Strafing is OP because it is not realistic. Caldari scouts can a strafe like crazy and have high hp due to shields. You might be inclined to say this is not realistic as shields are weightless but the alternative is reducing caldari suits speed as it is in eve where they are the slowest of ships.

Also hit detection is abused by starting.

The idea is not to nerf shields but fix strafing.

Caldari scout OPness, might someone say

Dear Players,

We are going to add separate strafe penalties to HP modules. We will not be reducing normal speed, nor running speed, only left-right speed, making the "dodging" of bullets more difficult, and Sentinels lack of mobility to become a real vulnerability when stacking eHP.

The calculations will theoretically be based off of relative mass (Scouts) and total mass (Sentinels). Medium Frames will not be affected as much as these two. Basic Frames may end up not having any penalties at all.

This is quite blunt, but it's been a long time coming.

Extenders and Armor Plates are obviously the focus here, and Reactives and Ferroscales may be omitted in the first pass.

P.S. Medium speeds may get shaken up in light of the Assault HP boost , Logistics may get a speed boost, Commandos as well, Assault speed reduction, all very small.

With everything that has to do with heavies, I think most people would WANT do make heavies suffer more. They are to powerful. They get so many kills yet are hard do kill. And don't get me wrong either. I'm not against heavies. I play ALL ROLES mostly scout and heavy. Heavies are to good for cqc. They need this to be applied in full. They need some suffrage.

If we get strafe penalties on our Shield Extenders we RIOT

Ok, so I've been reading through all the arguments for this thread and I've come to the conclusion that CCP's original idea for fixing strafing will not work unless something is also done about shield penalties... Meaning the following:

!) For BOTH armor plates and shields extenders, they should be changed to a percentage system so that they become more tailored to the dropsuit they are being fitted on. This way "brick tanking" things that should be releatively lower EHP will not happen.

2) Imposing a movement penalty (ie. speed/strafe/mass) is good for armor plates and makes sense, however it does NOT make sense for shields.

3) For shield extenders, there should be one or possibly two drawbacks (and NOT have the recharge delay as one of them)... First they should affect the signature of the dropsuit so that they are almost one class size larger for detection purposes (light goes to medium, medium to heavy, heavy to LAV, LAV to HAV, HAV... welll no one hides those). Second it should increase the HITBOX of the dropsuit such that they are easier to HIT by players. These two changes would effectively mimic the drawback of shield extenders in EVE for spaceships. In EVE, adding armor plates adds mass, greater mass reduces top speed, acceration, and agility (turning/alignment time). In EVE, adding shield extenders makes the ship's signature radius bloom to a larger size and thus guns that would normally not be able to track and hit the smaller ships are subsequently able to do so.

This sort of change would be a BETTER and more comprehensive FIX for the situation that has caused this line of discussion.

Caldari scout OPness, might someone say

In DUST, not EVE, why would shield power generators not have weight/mass, even though the shield, being energy, would be weightless?

The idea would be to normalize the strafe penalty on HP added. Why would that be unfair? With Extenders granting lower HP than Plates, obviously we would be talking about way lower penalties. Dual brick tanking should, however, be extremely slowing.

Someone said, just make them all strafe slower, but that "is" punishing everyone for the sins of the few.

In DUST, not EVE, why would shield power generators not have weight/mass, even though the shield, being energy, would be weightless?

The idea would be to normalize the strafe penalty on HP added. Why would that be unfair? With Extenders granting lower HP than Plates, obviously we would be talking about way lower penalties. Dual brick tanking should, however, be extremely slowing.

Someone said, just make them all strafe slower, but that "is" punishing everyone for the sins of the few.

extender stacking is also under the scope

In DUST, not EVE, why would shield power generators not have weight/mass, even though the shield, being energy, would be weightless?

The idea would be to normalize the strafe penalty on HP added. Why would that be unfair? With Extenders granting lower HP than Plates, obviously we would be talking about way lower penalties. Dual brick tanking should, however, be extremely slowing.

Someone said, just make them all strafe slower, but that "is" punishing everyone for the sins of the few.

In DUST, not EVE, why would shield power generators not have weight/mass, even though the shield, being energy, would be weightless?

Dear Players,

We are going to add separate strafe penalties to HP modules. We will not be reducing normal speed, nor running speed, only left-right speed, making the "dodging" of bullets more difficult, and Sentinels lack of mobility to become a real vulnerability when stacking eHP.

The calculations will theoretically be based off of relative mass (Scouts) and total mass (Sentinels). Medium Frames will not be affected as much as these two. Basic Frames may end up not having any penalties at all.

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Couple of things - are you suggesting that my brick tanked Amarr Sentinel is too quick to hit? They're already quite vulnerable, especially when brick tanked.

Additionally, it sounds like two different calculations to penalize both Scouts and Sents the same for a given shield plate. If this is the case, are you planning to implement different plates for each class? ie - light basic plates with less hp than heavy basic plates?
If not, I'm struggling with how a heavy would suffer equally with a light for a given mass increase.

This is a bad idea. The only reason shield tanking is viable is because they have higher strafe speeds than armor tanked suits. Armor plates already have a more than sufficient strafe penalty. I'd recommend just reducing heavies and scouts base strafe speeds and not touching any other stats.

It simply doesn't make sense to me that Shield mods would affect strafe speed at all; Armor mods, yeah, that make complete sense, Shield mods don't.

In DUST, not EVE, why would shield power generators not have weight/mass, even though the shield, being energy, would be weightless?

The idea would be to normalize the strafe penalty on HP added. Why would that be unfair? With Extenders granting lower HP than Plates, obviously we would be talking about way lower penalties. Dual brick tanking should, however, be extremely slowing.

Someone said, just make them all strafe slower, but that "is" punishing everyone for the sins of the few.