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CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 11732	Posted - 2014.11.19 16:12:00 - [1] - Quote Dear Players, We are going to add separate strafe penalties to HP modules. We will not be reducing normal speed, nor running speed, only left-right speed, making the "dodging" of bullets more difficult, and Sentinels lack of mobility to become a real vulnerability when stacking eHP. The calculations will theoretically be based off of relative mass (Scouts) and total mass (Sentinels). Medium Frames will not be affected as much as these two. Basic Frames may end up not having any penalties at all. This is quite blunt, but it's been a long time coming. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Syeven Reed T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 996	Posted - 2014.11.19 16:15:00 - [2] - Quote Very happy about this! SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED EvE - 21 Day Trial
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4942	Posted - 2014.11.19 16:16:00 - [3] - Quote HP modules, as in, shield extenders and armor plating? My advice to you, playa...
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS VP Gaming Alliance 672	Posted - 2014.11.19 16:21:00 - [4] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: HP modules, as in, shield extenders and armor plating? im assuming only for armor plates, as extenders dont have movement penalties
shaman oga The Dunwich Horror 3242	Posted - 2014.11.19 16:24:00 - [5] - Quote Will you reduce speed based on frame size? E.G. adv plate on light frame greater penalty than adv plate on heavy frame? I know it's not the best argument but, irl things goes this way, tough guys suffer less from big burdens than thin guys.
NextDark Knight molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 614	Posted - 2014.11.19 16:29:00 - [6] - Quote Unless shields are getting a crazy hp buff they should never have a penalty to movement. Now a different shield module that multiply my shields at the cost of bigger shield hitbox then we might be talking. But only a new module as current modules are fine. Over 60+ Million SP and full proto in all Caldari Suits. Dust just won't die on PS3/Xbox. Dustin since 6/29/2012
Kain Spero Goonfeet 3847	Posted - 2014.11.19 16:29:00 - [7] - Quote If this is implemented I do think that should modify KinCats to buff strafe speed. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 5154	Posted - 2014.11.19 16:29:00 - [8] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Dear Players, We are going to add separate strafe penalties to HP modules. We will not be reducing normal speed, nor running speed, only left-right speed, making the "dodging" of bullets more difficult, and Sentinels lack of mobility to become a real vulnerability when stacking eHP. The calculations will theoretically be based off of relative mass (Scouts) and total mass (Sentinels). Medium Frames will not be affected as much as these two. Basic Frames may end up not having any penalties at all. This is quite blunt, but it's been a long time coming. Extenders and Armor Plates are obviously the focus here, and Reactives and Ferroscales may be omitted in the first pass. P.S. Medium speeds may get shaken up in light of the Assault HP boost , Logistics may get a speed boost, Commandos as well, Assault speed reduction, all very small. Inertia possibility in future? EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 11736	Posted - 2014.11.19 16:31:00 - [9] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: If this is implemented I do think that should modify KinCats to buff strafe speed. or myofibs ;) "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 11736	Posted - 2014.11.19 16:32:00 - [10] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: HP modules, as in, shield extenders and armor plating? im assuming only for armor plates, as extenders dont have movement penalties extender stacking is also under the scope "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


NextDark Knight molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 614	Posted - 2014.11.19 16:36:00 - [11] - Quote Cardiac Stimulant could use a buff with some added melee damage :) CCP Rattati wrote: Kain Spero wrote: If this is implemented I do think that should modify KinCats to buff strafe speed. or myofibs ;) Over 60+ Million SP and full proto in all Caldari Suits. Dust just won't die on PS3/Xbox. Dustin since 6/29/2012
jhon hartigan Dead Man's Game RUST415 407	Posted - 2014.11.19 16:38:00 - [12] - Quote Reserved
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS VP Gaming Alliance 672	Posted - 2014.11.19 16:43:00 - [13] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: HP modules, as in, shield extenders and armor plating? im assuming only for armor plates, as extenders dont have movement penalties extender stacking is also under the scope why? im curious. what problem do they cause?
