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Greiv Rabbah
KiLo.
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Posted - 2014.07.23 16:21:00 -
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Jotun Izalaru wrote:Really, as long as cloak abuse is still possible EWar balancing is utterly pointless, so I'm not sure why any effort was made.
Cloaks shouldn't damp and still be a ticket to a full first shot. Ideally they're neither, but both is ridiculous.
I don't mean to say the EWar changes would be good with working cloaks, either, just that it was pointless to try. I hope that the EWar escalation game encourages more people back into Assault suits but if it doesn't than you've simply homogenized the acceptable Scout builds.
it makes sense for cloaks to have some dampening with progression, especially when you consider that its caldari tech and caldari dont damp quite as well as gallente.
but it shouldnt effortlessly make you invisible, and it doesnt. most ppl have determined that cloaks are trash... because theyre neither an effortless damp nor a free first shot most times simply bc if youre cloaked youre not invisible. hell, you glow blue! sometimes cloaks even get you spotted even if your profile is low enough... all in all, there are a lot of decisions to weigh when wearing a cloak. even at lvl5 scout, when fitting a cloak, there is no "your suit will be gimped if you arent a scout", no instead you're deciding in what ways to gimp your suit and so that people can rage about your cloak while shooting your shimmer all day long. mostly i dont use cloaks because i have to choose whether i want to be invisible to the idiots with their nose down a scope or real players thatll knock the cloak off of me 9/10 of the time.l
if you think cloaks are being "abused" or if thats even doable, game balancing isnt your problem. you need to adjust your situational awareness is all, because cloaks are just as broken as they ought to be. even when cloak usage dies down i wouldnt give it another balancing pass. there is nothing at all wrong with cloaks. EWAR is broken as all get out though and i'm curious why minjas get bonuses to jobs that theyll get cut down trying to perform on account of CCP stole our damp bonus and gave it to calscouts |
Greiv Rabbah
KiLo.
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Posted - 2014.07.23 16:32:00 -
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Floyd20 Azizora wrote:xAckie wrote:Appia Vibbia wrote:lol, if you think the scout needs a PG reductions you're either stupid or an *******. KinCats, Codebreaker, Cloak, Uplink. 1 of each of those at PRO level totals 65 PG
Without Dropsuit Engineering skill your 3 PG over the Scout mk.0 You've got 1PG left to fit on a Scout ck.0 5 PG left on a Scout ak.0 and 10 PG left on a Scout gk.0
If you think the PG needs to be reduced on scouts you're an idiot or an *******. Wow, rage much? None of those modules bar cloak are scout modules. Keep defending a flexible do it all suit. by that logic no module can be classed any a module for any suit. scouts have the best hacking speed(making Codebreakers best on scouts), KinCat give the most benefit to scouts, and uplinks can be placed in the best spots faster with a scout. yes, proto uplinks may not be needed here, he is showing the pg issues, as that set up uses 4 of 11 slots.
sorry guy...
"logis have the best hacking speed(making Codebreakers best on gallogis)"
there, i fixed your sentence for you. btw gallente make codebreakers so it was obvious that gallogi should be the fastest hacker even before running the numbers. yall got confused when the hacking bonus fell from minlogi to minja, but hacking has never been a job best suited to a scout. but also, taking it in the direction of scouts only get to use ewar? in the very game that advertised "snipe as a heavy instead of a squishy" early on? no... the customization and playing around with breaking out of defined class roles are a lot of what the fun in this game is based around!
