A charge sniper headshot will OHK almost everything. Some bricked suits are two shots, but they're giving up a lot of mobility, damage output, and ewar potential to do that. The normal charge sniper headshot versus proto suit situation is an OHK, especially now everyone is in scout suits.

As for headshots being difficult, well yeah. You can hardly expect an OHK to be easy.

bricked tanks gal heavies take 4 headshots from charged rifle thanks to their high hp and resitances, and that's assuming they don't have a logi repper in which case you may as well add the amount of shots it takes to kill the logi first assuming i can they tend to have just as much hp.

Stop with the freking risk/reward. If you are not willing to do sh*t about it, then it's your own fault. My sniper suits costed 130k isk in 1.6 and were easily killable by a standard tactical sniper. Get good you scurbs and stop tying to keep a sh*tty weapon in the dirt. The only viable sniper right now is the thale's.


Snipers are an unliked class but you deserve to be sniped if you don't want to counter them.
I kill 90% of sniper I face with level 2 in sniper operation, a scout suit and a tactical sniper rifle and I best most lose over 100k isk per death when I start sniping.



They all need a zoom and damage buff.
Tactical needs it's clip size increased.
Charge needs a cooler word in front of the name, a damage buff and a huge zoom capability buff.
Basic needs a damage buff.

Snipers need a boost just as badly as shotguns do, which is to say, not at all.

Part of being a sniper is getting heatshots, you will do more damage if you do get a heatshot, if you dont get a heatshot you are a bad sniper. Just like how there are bad heavies, bad scouts, bad assault, and bad logies, there are BAD SNIPERS TOO! Learn to be a good sniper.

A charge sniper headshot will OHK almost everything. Some bricked suits are two shots, but they're giving up a lot of mobility, damage output, and ewar potential to do that. The normal charge sniper headshot versus proto suit situation is an OHK, especially now everyone is in scout suits.

As for headshots being difficult, well yeah. You can hardly expect an OHK to be easy.

Part of being a sniper is getting heatshots, you will do more damage if you do get a heatshot, if you dont get a heatshot you are a bad sniper.

Nah, that's 563 eHP damage. Excluding the -10% penalty vs. armour. That's hardly almost anything.

And of course I'm not saying 600m kills is a regular thing (Most I've taken is 599, actually), but if I were to record the distances they would mostly be on the 400-550m range

That's far! Are you stuck in the redline? Then why are you complaining about redline sniping? And do you regard yourself as efficient, sniping from such a distance?

Well if you checked the link you'd notice I am not a sniper.

I meant that I got hit from that distance. It's not fun to get OHK'd every time I decide to cross the damn street. :(

I do think snipers are underrated. But you think too much of yourself. Get 3 kills as a sniper and claiming you've saved the match? Dream on!

Stop with the freking risk/reward. If you are not willing to do sh*t about it, then it's your own fault. My sniper suits costed 130k isk in 1.6 and were easily killable by a standard tactical sniper. Get good you scurbs and stop tying to keep a sh*tty weapon in the dirt. The only viable sniper right now is the thale's.


Snipers are an unliked class but you deserve to be sniped if you don't want to counter them.
I kill 90% of sniper I face with level 2 in sniper operation, a scout suit and a tactical sniper rifle and I best most lose over 100k isk per death when I start sniping.



They all need a zoom and damage buff.
Tactical needs it's clip size increased.
Charge needs a cooler word in front of the name, a damage buff and a huge zoom capability buff.
Basic needs a damage buff.

If those 3 kills keep a blue NULL cannon firing for 3 minutes, then yes, it is a huge help to the team. And nobody on the blue team but the sniper realizes what is happening.

A full 3 minutes of NULL cannon fire can cause a lot of damage to the red MCC.

Plus, we hack when we move around.

And drop uplinks.

And drop hives.

And use remotes.

And use proximity mines.

And snipe tankers after they call in their tanks but before they can get into them. Then you can hack the tank and drive off to help the team.

And snipe hives and links.