BL4CKST4R La Muerte Eterna Dark Taboo 3357	Posted - 2014.11.19 16:50:00 - [14] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: HP modules, as in, shield extenders and armor plating? im assuming only for armor plates, as extenders dont have movement penalties extender stacking is also under the scope why? im curious. what problem do they cause? EDIT: if you were to add a penalty to extenders, the only one that makes sense coming from EVE is a penalty to scan profile. But if you do that then shield tanking would need to be looked at again. i can already think of a bunch of issues with that, especially for caldari. but that could be easily fixed with adding a bonus to regulators to offset the extender penalty. Because you can break strafing with extenders to supercalifragilisticexpialidocious

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 11741	Posted - 2014.11.19 16:51:00 - [15] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: HP modules, as in, shield extenders and armor plating? im assuming only for armor plates, as extenders dont have movement penalties extender stacking is also under the scope why? im curious. what problem do they cause? EDIT: if you were to add a penalty to extenders, the only one that makes sense coming from EVE is a penalty to scan profile. But if you do that then shield tanking would need to be looked at again. i can already think of a bunch of issues with that, especially for caldari. but that could be easily fixed with adding a bonus to regulators to offset the extender penalty. Caldari scout OPness, might someone say "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Jadd Hatchen KILL-EM-QUICK 646	Posted - 2014.11.19 16:58:00 - [16] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: P.S. Medium speeds may get shaken up in light of the Assault HP boost , Logistics may get a speed boost, Commandos as well, Assault speed reduction, all very small. Okay first you state the issue and then you come up with a good plan to fix the issue and they you CREATE A LOOPHOLE THAT NULLIFIES YOUR FIX?????!!!! Seriously if you apply it to only heavies and all mediums except for logistics dropsuits, then guess what players will do? Oh they will return to the days of the logi-slayers! Of course! If you make this change,then make it apply game-wide to all suits. Making exceptions is what breaks the game balance. If it is mass based as you say, then that implies it should be a defining part of the physics in your game and thus Scotty would shame you for trying to break those laws! Shame on you CCP!!!
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 5154	Posted - 2014.11.19 16:58:00 - [17] - Quote is adding inertia an option? that'd hack the strafe crap down like a broadsword combined with plate strafe penalties. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
NextDark Knight molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 615	Posted - 2014.11.19 17:03:00 - [18] - Quote Can we just delete the cal scout so you don't mess up my heavy and assault suits anymore then you already have with the current set of changes? Maybe larger hitbox for each extender only for the scout class? Over 60+ Million SP and full proto in all Caldari Suits. Dust just won't die on PS3/Xbox. Dustin since 6/29/2012
Isa Lucifer Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 98	Posted - 2014.11.19 17:07:00 - [19] - Quote Inertia based feature that Ripley Riley suggested is something you guys should look at, not so much for DUST but for LEGION. Inertia would really be linked to the future jetpack https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkyOkFE5z7I (Starting at 0:56) I do not agree that Shield Tanking should suffer the negative impacts of physical speed, but instead should have a bigger Profile detection. Example; a triple stacked Shield Extension Caldari Heavy should be the easiest to look at on the outer circle; https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=181381&find=unread That is my opinion on the subject you present on this topic. Amarr Victor
shaman oga The Dunwich Horror 3245	Posted - 2014.11.19 17:12:00 - [20] - Quote Being an elettromagnetic field, shield extender penalty should be something related to EW. If we want to keep it logical, if not idk, it's up to the devs.

NextDark Knight molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 615	Posted - 2014.11.19 17:15:00 - [21] - Quote In eve its Signature radius for a extender penalty Over 60+ Million SP and full proto in all Caldari Suits. Dust just won't die on PS3/Xbox. Dustin since 6/29/2012
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 1912	Posted - 2014.11.19 17:18:00 - [22] - Quote Does this include backward movement speed...........................please? Circle/figure 8 strafing will likely be just as effective with high HP mods. My Youtube Biomassed Podcast
Piercing Serenity PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 703	Posted - 2014.11.19 17:20:00 - [23] - Quote Jadd Hatchen wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: P.S. Medium speeds may get shaken up in light of the Assault HP boost , Logistics may get a speed boost, Commandos as well, Assault speed reduction, all very small. Okay first you state the issue and then you come up with a good plan to fix the issue and they you CREATE A LOOPHOLE THAT NULLIFIES YOUR FIX?????!!!! Seriously if you apply it to only heavies and all mediums except for logistics dropsuits, then guess what players will do? Oh they will return to the days of the logi-slayers! Of course! If you make this change,then make it apply game-wide to all suits. Making exceptions is what breaks the game balance. If it is mass based as you say, then that implies it should be a defining part of the physics in your game and thus Scotty would shame you for trying to break those laws! Shame on you CCP!!! I am always surprised when I read post like this - one that reflects so little reading comprehension that I am truly baffled. Here is the current EHP layout by class, the combination of armor and shield strength, from greatest to least: Sentinel Commando Assault Logistics Scout Here is the actual speed layout by class, from greatest to least: Scout Assault Logistics Commando Sentinel As you can see, the position of the logistics class doesn't make sense. It has less EHP than an assault, yet it is slower than the assault. If a mass based system were to be implemented, it would require that logistics become faster than they currently are, and that assaults become slower than they currently. This would yield the following ranking of speed <--> EHP, where 1 is high speed and 5 is high EHP Scout Logistics Assault Commando Sentinel TL:DR - Speed changes would be required for the mass based system to make sense with the current EHP values of the suits as they are. We won't be returning to Slayer logis if they get a little faster. What it will likely mean is that logis will be able to rep more classes than just a heavy because they can keep up. Closed Beta Vet (E3 Build), Former PFBHz Best Corps Battled (Personally): Imperfects, TeamPlayers, Hellstorm
shaman oga The Dunwich Horror 3245	Posted - 2014.11.19 17:21:00 - [24] - Quote Sidenote: Please Rattati don't nerf Myofibs melee, i want to keep punching mercs in the face! Or if you nerf it, add ballistic fist as a weapon, so i will stop ruining my DS3 analog stick
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command 849	Posted - 2014.11.19 17:26:00 - [25] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Caldari scout OPness, might someone say I don't think this is an elegant solution to the problem at all. I'd much rather like to wait until eWar efficacy bonuses for scouts are in. Even if that takes a month or two. I want eWar scouts to work as eWar scouts and I want light assaults to work as light assaults. I don't want light assault fitted scouts to also work as eWar scouts. So let's wait for the efficacy bonuses to fix that. I'm the first to support a Scout-debuff (as in undoing the 1.8 Scout buff) but I just can't see this change work out positively for the game.
