Dear Players,

We are going to add separate strafe penalties to HP modules. We will not be reducing normal speed, nor running speed, only left-right speed, making the "dodging" of bullets more difficult, and Sentinels lack of mobility to become a real vulnerability when stacking eHP.

The calculations will theoretically be based off of relative mass (Scouts) and total mass (Sentinels). Medium Frames will not be affected as much as these two. Basic Frames may end up not having any penalties at all.

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Your suit may be fatter but your clone isn't. More burden more hp more slow

extenders have no penalties in eve,

they should have no penalties here,

this is the dumbest thing ive ever heard, i dont even use shields. theyre completely broken cause they dont rep passively.

strafing is a skill. why are we trying to nerf it.

if anything there needs to be an inertia modifier which eve has.
why are we doing things that arent in eve.

Can we stop applying EVELogic to DUST?

Please? I'm sure the Army's strategy and gear it uses is different in use and philosophy then The navy.

Infantry troops and tanks=/= Battleships.

extenders have no penalties in eve apart from sig.

they should have no penalties here, we dont even have target painters or anything like that.

this is the dumbest thing ive ever heard, i dont even use shields. theyre completely broken cause they dont rep passively already.

strafing is a skill and a staple of first person shooters. it shouldnt be penalized in the first place.

if anything there needs to be an inertia modifier which eve has.
maybe make it so if you strafe for too long it compounds and slows you down.
or when your in a deadsprint. you slide a little when you try to stop.
why are we doing things that arent in eve.

and if ferroscales have 0% movement penalties they should in absolutely no way affect strafing.
just give the scouts a larger inertia modifier cause theyre faster.
they cant strafe.
slow down how fast a heavy suit can turn.

Ok, so this might be a stupid question but I have to ask it.

Can someone please define "gungame"?

I tried googling it and all I got for hits were references to a CS mod

So aim/rate of fire is gungame?

Cause that is what your example is telling me

So it is something nebulous that is easily attributed to luck?

So just to sum up the reasons why doing this change to BOTH armor and shields is bad...

1 - If you give both armor and shields the same penalty, you take choices and options for emergent gamplay away from the players.

2 - If you give both armor and shields the same penalty, then you make dual tanking more viable as an option.

3 - Why have a difference between shields and armor to begin with? Why not combine them and make them the same then?

4 - Making them the same takes away some of the "flavor" or differences in the different factions... again, why have different factions if they are the same?

5 - It doesn't address the real problem which is that scouts have a combination of small hitbox with faster speeds and can still HP tank on top of that. Combine that with the failures in lag/latency/hit-detection in this game as well as the limitations of a PS3 controller and you created the "perfect storm" of OP'ness that has created this issue.

Fix ideas:

1 - Change the hitbox on scouts.

2 - Implement speed/strafe penaltyfor armor tank mods, but at the same time implement EWAR/hitbox penalty for shield tank mods.

3 - Reduce racial base speeds for suits to effectively nerf this issue... again until the next time it creeps back into the game.

4 - Add in a new mechanic where damage done is reduced the faster you are moving... As in if you stand still and hit your target then you get maximum damage potential, but if you are moving/strafing at high speeds, then your damage gets reduced by up to 50% max when you do score a hit.

5 - Right now people are favoring the EWAR only penalty for shields, but I doubt that alone will fix the issue completely as they will still be able to move super fast in close ranges and dance dance their way to shotgunning heaven.

There's probably more, but this is a better start at the issue rather than what you guys are already implementing because I know that at the point you've started these discussions here on the forums, you've already gone through multiple meetings etc back at the offices in Shanghai and have already decided that this is the path you are going to use anyways unless a HGUE issue is found.

Well CCP Rattati, this is us the playerbase telling you that there *IS* a HUGE issue with applying the SAME PENALTY to both armor tanking AND shield tanking.

So it is something nebulous that is easily attributed to luck?

This would just encourage spray and pray play.

"Haha, I don't even really need to hit you to kill you!!"

Hitbox increase is a can of worms that will bite us in the ass if it is opened.

FPSes are based on shooting and moving.

We have Aim Assist to take care of the shooting.

Now we're going to nerf strafing to take care of that pesky "moving" business.

Wow.

If you can't aim, and you can't hit a moving target, you're probably playing the wrong genre.

So now we're at the core of the issue.

Strafe reduction is bandaid over bad network prediction and hit detection code.

The problem with gimping strafe speed is that TTK will go even lower, and make this game even more of a "first shot wins" situation.

Screw this ridiculous bandaid.