardener (if they don't have one they're screwed anyway) make them waste it, then avoid using yours as long as you can dodge the shots. Always try to out maneuver them, the harder you are to hit the more ammo they'll waste. Damage avoided is better than damage tanked.
Or be a rail ***** and shoot from out of their range with easy escape to the redzone, this is for the unskilled.


This is the big one!

Dropship - So many ways... Blow them out of they sky before they see you coming. Use Large turret installations to your advantage, position yourself so either you or the turret is able to hit them. Use buildings and such to force them to one side or limit their effective locations. Be unpredictable, yes back and forward is easy to hit, but not if you have to guess when and where the tank is chosing to move, you can taunt them into flying too far forward, then they fly up and by the time they've got you back in the sights your shields are back at full, you can buy time to get to a turret, hide under something, get to the redzone, or just bore them to death/maybe they run out of ammo, there are sooooooo many ways to deal with a dropship depending on the map.


Sorry for the wall 'o' text, but people never seem to use things that are really quite obvious... Feel free to come at me with a dropship, if you don't have backup, you wont do much. Yes things can be countered and double countered, that's where the 'out-thinking' an opponent comes in.

Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Assault Dropships are OP blah blah blah.

How ironic how you don't understand that is what I'm asking for

Guys. Please keep it civil and constructive. Otherwise I will have to lock this down. Thank you.

About 17 times.

I've so far killed about 90.

Yes, silence the person speaking reason.

Why? Because I hate broken ****?

So if I own a invisible unicorn that only I can detect, I say it is real and everyone else says it's not, I'm wrong? Using your logic, I am.

Just because a trillion people believe your warped opinion, that doesn't make your warped opinion right you fool. PROVE IT'S RIGHT.

You didn't give evidence, you told us you can easily take out tanks in ADS, that's just your word. There are ADS pilots and other tankers in this thread that all disagree with you, why are you so convinced that you're right? Just because it happened in your experience doesn't mean that it's the same for everyone else, atm it just makes you seem like a terrible player.

Not really, I don't actually care. It's still broken however.

A question to all: Why is it bad to not want to have to rely on teamwork?