"I don't give a **** what CCP, the developers of the game, intended for how the vehicle I'm complaining about was supposed to be used" You keep saying the DS isn't supposed to be this or that but when confronted with evidence that you're wrong about what the vehicle is supposed to be you cover your ears and keep on complaining. If you want to make yourself a harder to hit target to a Dropship then move back and forth to throw off their aim, it's harder to hit an unpredictable target than one thats moving in the same direction at the same speed (as an example)./quote]

Any building with a roof big enough to fit an HAV is cover for you, go to town.

Why is getting out and using AV a **** idea? It's hilariously effective, especially if you have a pocket sentinel suit. The only good anti-infantry turret on the Dropship is the Missile, which is explosive damage. Sentinels get explosive resistance and one of the best infantry AV based weapons available. If you're caught with your pants down in the middle of a road against an ADS and have no cover, Forging/Swarming the **** until it leaves is a damn good idea.

Why not rename the ADS to gunship, get rid of the extra seats then everyone can stop pissing and moaning about it's intended role.

Dropping off passengers is for the normal DS, the ADS doesn't have enough tank.

A tanks counter to an ADS if directly above should be the use of small turrets, which should be given higher elevation

That's not a counter if the pilot can't do it, that's another person helping the Pilot. You want me to require teamwork to shoot back, than require teamwork to shoot.

Oh, I get it. If you're going to QQ this really should be in GD along with the people complaining "that darn sniper rifle dun shot me and ma gun don't fire so far"

That isn't QQ,that is balance. If something should require teamwork to counter something that doesn't, that isn't balanced. If something has to use teamwork to fight something that has to use teamwork to counter it, that is balanced. Prove me wrong.

I like the idea of a ADS (not as a gunship, but as a platform where you can dropoff a small fireteam and give them some tempoary support fire against either infantry and maybe lightly armored vehicles, such as a LAV). Taking them away wouldn't really do anything but hurt the game. However, I don't believe them acting as gunships is a good thing. Hell, I don't think gunships acting as ADS do is a good thing. You shouldn't be able to hover and kill anything with impunity; that's just broken.

No, I'm saying that a DS shouldn't be a ******* gunship, that shouldn't be its role.

Do you not understand that "drops off a small firemteam and gives them temporary support from infantry and lightly armored vehicles means combat support, as in shooting at stuff to support people, but not flying around killing installations and HAV's? lol

Lastly, maneuvering doesn't do jack ****, It's so easy to stay on target, and a ADS doesn't have to be right on top of you to shoot you, it's actually easier to be slightly off center as that is much more stable.

Name 10 low overpasses on each map, and are HAV's faster than ADS's?

Because the ADS has ambushed you, it's snuck up behind you with a shotgun and is having it's way with you

In the same way that if it was across the map or engaging something else you could railgun it oblivion

Edit apply your reasoning to tanks and you have my point

Against a bad tanker, yeah, it is easy. A good tanker really is a different matter.

As an ADS pilot primarily,when I use HAVs I know roughly how to move to evade an ADSs gunfire, usually long enough to either drive them off by getting them in my targets or by reaching an area where I can make it hard to impossible for them to hit me.

As for 10 places:
1 - the entire Caldari Production Facility
2 - half of the Gallente Research Facility
3 - Orbital Artillery] at D3-5; J&K5-6; L-O 8-10; I 13-16. Tons on this one.
4 - Biomass at J7 curving up to F7.
5 - Boulder Rim at D6, B9-10, B11-12, I-J8.
6 - Border Gulch at E7, C8, G-H10, J-K12.
7 - Fracture Road at various low pipelines (G3, G5, H4-5, and more), F10 and H8, under the landing pad at I7.
8 - Iron Delta mostly socket dependant, socket at G5.
9 - Skim Junction
10 - Manus Peak at C8, H6, but mainly socket dependant.
11 - Spine Crescent mostly socket dependant, but the sockets at E-D8 are difficult for dropships to maintain the necessary mobility.
12 - [url=http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65131/1/MN_Craters01_BG01_amb.jpg]Impact Ridge again, mainly socket dependant, but the small pipes at I8, F5, E6 et al are all useful for throwing off a chasing ADS.

