Do you mean that you'd have to manually deactivate it before you could fire, or that the first shot would deactivate it?

Based on what CCP Saberwing said here, a sniper shot would immediately deactivate the cloak. He also said that the cloak would be timed, and runs out when it's "energy" is depleted. According to Saberwing, firing shots depletes the cloak's energy.

Thusly, if you fired immediately after activating, you'd get 1 sniper shot. If it's based on the amount of damage the shot would do, the STD sniper rifle does 209 damage.

So that's 3 Scrambler Rifle shots (uncharged, else it'd be just 1), 6 AR rounds, etc. That's not enough to drop someone unless they're all head shots, and you can already do that by getting the drop on someone.

The cloak deactivating after 200 damage dealt is basically the same as firing at someone when they haven't noticed you, and I don't see a big difference between firing from being cloaked or firing from someone's 6. Obviously if you cloak up while they're already looking at you, they're still going to shoot you.

Perhaps there's something I've missed, though?

I'm not sure what your point is?

You can line up a headshot with a rail turret if you like, but it doesn't stop me being able to OHK from over 400m with a sniper rifle. Can you explain how having the possibility of getting a near range headshot off is more powerful than that?

With a near range head shot it's likely I'm going to have to move to get the shot, which brings shimmer into play, and if you check your corners then there's a good chance you'll light me up with your targeting reticule as well. And then, if you're not dead in one shot or I miss, you have a good chance to kill me because my shields and armor are paper and I'm standing right next to you. This is all supposing that you're not using a scanner, or running in a squad using a scanner, which will give me away before I even get close.

Contrast this with a sniper in the red line. You have no defence except for not stopping for long enough to give me a shot, and your only response is counter sniping, dropping an orbital, or entering the red line.

The cloak is mainly a defensive tool, and if you try to use it offensively, it's risk/reward weighted.

Don't get me wrong, I fully expect there will be situations where the cloak will be used for a OHK that is near unavoidable. I'm just saying that this is no more powerful than several other options I have to do the same, but involves significantly higher risk.

I agree with everything you've said except the first sentence.


Neither you, nor anyone else calling for a nerf, has been able to provide solid reasoning for why firing from cloak is so bad that it should be considered broken, or breaks the game. Until you provide actual reasoning for it, its not a fact, it's your opinion.

And the fact that you've focused exclusively on that single point issue of firing from cloak instead of talking about any other problems with the implementation, or the failure to address actual issues with scouts, lead me to believe that you're not being entirely transparent in your claims.

Edit: Just one quick update. Apologies if it seems like this is coming across as antagonistic, that's not my intent. Just trying to understand the situation.

No. Not even vaguely.

Once again, this has nothing to do with the situation at hand. Someone hacking COD to be invisible and invincible has nothing to do with the explicit introduction of a stealth mechanic into a game, particularly where there are known hard and soft counters that compliment the introduction. You're just making things worse.

I'll explain this again for the cheap seats:
Just write down what the problem is and why cloaking, and specifically firing from cloak, is so inherently broken that you're trying to sabotage it's implementation since you're unable to stop it coming into game. No hypotheticals, no links off site, just the straight facts as you see them.

If cloaking is that big a problem, it shouldn't be so hard to explain. And if you find that you have to resort to hyperbole and fear-mongering to get your point across, then maybe you need to reconsider your position.

How about make it so that active scanners outline cloaked scouts in a red tint so you can detect them?

0/10, would not read again. You've managed to almost exactly replicate your previous post, while providing exactly zero information on what this has to do with the dust implementation.

Here's my response again, as you appear to have missed it. Updated for the new video and underlined.



If the CPM is going to put out a call for arms and try to rally the community to their side then they should, at minimum:

• be able to explain the issue clearly and succinctly

• respond with fact or opinion without resorting to hyperbole

• be able to justify their position

So far you're 0/3.

Edit: updated to include an additional minimum.

Thanks for an actual response.

Can you explain what about the dust mechanics make them "excessively poor"?

Can you explain how any of the nerfs you have suggested will benefit scouts? To all appearances, you have been advocating breaking the cloak, not fixing the scout, so while I agree with some of your points it would be disingenuous to suggest that you started off this action with scouts in mind.