I came up with an idea. One of the problems with scouts is that their ewar is so good, and it is always on. I made a post about how I disliked the idea of cloak fields reducing scan range as it cancels out your ewar skills and mods to have it active. THis means you're less likely to use them, and more likely to brick out instead of use things they get bonuses to. What if instead things went like this:

1. Take scout's base ewar range to 10m, and increase their profile to 40db.
2. Add a multiplier to scanning range while cloaked, and add a minimum cloak duration (maybe 3 seconds).
3. (optional) Increase cloak dampening by 5% per tier (or add +1% cloak field dampening per level of the cloak field skill)

This gives scouts 2 modes. Combat ready with relatively poor ewar, and defenseless, high ewar mode. You can cloak up to gather information, but to engage an enemy you loose ewar effectiveness. A minimum cloak duration prevents quick activation so you can't just get quick pulses of intel, and it encourages use of better cloak fields for scouting. You can possibly scale ewar range bonus to equipment tier, or add different types of cloaks with different modifiers to duration, range, dampening, cooldown etc.

In short, scouts will be encouraged to use their scout cloak field bonus. They can provide intel and be stealthy (what scouts want) but only temporarily. Any scout that wants to be a stealthy brawler can try, but they won't have the massive ewar stats while doing it.

I'm really liking this idea,but I was wondering. Do the dropsuit ewar skills apply to the base value without starting the stacking penalty process, or do the dropsuit skills count as an additional penalized modifier?

Skills only affect the base number, and stacking penalties then apply against a higher base, but do not inflict further stacking penalties.

We're also still dealing with residual effects of the scout suit going from 45 profile to 35 profile way back when they got their buffs.

I see the first passenger on the short-bus has arrived.
See that underlined, bolded, and italicized part? You're clearly making things up as you go or are completely ignorant of what the numbers were for Scout's Scan Profile pre-1.8.

The old Role Bonus for Scouts was -5% per level to Scan Profile.
What that did, was take that base 45 and multiply it by 0.75, which would bring the Scout's Profile, assuming level 5 in that specific dropsuit operation skill, to 33.33. That got rounded down to 33 as all EWAR values are rounded to the nearest whole number.

So, in fact, the Scan Proflie from 1.7 to 1.8 received a nerf.

The real change, was the addition of racial scout bonus to precision and the Gal-logi bonus to active scanner precision, because if the Scouts's had kept base 45 precision and no racial bonus existed, the abysmally bad active scanner would still have been spammed just as much as it was during 1.5-1.7.

Now for the numbers.

We are in uncharted territory, if you will, the combinations of dropsuits and modules, who scans whom, how and when. I asked our resident EWAR expert, Haerr to setup a dynamic spreadsheet where the final numbers can be browsed, with the exact number of complex modules needed to evade scans at different scan radii.

We donGÇÖt have those numbers nailed down yet, but we have the framework to discuss them here. In this spreadsheet we have some preliminary numbers to play with. Those can and will be changed. There may be other changes that are deemed necessary, such as Scout Skills (Amarr, Caldari, Gallente), Dropsuit Skills (all 3) or even Modules (looking at you mr. Amplifier).

This is all, we believe, for the greater good of DUST 514. The CPM has called for it, the Community has called for it and CCP has wanted it for a long time.

LetGÇÖs discuss calmly and have a bit of fun with this. ItGÇÖs not every day a big change like this can shake up the meta.

+1, this would really give medium suits a chance.

It has also been brought to my attention that scouts (gal included) are no longer unscannable, that a gal logi with the proper skill lvl and equipment can see it all, if this is true tyvm. I would like a conformation before I skill into it if you don't mind rattati

As a sidenote, didn't you say that Assault Profile will be reduced to 45dB?

It says 50dB base, and which is the current number, but the Logi range isn't the current range?

With dampening skills at 5 your assault scan profile is 45. not 50.

With dampening skills at 5 your assault scan profile is 45. not 50.