Comfortably more than ten and most of the large sockets have areas where you can hide from an attacking ADS while many of the smaller sockets also hold protective areas.

Per map, you ******* ****. Can you read?

EDIT: Most of those the ADS can easily get into, and are also where AV will have a easy time picking you off.

Considering most maps are socket dependant, you can't do per map, unless you go through every conceivable permutation. There are plenty of areas where the HAV can take shelter and utilise cover to throw of the ADS to kick start it's regen and get the opportunity to retaliate.

Being an ******* is unnecessary. I have provided many examples where an HAV can use terrain to their advantage: it's not 'herpderp I'm a redline rail' simple, but neitheris piloting an ADS, despite what you seem to think.


Oh, and as for flying high: have you ever flown? Have you tried hitting an evading enemy from 150m+? Even a target as large as an HAV becomes very difficult to target at that kind of range.

Edit:
To add to the sniper analogy: so you never get killed by snipers? Like, ever? So, you have perfect situational awareness that borders on prescience because you're able to maintain awareness 360 degrees out to about 300m?

Are you even thinking before you type.

Essentially, you don't like the ADS role and want it changed. Evidently, considering this thread's responses, many more people disagree, including some tankers that you ostensibly defend, disagree with you vehemently.

Second, a Gunship is a arial platform that is used to attack ground targets., usually a helicopter, but sometimes being a airplane or jet. And Why I'm not complaining that a DS doesn't get a nerf for transport?

1: That's a silly ******* notion.

2: It needs buffs in that department.

(1) What it boils down to is that I don't like bullshit. Not being able to defend yourself from something is bullshit. You say all of these things, but you've not shown that they are true, as they just lead to the HAV in the end dying.

On top of that, It's not called Gunship, and it still has seats.

Why shouldn't they? Because a transport usually doesn't have enough teeth to threaten a actual combat vehicle, especially a heavily armored one, and logically, that doesn't make sense.

(2) I'm saying that it shouldn't be a real dangerous thing to a HAV, and has its focus towards lighter vehicles and infantry.

(3) I'm simply asking it to be a platform where you can fly in, drop off, shoot at some things in the area to either lower their numbers, scare them off, or put them into cover so whoever you're dropping can get into position or whatever instead of it being a flying murder machine.

There's more that they can do other than kill HAV's and farm infantry, which currently is what they're mainly used for, and not even using their passenger seats, hell, not even their gunners half the time.

(4) Temporarily would mean that if AV or a vehicle turret of some sort started firing back (I would even say heavy weapons in general, they could use a fixing)

Why not rename the ADS to gunship, get rid of the extra seats then everyone can stop pissing and moaning about it's intended role.

Dropping off passengers is for the normal DS, the ADS doesn't have enough tank.

A tanks counter to an ADS if directly above should be the use of small turrets, which should be given higher elevation

That would require a squad of teammates to back you up, which isn't the norm

That would require you to get out of your vehicle, which can either outright kill you or put your HAV at risk

Same as the above

So you've failed.

Dunno about this Godin. If they can remain hovering over me like that they kinda deserve the kill. It's our **** up as tankers, not ADS being too powerful or any such like.

But Assault Dropship just sounds cool.

I totally agree with taking the seats off the ADS though, but if that were to happen I would like there to be a slight buff to the upgrade to ROF.

Do you even tank outside of DUST brah? Almost every gun game in which someone has to man a tank is driven by an Engineer related class so that they could fallback and repair their tank when it gets damaged or a Heavy Assault who can jump out and finish the opposing infantry/tanker/vehicle in a duel. And yes, ADS - Assault Dropship is meant to assault. They buffed the regular dropship so it could transport infantry and there used to be a Logi dropship which could function in a similar manner. There's nothing OP about ADS right now. It can be destroyed in seconds as the rep rate doesn't outpace the damage being done to it, so I think you failed. Swarms and Installations on the other hand, are a different story.

