Yes, the precision bonus is better than the current, ****** range bonus. But by pointless I mean: it has zero impact on the uppermost level, and has next to no impact on any level where dampening is even vaguely used. The point is that the bonus to precision is small enough to not step on toes, but so small that it will not affect any Scout fitting a single dampener and any fitting more than one will easily evade the GalScout scans.

More to the point, any going to the effort to avoid being scanned will likely fit two dampeners, rendering the GalScout bonus moot: you already scan mediums/heavies and you will not scan any Scoutly Scouts (ie, non-Brick Tanked Scouts.)

So in essence, it is as useless as the range bonus we have now, because Scouts will be being pointed at EWar/dampening more heavily than before.

Problem:
More Brick-Tanked Scouts than Scoutly Scouts

Solution:
Equip more Scouts to hunt Brick-Tanked Scouts

Outcome:
More Scoutly Scouts than Brick-Tanked Scouts

New Problem:
1000HP GalLogi permascanning Scoutly Scouts

New Problem:
Scouts now too squishy to combat Heavy Spam <------ (free tip: here's your next FotM)

1. Scouts too squishy? Yep, that's called a trade off.

2.They do, however, get a guaranteed first strike, since they won't get scanned, with all Scouts able to evade all scans.

3. GalLogi cannot scan any Scout if they choose to dampen.

1. First Strike only gets you so far, and First Strike is far from guaranteed.
2. Indeed; 100k suits will beat a 30k scanner provided they fill their Lows with damps.

Evidently few agree with me.

You've yet to really refute my point that the 2% precision/level is irrelevant considering both the current and upcoming meta.

Don't get me wrong; your concerns are absolutely warranted and valid. Many of us have previously shared these concerns; some of us likely still do. We've been talking about this stuff for months ... how to "fix" Scout problems ... and we've come to recognize that there is no perfect solution. Rattati's proposal is as good as anything we've come up with to date; it addresses the majority of our core concerns and may bring our FotM to a welcome end.

I say we give it a shot and hope for best.

Worst case scenario, Scouts get crushed by better Assaults, Logi permascan, and endless Heavy spam.
Welcome back to Hard Mode :-)

Hah! I appreciate that response. I did kind of pine for the days when I started scouting, dodging around people without the cloak being around.

Still, I just feel something else - small - would just be more useful. Even a 1% to hack speed would be useful, because it would still always apply to any hack without being negated by there being much bigger threats (read: everyone dampening because of AmScout/GalLogi.)

I mean, I also get that the precision will be really helpful when finding all those snowflakes who run their AmScout with shields and biotics... But that just doesn't feel like a worthwhile bonus to me.

Don't get me wrong; your concerns are absolutely warranted and valid. Many of us have previously shared these concerns; some of us likely still do. We've been talking about this stuff for months ... how to "fix" Scout problems ... and we've come to recognize that there is no perfect solution. Rattati's proposal is as good as anything we've come up with to date; it addresses the majority of our core concerns and may bring our FotM to a welcome end.

I say we give it a shot and hope for best.

Worst case scenario, Scouts get crushed by better Assaults, Logi permascan, and endless Heavy spam.
Welcome back to Hard Mode :-)

Heavy Spam <------ (free tip: here's our next FotM)

@ CCP Rattati

One more thing after spend sometime stare at your EWAR table. Min scout still look less attractive even for speed hacking propose when compare to Gal scout.

*Gal need only 2 Damp + cloak to stay invisible from anyone. That means Adv Gal will have 1 L left to fit codebreak (25% match Min bonus) or whatever they want, and they also have inner rep + 2 H for fit tank.

*Adv Min have only 2 L. Can hide from other scout with 2 damp but not focus scan. No inner rep and no slot to fit codebreak.

*Proto Min will suffer the same, Improve from Adv but still lost to Gal. (3 Damp to be invisible and then ran out of slot)

Then why bother run Min? Even will Adv level, Gal have better chance to hack, survive, better potential and option. Only one reason I can think of choice Min over Gal is just for knifing. Even Min logo have better hacking speed on base stat (Min logi 1.2 / Min scout 1.1).


BTW, I'm still waiting for your answer for those questions.

Gal Logi scanners are more likely than not going to cause balance problems. We're going along with it for now because we can't prove that something's a problem until Nyain San has spammed the sh*t out of it for 3 months.

Still, I just feel something else - small - would just be more useful. Even a 1% to hack speed would be useful, because it would still always apply to any hack without being negated by there being much bigger threats (read: everyone dampening because of AmScout/GalLogi.)

Reposted after Aeon/Zaria's beard discussion...

I agree that Minmatar could do with some help ...

Hey now, I had nothing to do with that conversation! FFS, first I get people insinuating Jenza and I are the same person, now I'm getting confused for Appia?

And.


Context. It matters. :P

Sorry Zaria!

@RedPencil, yeah, I agree that Minmatar could do with some help: NK is cool,but not really necessary for being a scout. They can keep it and get a whole extra bonus, it wouldn't make them OP. I just want to see that Gallente precision bonus be useful.

REs are equipment - they fit equipment slots. They should be placed, not thrown. If they are to be thrown like grenades, they should be moved to the grenade slot.

So a ck0 with 4 extenders + 2 damps and cloak is the new light assault?

If you are changing what dropsuit actually do you are going to have to offer a suit respect. I know I wouldn't of ever skilled into Amarr Logi if it didn't have a sidearm, or caldari scout if it didn't have a precision bonus. We are talking about almost 3mil SP for each of these suits. If that happens I am fine with it.