Dear players,

after thoroughly discussing with the scout community, these are our proposed changes.

EWAR Calculations

I have documented all the necessary and relevant scenarios, I hope. At the top of the document, I have collected the key numbers and tried to put them into perspective.

Galogi focused scanner gets the highest range and precision possible, due to it being 1) active, 2) narrow and 3) having a limited duration. This helps establish boundaries that scouts need to live within.

That said, by a combination of racial bonuses and dedication of slots

All scouts can have similar range, 76m to 91, under the Focused at 100m. This is under review, and I am looking at reducing Range amplifiers to 30% instead of the current 45%.

All scouts can get under the focused scan dB by using a cloak, exception Gallente not needing cloak.

All scouts can get under the best passive scan dB by using 2 dampeners and cloak or 3 dampeners.

Best passive at 2 precision modules is beaten by best dampener at 2 dampening modules.

Minmatar get a small PG boost, and all scouts can utilize a very slight PG reduction of KinCats andCodebreakers, possibly Nova Knifes.

Nova Knifes will get increased Aim Adhesion, making hit detection work a little better in close quarters, a damage boost 120/160/200 and possibly a little increase in aim, 2.00m to 2.25m OR 2.50m

This does not require Codebreakers to be in high, so don't assume that is the case.

Please keep your comments civil and on topic. Changing bonuses to module efficacy or other ideas of the sort are not on the table for now.

what are you going to do about how far they can toss remotes?

keep in mind with how hard they are to see already and how high they can jump and how fast they are, tossing remotes 10 meters almost undetected makes them OP...

so they either need to be more easily detectable or the Frisbee mechanic needs a hard cap on how far they can be thrown.

*SIGH*

Assault changes are coming. Remember that. Rattati will buff the assault to make it a better choice than the scouts ( I have full faith in him. Get some assault players together and make a thread. If you are diligent in trying to improve the suit, help will come)

Anyways: Cal gets dampening to help it stay hidden and provide long range, low power scans. A single damp, and a single range amp will probably be the best combo.

Cal scouts scanning your med frame too much? Run a damp. 1x Damp will make you invisible to any Cal Scan or Min Scan.

I suspect most Cal scouts will run 2x shields and 2x Precision. This will let them pick up any med frame not running 3x damps. However, at this point, they only have 308 shields and 87 armor. Easy prey if you catch them.

Gal scouts are getting a precision bonus to make up for loss of range. It also helps stop the dual tanking problem, encouraging people to not stack HP.

They are harder to detect, but do not possess the strong scans of the amarr. They can buff range a bit easier, but amarr will still win in the eWAR fight. Gal on the other hand, will still be masters of dampening, due to the huge amount of low slots and CPU/PG.

You will still be a strongly damped Gal scout. It'll just take 2x damps and a cloak. Combine with the 2x precision? Wow, look! Only two slots left for HP!

Notice what's happening? Passive bonuses are less attractive. You must use modules to get the best mileage out of the suit, and this cuts down on HP stacking.

Throw an RE, then throw a grenade. You will see a difference. The comparisons need to stop.

If we're here to talk about problems, why not talk about Heavy spam?

Remote Explosive usage is causally related to a steep increase in Heavy population, their resistance to locus grenades, and the new-found tendency of their teammates to "cluster" about them (and their overly effective HMGs). The ability to toss an RE a few feet is not the reason why Ambush has degraded to "Follow the Heavy".

Incidentally, last time I checked, proximity mines didn't get thrown anywhere near as far as remote explosives. Perhaps someone could go in-game and check?

Throw an Uplink, then throw an Injector.

Both are EQUIPMENT. Explain.

No need to discuss fixing what isn't broken. Questions:
1) When you get killed by REs, how are you measuring these distances?
2) Isn't your "awareness focused" elsewhere?
3) Have you watched someone toss an RE 10+ meters at you?
4) In the time it took to travel that huge distance, you just ... stood there and watched?

Also forgetting REs that have been placed before the enemy arrive.

I normally only go to REs if the enemies back is turned, or I'm able to drop them from a height. And I make sure to be at least 6m away so I don't get caught in the blast radius, as REs will kill me several times over.

Might be worthwhile testing the mechanic yourself to see how it works, but you won't see a throw that's anywhere near 10m unless you've got a height advantage. 3-4m tops.

Exactly.

Not all equipment is the same!

So stop comparing them when its convenient to your rationalizations and ignoring it when its inconvenient.

REs are their own thing. They are not grenades, and they don't get thrown like grenades. They are not Uplinks, and are not thrown like Uplinks.

If you think they are being thrown too far, come up with a new, legitimate argument, because this one is dead and ineffective.