Spartan MK420 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 537	Posted - 2014.11.19 17:58:00 - [26] - Quote That's great and all, but I figured closing the gap in straffe acceleration between ds3 and kb/m users would be a good idea too :p Support Assault changes
Francois Sanchez Prima Gallicus 148	Posted - 2014.11.19 18:20:00 - [27] - Quote Adding penalty to shield extenders and not to ferroscale plates isn't right as ferroscale give you more HP than equal tier exenders (that btw use much more CPU PG) Moreover that penalty to shield extenders doesn' t make sense, an ewar penakty would be more logical. I know strafing cal scout is BS but you're not attacking the right problem, the true problem is that the Cal scout hitbox is broken and all light and medium suits base strafe speeds are way too high (or add inertia)
RedPencil Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 134	Posted - 2014.11.19 18:45:00 - [28] - Quote Approved ! To be fare, If you include shield extend, I would like to see penalty on Reactives and Ferroscales too. Beware Paper cut M[;..;]M
Cass Caul 1625	Posted - 2014.11.19 18:58:00 - [29] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Dear Players, We are going to add separate strafe penalties to HP modules. We will not be reducing normal speed, nor running speed, only left-right speed, making the "dodging" of bullets more difficult, and Sentinels lack of mobility to become a real vulnerability when stacking eHP. The calculations will theoretically be based off of relative mass (Scouts) and total mass (Sentinels). Medium Frames will not be affected as much as these two. Basic Frames may end up not having any penalties at all. This is quite blunt, but it's been a long time coming. Extenders and Armor Plates are obviously the focus here, and Reactives and Ferroscales may be omitted in the first pass. P.S. Medium speeds may get shaken up in light of the Assault HP boost , Logistics may get a speed boost, Commandos as well, Assault speed reduction, all very small. The title say ffedback, how is this a discussion at all? think, as long as aim adhesion on rifles is as strong as it is that this is just a terrible idea. Increase strafe penalties will really only further to decrease the level of skill in this game. It's already laughable how easy it is to run around in a C-I Assault, with no modules outside a STD nanohive and kill players in ADV and PRO with my SMG You might as well just put "stun on hit" and go back to 1.6's Aim Assist because it's effectiveness is the same thing: Aiming is a skill, inhibiting the ability to break out of aim-assisst should only further drop the level of enjoyment from vets as the game moves back to "I saw you first, I win." On Hiatus. This is my smartphone alt
Killer's Coys Prima Gallicus 152	Posted - 2014.11.19 19:08:00 - [30] - Quote Hum... Yeah I think it's a good idea, but I can't understand several things... 1) Ok, I agree with the logi (and commando but that's not the problem) I can understand logi "must be as fast as the assaults" But why nerf the assault's speed ? Do you thing they are OP ? Usually, you only nerf things when they are OP, so are assaults OP ? I think they aren't. So I don't understand the assault speed nerf (even if it's just "a bit") Give to the logi the same speed as the assaults (7.00 for Gal and Cal for example) 2) Straff penality for shield extender What would become the advantage to be a shield tanker compared to be an armor tanker if they have both a straff penality ? Is the objective not to fit any HP mod anymore ? 3) Why shouldn't have the ferro plates a straff speed penality too ? ferro are plates, so it's ON the dropsuit, normaly it would have a straff penality Complex shield extender >< complex ferro plate 66HP >< 75HP 54CPU >< 23 CPU 11PG >< 8PG 7% shield regu penality >< any penality And you're adding x% straff speed penality >< 0 Don't you see a problem ? It would become more easy to tank armor with ferro plates (AND YOU WANNA ADD ARMOR RESISTANCE MODS) than be a shield tanker Because Shield tankers are made to be good straffers if they don't put plate mods I'm gonna take the most normal example : Assaults - nerf the speed - add straff speed penality ====> BIG assault nerf (I think, I always play with the assault's speed, but if you nerf it, assault would be nerfed a lot (my opinion)). Assaults are slayers, slayers like them must have a great speed and straff speed. Think what you wanna think. That's what I think. Welcome to CAMPER 514 The game where you never touch the ground.



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