Throw an Uplink, then throw an Injector.

Both are EQUIPMENT. Explain.

No need to discuss fixing what isn't broken. Questions:
1) When you get killed by REs, how are you measuring these distances?
2) Isn't your "awareness focused" elsewhere?
3) Have you watched someone toss an RE 10+ meters at you?
4) In the time it took to travel that huge distance, you just ... stood there and watched?

When you get killed by REs, how are you measuring these distances?

That is a very important question: the likelihood that the scout tossed the RE then immediately backpedaled away/laterally is very high, adding to combat time-dilated perception.

The other point you mentioned is also very important: REs now have more than slightly significant activation delays. Shooting the Scout and manoeuvring during the activation is important and, more to point, actually possible.

One is deployable. One is grafted to your hand.

Quick question. From what I've read and heard, CCP has never officially released the math behind stacking penalties. It's always been debated as community driven observation. The spreadsheet that is up in this thread, put out by a CCP employee, list stacking penalties. Does that make those numbers official?

If CCP has put these numbers out before, please disregard :)

So it looks like we should all move to GalScout as Assault changes look uninspiring.

Nothing beats being invisible in an FPS.

(Also, Cloak should provide no bonus to dampening.)

Tourists, slayers and FotM chasers ...

Please, do continue to bolster the Scoutly ranks.
Please, do defile our precision instruments with your fists of ham and frontline scrubbery.
Please, do stack HP and frontline slay away; the more SP you invest, the better you'll be.
Please, do max out your Biotics, EWAR, Cloak, Shotguns, RE and become slayer supreme.
Please, do not be alarmed by talks of future efficacy bonuses. You'll get a respec. Promise.

Soooo, Gallente still has the lowest bonus?

Meanwhile, the Caldari scout is getting the same damps as Gallente and and a 45 meter base scan range with skills...

Gallente also get precision bonus.

Not to mention, the dampening bonus offsets the 1LS Cal scouts look to be getting at Std and Adv tiers, and the 2 LS they are getting at proto.

They are going to have a hard enough time dampening as it is. It is not like they got away without sacrifice or anything.

Also forgetting REs that have been placed before the enemy arrive.

I normally only go to REs if the enemies back is turned, or I'm able to drop them from a height. And I make sure to be at least 6m away so I don't get caught in the blast radius, as REs will kill me several times over.

Might be worthwhile testing the mechanic yourself to see how it works, but you won't see a throw that's anywhere near 10m unless you've got a height advantage. 3-4m tops.

Exactly.

Not all equipment is the same!

So stop comparing them when its convenient to your rationalizations and ignoring it when its inconvenient.

REs are their own thing. They are not grenades, and they don't get thrown like grenades. They are not Uplinks, and are not thrown like Uplinks.

If you think they are being thrown too far, come up with a new, legitimate argument, because this one is dead and ineffective.

They have a 3/1 layout and are able to damp enough to duck under most scans(I run 2 damps and 2 amps)

That 10 percent bonus is really worth much, I'd rather get my 25 percent damps back.

Right. REs (and Proxys) are the only "equipment" that can kill someone/something. As such, I think it a reasonable argument that they should not be considered "equipment" at all. You keep defending your crutch though...

Dear players,

after thoroughly discussing with the scout community, these are our proposed changes.

EWAR Calculations

I have documented all the necessary and relevant scenarios, I hope. At the top of the document, I have collected the key numbers and tried to put them into perspective.

Galogi focused scanner gets the highest range and precision possible, due to it being 1) active, 2) narrow and 3) having a limited duration. This helps establish boundaries that scouts need to live within.

That said, by a combination of racial bonuses and dedication of slots

All scouts can have similar range, 76m to 91, under the Focused at 100m. This is under review, and I am looking at reducing Range amplifiers to 30% instead of the current 45%.

All scouts can get under the focused scan dB by using a cloak, exception Gallente not needing cloak.

All scouts can get under the best passive scan dB by using 2 dampeners and cloak or 3 dampeners.

Best passive at 2 precision modules is beaten by best dampener at 2 dampening modules.

Minmatar get a small PG boost, and all scouts can utilize a very slight PG reduction of KinCats andCodebreakers, possibly Nova Knifes.

Nova Knifes will get increased Aim Adhesion, making hit detection work a little better in close quarters, a damage boost 120/160/200 and possibly a little increase in aim, 2.00m to 2.25m OR 2.50m

This does not require Codebreakers to be in high, so don't assume that is the case.

Please keep your comments civil and on topic. Changing bonuses to module efficacy or other ideas of the sort are not on the table for now.

The numbers i get so far is 290 shield/ 84 armor (154, 755 ISK) which wont handle a single shot from the proto shotgun or last 2 sec against proto HMG and even if i survive i wont be able to regen my armor to fight a second round, been in that situation so many times and dont bring that "u dont play skillful" speech, i have my experience.

Assuming Optimal Range ... 290 / 84 is within OHK range for any shotgun (not just prototype). As for the HMG, your lifespan would be better measured in tenths of a second; two seconds is many times larger than your actual lifespan.

These aren't necessarily bad things; Scouts are supposed to squishy. Keeps things interesting for us :-)

I agree with most numbers, im only concerned about that while gallente and caldari ignore the highest passive scans with 2 dampeners (as seen on the google sheet), caldari wont be able to regen not a sigle point of armor, making caldari a reciclable fit which is not that reciclable when it cost 150k.

the fitting im able to pull with charlie is:

2 complex precision (high)
1 complex shield (high)
1 enhanced shield (high)
1 duvolle specialist shotgun (light w)
1 adv assault SMG (sidearm)
1 flux granade (granade slot)
1 complex cloak field (equipment)
1 adv remote explosive (equipment)
2 complex dampeners (low)

The numbers i get so far is 290 shield/ 84 armor (154, 755 ISK) which wont handle a single shot from the proto shotgun or last 2 sec against proto HMG and even if i survive i wont be able to regen my armor to fight a second round, been in that situation so many times and dont bring that "u dont play skillful" speech, i have my experience.

PTT: this fit is with lvl 5 dropsuit core upgrades, engeeniring, electronics, shield upgrades and lvl 4 armor upgrades.