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Jotun Izalaru
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2014.07.24 23:21:00 -
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Greiv Rabbah wrote:but it shouldnt effortlessly make you invisible, and it doesnt. most ppl have determined that cloaks are trash... because theyre neither an effortless damp nor a free first shot most times simply bc if youre cloaked youre not invisible. hell, you glow blue! sometimes cloaks even get you spotted even if your profile is low enough... all in all, there are a lot of decisions to weigh when wearing a cloak. even at lvl5 scout, when fitting a cloak, there is no "your suit will be gimped if you arent a scout", no instead you're deciding in what ways to gimp your suit and so that people can rage about your cloak while shooting your shimmer all day long. mostly i dont use cloaks because i have to choose whether i want to be invisible to the idiots with their nose down a scope or real players thatll knock the cloak off of me 9/10 of the time.l
if you think cloaks are being "abused" or if thats even doable, game balancing isnt your problem. you need to adjust your situational awareness is all, because cloaks are just as broken as they ought to be. even when cloak usage dies down i wouldnt give it another balancing pass. there is nothing at all wrong with cloaks. EWAR is broken as all get out though and i'm curious why minjas get bonuses to jobs that theyll get cut down trying to perform on account of CCP stole our damp bonus and gave it to calscouts
You absolutely get a full free first shot if:
1)the mood of the level is the really bright one 2)Your victim is playing the game on standard definiton (and there are multiple reasons this might be, including the running PS3 input delay on some high-def screens, so "don't play on standard def lol" isn't an acceptable solution) 3)the rendering of the blue glow doesn't take place immediately due to lag or any other CCP server problems.
When the cloak was introduced it had a single worthwhile purpose, remember that before this EWar was perfectly balanced:
1) letting scouts cross the many, many open fields in the game without getting immediately shredded by any gun regardless of range.
EWar balance and overpowered Scouts were completely ruined because the cloak was introduced and the Ewar changes as listed do nothing to return to that perfect balance and the cloak will remain a running problem even if not to you personally. |
Faquira Bleuetta
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
407
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Posted - 2014.07.25 02:47:00 -
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Bormir1r wrote:Appia Vibbia wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Mima Sebiestor wrote: I think the PG needs to be reduced on scouts.
I think the Shotgun needs to OHK Sentinels. The breach only having 2 shots, with a longer fire interval and slower reload. That would actually make me use it if it could kill a sentinel in 2 shots The damage should be 80 per pellet at basic (if there was one at std) 84 at adv, and 88 at proto. This would definitely make the breach more viable. nope |
Appia Vibbia
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
3704
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Posted - 2014.07.25 03:01:00 -
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Faquira Bleuetta wrote:Bormir1r wrote:Appia Vibbia wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Mima Sebiestor wrote: I think the PG needs to be reduced on scouts.
I think the Shotgun needs to OHK Sentinels. The breach only having 2 shots, with a longer fire interval and slower reload. That would actually make me use it if it could kill a sentinel in 2 shots The damage should be 80 per pellet at basic (if there was one at std) 84 at adv, and 88 at proto. This would definitely make the breach more viable. nope
Clearly an expert opinion from someone that has put hours upon hours of practice with the breach shotgun.
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Faquira Bleuetta
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
407
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Posted - 2014.07.25 03:21:00 -
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amarr scout is still the most pos scout suit look look look the prof gal win they have 5 more pg 3 rep lol free basic yayyyyyyyyyy wait wutttttttttttttttt gal with 560 ehp http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/1145/5778 and still be faster than a 463 ehp amarr http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/1145/5777 |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3270
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Posted - 2014.07.25 04:09:00 -
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SAIRAX SIS wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Dear players, after thoroughly discussing with the scout community, these are our proposed changes. EWAR Calculations Gal Scout unnecessary Precision bonus. Gal Scout needs Profile Dumpting -5%/lv only. they are Spy. arenot Recon.
but no gal scout "spies"...they just sneak up on you to OHK you in the back.
> Check RND out here
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SponkSponkSponk
The Southern Legion Final Resolution.
945
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Posted - 2014.07.25 04:19:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:but no gal scout "spies"...they just sneak up on you to OHK you in the back.
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Faquira Bleuetta
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
408
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Posted - 2014.07.25 09:03:00 -
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amarr scout still sux |
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CCP Rattati
C C P C C P Alliance
4848
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Posted - 2014.07.25 22:48:00 -
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I thank you for the feedback, everyone who participated in a civil and constructive manner.
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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