Dear CCP and the Community of Dust 514,

I would like it the made publicly and clearly known that the CPM does not support the ability to fire a weapon while cloaked.

If you support this (and even if you don't) I encourage you to post your thoughts so that CCP can hear our voices and change the course away from what would be a game-breaking mechanic. The devil is always in the details, but I think we can all agree that firing while cloaking is a line in the sand that CCP must not cross.

/signed
Kain Spero of CPM 0

Dear CCP and the Community of Dust 514,

I would like it the made publicly and clearly known that the CPM does not support the ability to fire a weapon while cloaked.

If you support this (and even if you don't) I encourage you to post your thoughts so that CCP can hear our voices and change the course away from what would be a game-breaking mechanic. The devil is always in the details, but I think we can all agree that firing while cloaking is a line in the sand that CCP must not cross.

/signed
Kain Spero of CPM 0

Do you mean that you'd have to manually deactivate it before you could fire, or that the first shot would deactivate it?

Based on what CCP Saberwing said here, a sniper shot would immediately deactivate the cloak. He also said that the cloak would be timed, and runs out when it's "energy" is depleted. According to Saberwing, firing shots depletes the cloak's energy.

Thusly, if you fired immediately after activating, you'd get 1 sniper shot. If it's based on the amount of damage the shot would do, the STD sniper rifle does 209 damage.

So that's 3 Scrambler Rifle shots (uncharged, else it'd be just 1), 6 AR rounds, etc. That's not enough to drop someone unless they're all head shots, and you can already do that by getting the drop on someone.

The cloak deactivating after 200 damage dealt is basically the same as firing at someone when they haven't noticed you, and I don't see a big difference between firing from being cloaked or firing from someone's 6. Obviously if you cloak up while they're already looking at you, they're still going to shoot you.

Perhaps there's something I've missed, though?

It's difficult to pass judgment when no hard numbers are available on cooldown, duration, fire cost, ect.

The system sounds similar to Killzone 3 which I actually rather liked, however this is not the same as cloaks are in EVE.


For those of you who don't know, most cloaks in EVE operate like this:

Movement Speed Reduced by 90%
Unable to use any weapons or modules while cloaked
Any ship within 2500m will decloak your ship
There is a delay after you decloak before you can lock on and use modules.


Perhaps add more limitations to the proposed cloaking, such as a movement penalty and excessive cooldown time. Then offer a variant (Covert-Ops?) which does not include movement penalty and a shorter cooldown, but you are unable to fire your weapon until x-seconds after decloaking?

The first would benefit snipers and those who need to stay hidden for long periods of time without moving. The latter would benefit those who want to play more of a field support role, but not a combat one.

Arx, no first shot while cloaked. Either switching to a weapon should decloak you or have it where you have to manually deactivate the cloak to fire a weapon.

I agree with Kain Spero. As a possible rework, I suggest the cloaking cortex must be held in your hands for it to be active. If you were to switch and put a weapon or other equipment in your hand, that would put the cloaking cortex away and thus you would no longer be cloaked. And as a replacement for the Caldari scout bonus who would be affected by this, perhaps change it to 5% cloaking duration per level.

Dear CCP and the Community of Dust 514,

I would like it the made publicly and clearly known that the CPM does not support the ability to fire a weapon while cloaked.

If you support this (and even if you don't) I encourage you to post your thoughts so that CCP can hear our voices and change the course away from what would be a game-breaking mechanic. The devil is always in the details, but I think we can all agree that firing while cloaking is a line in the sand that CCP must not cross.

/signed
Kain Spero of CPM 0

If they give us the ability to fire while cloaked, then realise it is a mistake and try to take it away, there'll be hell to pay.

If they initially don't allow cloaked shooting, then later decide to enable it (maybe in a limited fashion, such as with special weapon variants), things will be much easier.

So I'm happy to support this.

Arx, no first shot while cloaked. Either switching to a weapon should decloak you or have it where you have to manually deactivate the cloak to fire a weapon.

Do you mean that you'd have to manually deactivate it before you could fire, or that the first shot would deactivate it?

Based on what CCP Remnant said here, a sniper shot would immediately deactivate the cloak. He also said that the cloak would be timed, and runs out when it's "energy" is depleted. According to Remnant, firing shots depletes the cloak's energy.

Thusly, if you fired immediately after activating, you'd get 1 sniper shot. If it's based on the amount of damage the shot would do, the STD sniper rifle does 209 damage.

So that's 3 Scrambler Rifle shots (uncharged, else it'd be just 1), 6 AR rounds, etc. That's not enough to drop someone unless they're all head shots, and you can already do that by getting the drop on someone.

The cloak deactivating after 200 damage dealt is basically the same as firing at someone when they haven't noticed you, and I don't see a big difference between firing from being cloaked or firing from someone's 6. Obviously if you cloak up while they're already looking at you, they're still going to shoot you.

Perhaps there's something I've missed, though?

Edit: Whoops, apparently had CCP Saberwing on the brain. Corrected to CCP Remnant.