For the love of god, a suicide run is not a counter to sniper. If you HAVE to kill yourself just to kill something that's not a hard counter.
Not to mention you are suggesting that I take a dropship I paid for with my money, in a suit I paid for with my money just to kill a guy who is too cowardly to actually participate from within the theatre of battle.

As for the keep your head down and look for cover, what the hell do you think Im doing?
Do you really think that I'm just running around in the open like a headless chicken?

Come on, stick to cover and you'll stop dying to sniping overlords! Gosh why hadn't I thought of sticking to cover before?
Unfortunately and as will probably Pee of a lot of you in this thread CCP have said they are making maps less "Sniper Friendly", they have already decided they will follow the doctrine I have been trying to explain to you this whole damn thread.

And I'll say I again, RISK vs REWARD
The best sniping spots on the newer gallante sockets, also happen to be the easiest to reach, by everyone
While the safest spots provide the narrow angles of attack. That is balance and CCP are already doing it.

'You take the Risk, you get Reward, first across the line wins, everyone else? LOOSERS' - DJ Stryker (Burnout 3 Takedown)

I'm not suggesting you commit suicide. I'm suggesting you run into the red line with a vehicle get a kill within 13 seconds, and get out. Assuming you know where the sniper is, and have decided that you're going to kill him. Which is totally optional.

Also if there wasn't time for you to poll people I would happily bet 50,000,000 isk that you have no idea where the best sniping spots on the gallente map packs are. This doctrine you speak of is also only true of the gallente maps. I have faith that in the future there will be many rewarding sniper locations especially outside of the red line.

Is it me or is the reality that this game doesn't need snipers EVERY MAP. I'm sick of people thinking that every match they should be able to snipe. It just doesn't make sense. Don't buff anything with sniper rifles. I run ADV Tactical and, on the right maps, break 10 kills without dying on a bad day. Some maps aren't good for sniping either because they know where people snipe from or just have bad angles for the action. People just need to get over it.

I can't run Heavy HMG every match and can't run Logi every match and can't run scout every match. I have to go between what will work in that match and sniping doesn't always work.

Remove the redline and I'll talk.

This^^

although i must add. You can run anything every match. but as you pointed out it won't always be as effective.

Snipers on some maps can look right into an objective. There are plenty of hill maps, tall buildings, for god's sake ive seen snipers ontop of dropships! but, like you said, these people want to go 10, 15, 20-0 every match with a sniper. its clearly OP.

CCP didnt buff snipers because snipers are really hard to balance. The only way to counter snipers is with other snipers. so, if snipers are TOO good this game will become CoD.

I bet sniper rifles will get some kind of buff on the next patch iteration, because right now, a prototype sniper cannot take down a prototype suit.

Im pretty used to all other games OHK snipers, or even the 2 hit kill snipers, the charged sniper is good, but its the charge makes it difficult to do follow up hits, the tac sniper is good, if you can get those consecutive head shots, the thales is... obviously the best, it use to be a OHK for most i use to do 520 hp per hit on thales, dont know what i do now but im guessing its alot less. if only hit detection was better and for some reason the sights when aiming at 400m+ the people disappear and i cant see them, it usually happen when they are running along the sides of buildings (dont know if this is just me but its annoying :/)

ANOTHER classic hater. Just because you don't know how to tactically support your team doesn't mean you have to ruin the whole show for everyone, especially for nonredliners.


PS: If you like pure AR/sub gameplay, you should go.....go......go away......to COD.

90% of snipers do not support their teams, just farm kills.

ie im fighting another enemy, and weaken him, snipers picks him off.

i.e. 2 in the same area im fighting an enemy he weakens me, snipers shoots the weakned guy behind him, instead of helping me.. i die.

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Stop with the freking risk/reward. If you are not willing to do sh*t about it, then it's your own fault. My sniper suits costed 130k isk in 1.6 and were easily killable by a standard tactical sniper. Get good you scurbs and stop tying to keep a sh*tty weapon in the dirt. The only viable sniper right now is the thale's.


Snipers are an unliked class but you deserve to be sniped if you don't want to counter them.
I kill 90% of sniper I face with level 2 in sniper operation, a scout suit and a tactical sniper rifle and I best most lose over 100k isk per death when I start sniping.



They all need a zoom and damage buff.
Tactical needs it's clip size increased.
Charge needs a cooler word in front of the name, a damage buff and a huge zoom capability buff.
Basic needs a damage buff.

Remove the redline and I'll talk.

THISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS ^^^^^^^^^^

If the redline is removed the game won't last 2 days.
That is a fact.

Imagine 16 protosuits just below the MCC... hunting you as you drop...

Imagine 3 indestructible Blaster Turret installations at the base of the MCC, ever-vigilant protectors to defend the downtrodden against the red eyed demons!

*And 1 Indestructible Missile Turret Installation*

Don't be ridiculous, snipers already OHK half the suits in the game. Just how big a win button do you need? Maybe you think your rifle should be a laser pointer calling down infinite OBs?

Good snipers do fine with zoom and damage as it is. If they were any higher you'd have a lot of half empty battlefields with everyone hiding in the redline or tanks.

Here's the difference, and what you fail to understand simpleton.

Militia Sniper Rifle vs. Militia Drop Suit (MINIMUM 2 body shots for a kill / 1 head shot for a kill)

Prototype Sniper Rifle vs. Prototype Drop Suit (MINIMUM 3 body shots for a kill / 1-2 head shots for a kill)

*excluding heavies*

In their own tier.. Militia Sniper Rifle > Prototype

Balancing the Sniper Rifle might increase the percentage of one hit kills of a prototype sniper vs maybe a standard/militia drop suit. That's not what matters at all though. They're prepared to die a lot. A cheap suit provides low risk of isk loss, so death is their reward.The people running those suits generally don't matter to the out come of a match. Anyone with a combat rifle / rail rifle with a prototype drop suit could attest. They serve one purpose and that's to increase that little number next to your deaths at the end of a match. It's not even generally required that you aim to kill these people. (the miracle of hip fire)

This is true for all weapons besides grenades.
A militia suit dies faster to a militia weapon than a proto suit does to a proto weapon. The Sniper Rifle shouldn't be the magical exception that does 2x more damage at PRO than it does at MLT.

Except an Assault mk.0 dies to a Vizam Scrambler Rifle faster Assault M-1 dies to a Scrambler Rifle

This is true for all weapons besides grenades.
A militia suit dies faster to a militia weapon than a proto suit does to a proto weapon. The Sniper Rifle shouldn't be the magical exception that does 2x more damage at PRO than it does at MLT.

It deals the same amount of damage as any rifle at prototype. (10% more)

The amount of drop suit health however goes up by 100%.

It's the difference between 2 shots and 3 shots.

Any attention given to the Sniper Rifle would be appreciated.

The gun becomes ineffective vs. anyone that requires 3+ shots to kill.

The base damage should be increased. It's that simple.

I'm not asking for the gun to fire at x2 the damage.

Most people are calling for a 20% damage increase.

Firing the weapon on those 3+ aimed shots to kill someone, it just feels bad.

It's a lot easier to take cover from a sniper than it is from any other infantry.

snipers should never 1 shot heavy or medium suit tanker.