Inertia is theoretically on the list, just never had a dev grace the topic with a response.

Not even a "we're looking at trying to do this."

extender stacking is also under the scope

FPSes are based on shooting and moving.

We have Aim Assist to take care of the shooting.

Now we're going to nerf strafing to take care of that pesky "moving" business.

Wow.

If you can't aim, and you can't hit a moving target, you're probably playing the wrong genre.

You know, it's not really like Rattati to make announcements without numbers. I wonder if he's just trolling us to see what kind of sh*t-storm he can stir up, lol
Throw out an obviously controversial topic and let us run with the bait...

This is a bad idea. The only reason shield tanking is viable is because they have higher strafe speeds than armor tanked suits. Armor plates already have a more than sufficient strafe penalty. I'd recommend just reducing heavies and scouts base strafe speeds and not touching any other stats.

Wow. So when I clearly see that I'm passing through your stream of fire and not taking damage then I should call that my skillful strafing.
If you intentionally maneuver such that my aim is off (juking in American Football), good for you because that is a talent. When your maneuvering consists of exploiting a broken mechanic that fails to register damage, that's hardly in the same league.

Ok, so I've been reading through all the arguments for this thread and I've come to the conclusion that CCP's original idea for fixing strafing will not work unless something is also done about shield penalties... Meaning the following:

!) For BOTH armor plates and shields extenders, they should be changed to a percentage system so that they become more tailored to the dropsuit they are being fitted on. This way "brick tanking" things that should be releatively lower EHP will not happen.

2) Imposing a movement penalty (ie. speed/strafe/mass) is good for armor plates and makes sense, however it does NOT make sense for shields.

3) For shield extenders, there should be one or possibly two drawbacks (and NOT have the recharge delay as one of them)... First they should affect the signature of the dropsuit so that they are almost one class size larger for detection purposes (light goes to medium, medium to heavy, heavy to LAV, LAV to HAV, HAV... welll no one hides those). Second it should increase the HITBOX of the dropsuit such that they are easier to HIT by players. These two changes would effectively mimic the drawback of shield extenders in EVE for spaceships. In EVE, adding armor plates adds mass, greater mass reduces top speed, acceration, and agility (turning/alignment time). In EVE, adding shield extenders makes the ship's signature radius bloom to a larger size and thus guns that would normally not be able to track and hit the smaller ships are subsequently able to do so.

This sort of change would be a BETTER and more comprehensive FIX for the situation that has caused this line of discussion.

I like this idea too. This discussion is becoming very interesting in its suggestions. This is why i love the forums, so many minds attacking an issue from all different experiences and opinions.

Right now I am on board with a strafe speed adjustment and the armor and shield stuff mentioned above.

I'm not the only one, thank you bro

The only reason cal scouts seem overpowered is because of hit box issues. There's no need to destroy an entire tanking style because one suit has a broken hit box.

how long have we been telling CCP the scout hit boxes are stupid?
how long have they said basically that theyre are working as intended?

The CalScout hitbox isn't stupid or broken. It is magical.

how long have we been telling CCP the scout hit boxes are stupid?

how long have they said basically that theyre are working as intended?

now they say the same exact scout we have been complaining about for months is suddenly OP, but not because of the hit box, its because shield extenders are OP?

GTFO

Rattati all the ideas you've had so far have been pretty on point, but I really think messing with the already severely clunky movement DUST 514 has is going to only make things worse for everyone.

Back when we had the super fast strafe speed this game was A LOT more fun and intense because everything felt a lot more fast paced. It was not balanced, and we sulked but adjusted to it. I know you want to bring balance to Scouts and you're desperately looking at all these things Scouts are good at and just looking to tune all of them back one by one until your stats start to say that Scouts are killing and dying just as much as any other suit, but I really think you're not searching in the right places.

If you mess with something as integral as "strafe speed" in a first person shooter you go down that route of just making the game more and more clunky. The movement in this game already suffers from getting caught on corners, hills, random geometry, and just overall feeling really floaty.

Rattati, Scouts became broken in 1.8 because (a) active scanner nerf (b) Scout EWAR buff. You've already solved the problem of bringing balance to Scouts amongst eachother but the problem remains of EWAR being too powerful and exclusive to them. Now, the reason it is overpowered is because this game will put a red chevron above everyone's head who's around you if your scanners pick them up. You are given the EXACT location of an enemy as a Scout. This simple piece of information completely changes the encounter and is what makes playing a Scout incredibly powerful in this game.

If you were to do one thing to balance Scouts and EWAR altogether would be to remove the chevrons that appear on your screen. Make passive scanning exclusive to your radar (that thing in the top left of the screen). Scouts would then still have the EWAR advantage because they would know ahead that there are enemies nearby because their suit picks up a signature, but their exact location would still require the Scout to get visual contact and thus exposing himself. Right now that's the problem. I can play a Caldari Scout and I never have to make myself vulnerable because the game tells me exactly where I need to be to not be in line of sight. I can dance around a pole with a Heavy and have him never see me because the game tells me exactly where he is behind it. Preemptively knowing exactly where to shoot and always getting the first shot is the problem with Scouts. I don't know how else to stress this, but it's desperately what needs to be addressed.

This game would benefit tremendously from this one simple change to passive scans, and I guarantee you'd see a sharp drop in the number of Scouts you see dominating games. Please don't mess with movement speed, especially if it's reducing it.

Rattati all the ideas you've had so far have been pretty on point, but I really think messing with the already severely clunky movement DUST 514 has is going to only make things worse for everyone.

Back when we had the super fast strafe speed this game was A LOT more fun and intense because everything felt a lot more fast paced. It was not balanced, and we sulked but adjusted to it. I know you want to bring balance to Scouts and you're desperately looking at all these things Scouts are good at and just looking to tune all of them back one by one until your stats start to say that Scouts are killing and dying just as much as any other suit, but I really think you're not searching in the right places.

If you mess with something as integral as "strafe speed" in a first person shooter you go down that route of just making the game more and more clunky. The movement in this game already suffers from getting caught on corners, hills, random geometry, and just overall feeling really floaty.

Rattati, Scouts became broken in 1.8 because (a) active scanner nerf (b) Scout EWAR buff. You've already solved the problem of bringing balance to Scouts amongst eachother but the problem remains of EWAR being too powerful and exclusive to them. Now, the reason it is overpowered is because this game will put a red chevron above everyone's head who's around you if your scanners pick them up. You are given the EXACT location of an enemy as a Scout. This simple piece of information completely changes the encounter and is what makes playing a Scout incredibly powerful in this game.

If you were to do one thing to balance Scouts and EWAR altogether would be to remove the chevrons that appear on your screen. Make passive scanning exclusive to your radar (that thing in the top left of the screen). Scouts would then still have the EWAR advantage because they would know ahead that there are enemies nearby because their suit picks up a signature, but their exact location would still require the Scout to get visual contact and thus exposing himself. Right now that's the problem. I can play a Caldari Scout and I never have to make myself vulnerable because the game tells me exactly where I need to be to not be in line of sight. I can dance around a pole with a Heavy and have him never see me because the game tells me exactly where he is behind it. Preemptively knowing exactly where to shoot and always getting the first shot is the problem with Scouts. I don't know how else to stress this, but it's desperately what needs to be addressed.

This game would benefit tremendously from this one simple change to passive scans, and I guarantee you'd see a sharp drop in the number of Scouts you see dominating games. Please don't mess with movement speed, especially if it's reducing it.