And snipe medics when they stop to help patients. Then we snipe their patients.

And call out red movements.

And break red momentum. Even if we don't kill a bunch of charging reds, we can make them keep their heads down.

And snipe the two reds running at you when you are trying to hack. You never even know we were there. We are the invisible reaper.

And kill one or two of the three guys attacking you when you are alone in a cold, dangerous world. We even your odds.

And burn that proto fatties' shields to zero and half armour when he is looking to collect your skull for his mantlepiece. Again, we even your odds.

And, yunno, play the game along with everyone else.


Munch

Nah, that's 563 eHP damage. Excluding the -10% penalty vs. armour. That's hardly almost anything.

You can't just compare kills results to mostly scouts, especially as they have other things going for them (cloaks, high speed, smaller hitbox, harder to spot). Look at the results: the charge time and extremely low zoom make it much harder for a Charge to hit. Nothing wrong with it, but it's certainly not OP.

Over 600 with damage mods surely? And near 700 with cal commando.

Snipers need a bit more dmg. Maybe a skill specific dmg modifier. I sniped back when my gun game was aweful. I pick it up every so often. Its very weak in 1.8.

I was goofing around with a forge gun and a sniper was steady plugging my fat suit. He must have shot me 30 times. I'd duck behind the supply depot for a little bit to regen, but otherwise I just laughed at the poor guy. I mean, a .50 cal should inflict more damage than a shotgun.

Upgrading scopes should be a skill as well.

So you're saying that Sniper Rifles are OK, because they can OHK half of the suits on the field, when:
- players have Proficiency 5
- use the most powerful proto sniper rifle available (also the one without zoom)
- use a proto Calmando dropsuit
- and slap on proto damage modifiers.

And in the mean time you say it's OK that snipers can't OHK bricked mercs, because they invested SP and give up mobility? I think the sniper is way worse of, as you'll invest about 9 million SP to get the sniper suit you described, while the investment hardly benefits any other roles.

That's far! Are you stuck in the redline? Then why are you complaining about redline sniping? And do you regard yourself as efficient, sniping from such a distance?

Nobody really snipes standing up.. it's completely abnormal.

the "reduction to scope sway per level" is complete garbage.

You could replace that with "bonus head shot damage"

or perhaps

You could replace that with "increases the efficiency of damage mods by 20% per level."

"redline" "range" "redline" "range".... Really? If the range gets reduced to 300m the sr will be worse than the plasma cannon, it's slow cumbersome and doesn't do much damage, by which i mean even ising a tactical rifle the time it takes to aim, shoot 5 bulletsand probably reload, the rr,cr,ar,hmg,submg,magsec,pistols,laser rifle,md,scrambler, and i expect a few others could of already done a full clip on target, that is not a snipers role. Also the redline sniper is. a symptom of other issues, e.g poor inner map vantages, low damage comparatively, snipers not being useful in pc (people don't need to worry about losing a thales in pubs), redline oppresion tactics, matchmaking proto vs noobs, etc. Snipers may be low risk but they are not high reward we get 50 wp per kill, 60 if it's a headshot kill, 5 points for equipment, that's all folks also "snipers shouldn't be able to shoot objectives" why not? If an armed force had to protect something like this i assure you there would be a sniper watching it. It's called overwatch it would require other tactical approaches before hacking, (although i only point out this in theory, i know this wouldnt work in a game for people to enjoy.) A sniper is a tactical suppression, long range kill role, but it's not worth taking seriously in this game because of 2 problems that people are using as an excuse. I don't think a straight forward boost is the way but a damage buff to headshots requiring sp would solve most problems, it should work as a "class" at the moment anybody can pick up an sr meaning people that are bad at it still do it and that would be the snippers that gives the decent ones a bad name. I try to avoid redlines as much as is reasonable but the point of fact remains that on alot of maps there aren't other options, the old obleisk towers were good positions out of red line areas (yes there was a glitch up there on some maps) but people complained about them, belive me when the redline is gone you folks will still hate snipers.