I think OP is a bad tank pilot. I also think OP doesn't realize ADS costs the same as his proto'd up tank with a much, much lower TTK.

An ADS is a Dropship, yet it's preforming like a gunship, and is only used as a Gunship.

You think, you think, you think. First off, I was looking from the persepective of BOTH sides (something most of you fail to do), and I observe as well. This is my conclusion, which you fucks seem to not understand:

An ADS hovering over a HAV will have an absolute advantage, as the HAV can't fight back, only hope that the ADS can't fly worth a **** to stay on target (a easy thing to do).

An ADS is a Dropship, yet it's preforming like a gunship, and is only used as a Gunship.

Tell me how often you see a Railgun ADS dominating both vehicles and infantry, and if a missile ADS is destroying every HAV in sight without any threats present, then the enemy team is simply trash.

8 seconds is the time it take to empty a small missile clip: I didn't say 8 seconds to kill, because that threatens only absolute shitfits - 8 missiles is 4004 damage. An unfit Sica takes 6 XT-1 missiles to completely strip shields and the remaining two do not destroy all of its armour. That's a completely unfit Sica. A completely unfit Soma takes three to strip shields, then the remaining five still don't kill it.

If the tank driver knows how to fit a vehicle they will either be resisting the damage much more, have a far larger buffer and/or having great regen. An ADS, and bear in mind the above numbers are assuming max ADS skills (both Racial and Base), takes a healthy length of time to actually threaten a decently fit HAV with destruction.

You continue to parade around with extreme vehemence (like constantly calling us ******* fucks) yet continue to ignore the issues and balances in place. ADSs do not completely stomp on any and everything.

Consider the following fit:
Madrugar
ADV Armour Rep (112.5/sec)
ADV Armour Plate (1450 Armour: totals 5450 armour; 1200 shields)
ADV Armour Hardener
STD Large Missile Turret

The Madrugar has god awful fitting at the moment, but the above fit takes:
3 XT-1s to break shields: 3.06 seconds for 1200 damage to shields; 18 damage to armour
5 XT-1s over 5.1 seconds deals 3030 damage to armour; -5.1 seconds worth of reps (@112.5/sec) for a total of 2456.25 damage to armour without a hardener.
3 second reload (max Small Missile Rapid Reload) is a further 337.5 reps; total damage to armour is now 2118.75.

Assuming the Maddy pilot responds within the 11.16 seconds it has now been under fire for by activating it's hardener, the following happens:
8 XT-1s deal 3636 damage to armour over 8.16 seconds; reduced by 918 to 2718 more damage and a total of 4836.75 total damage to armour done over 19.32 seconds assuming perfect accuracy on the ADSs part.

4429.5 (22.32 seconds elapsed) damage to armour after the second reload.
4884 (23.38 seconds; 17th XT-1) -112.5 = 4771.5
5226 (24.44 seconds; 18th) -112.5 = 5113.5 damage to armour.
Missile 19, at 25.5 seconds elapsed, destroys this average fit Maddy.

The Maddy is generally considered wildly underperforming considering that the Gunny has far, far superior fitting capacity, yet this relatively average Maddy fit takes a total of 25+ seconds to destroy assuming perfect accuracy/awful evasive action.



Are you seriously suggesting that ADSs are over performing? They are a hybrid Dropship/Gunship. They have a capacity smaller than the dedicated normal Dropship and have increased offensive capabilities. As shown above, an ADS fitting for anti-infantry (missiles) will not destroy even the weaker of the two main HAVs in short order, and an ADS fitting Railguns for faster HAV destruction is most definitely not destroying all forms of infantry.

Find a better argument.

At that point it's not a Dropship. Do you not know what a Dropship is?