[CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers

Honestly, I have zero faith that this will be nothing but a game breaker. I dont understand why Team True Grit works with the community and got changes to PC and the most successful content in dust is FW.

Why must you design dust with your fingers stuck in your ears ccp?

I honestly think this is where CCP Rouge needs to answer to the community. Is he going to step in and do the right thing or are we still all a riding a captainless ship.

Dear CCP and the Community of Dust 514,

I would like it to be made publicly and clearly known that the CPM does not support the ability to fire a weapon while cloaked.

If you support this (and even if you don't) I encourage you to post your thoughts so that CCP can hear our voices and change the course away from what would be a game-breaking mechanic. The devil is always in the details, but I think we can all agree that firing while cloaking is a line in the sand that CCP must not cross.

/signed
Kain Spero of CPM 0

After giving it much thought, I now agree with you. Make the cloak so that it at least requires you to hold the cloak trigger in your hand in order to maintain cloak. If you swap around, you lose cloak.

I'm not sure I understand why firing from cloak is so game breaking, particularly as we've already been informed that firing will break cloak, there is a (as of yet undisclosed) cool down after the cloak is broken, and a hard counter is already in game through the active scanner?

It will only really be useful for engaging a single suit unaware, and even then it's not an insta win button as most suits take multiple shots to kill. For a bad scout, it means they'll be able to ambush one red without getting killed before they have a chance. In a average scouts hands, it may mean going from being able to ambush one straggler at a time, to being able to ambush two in a group with a chance of taking both. Good scouts don't need the assistance so I doubt very much you'll see a difference there, they're already stringing together kills without being seen.

The main use for the cloak will be to hide, stationary, in facilities while you let the enemy team go past, or move between locations with a little extra protection (no chevron and health is great, but the shimmer will still be there). Useful for being able to watch for when to set off REs and counter hack, or cross sniper alley, but it's not going to let you take down a 3-4 players with guns blazing.

Also not sure about the cloaked sniper QQ? Sitting in cloak to shoot is a waste. If you're doing it right, no one knows where you are before you shoot, and if I'm shooting you from 300m out, you won't see me after I start shooting either. It's much better used as a defensive device to move between sniping locations, or as an aid for counter sniping to give you a chance to get a shot off before they pop you.

From the description given, the cloak leans towards being a defensive device, not an offensive one. Maybe take a couple of deep breaths and think about the implementation before condemning it to the nerf bin?

Dear CCP and the Community of Dust 514,

I would like it to be made publicly and clearly known that the CPM does not support the ability to fire a weapon while cloaked.

If you support this (and even if you don't) I encourage you to post your thoughts so that CCP can hear our voices and change the course away from what would be a game-breaking mechanic. The devil is always in the details, but I think we can all agree that firing while cloaking is a line in the sand that CCP must not cross.

/signed
Kain Spero of CPM 0

The threshold really needs to be cloak deactivates and then you can fire. How quickly that process happens can be up for discussion, but for me the threshold needs to be that the cloak is dropped before any damage can happen.

Yes, this. Cloaking should only allow you to get into an advantageous position to begin firing, not to be able to fire while hidden, even for a moment. It should work similar to the RE detonator, where you have to have it in hand to use and activate it, and you de-cloak if the equipment is not in hand.

As we all know (or should), you can easily hit L2 quickly to switch from your equipment to your primary weapon, so if the cloak were to operate as outlined above, this would allow a merc to de-cloak quickly and begin firing -- a significant advantage, and a welcome new twist to gameplay.

However, if we allowed firing from cloak, a merc could get position, switch to his primary and be able to line up his first shot, presumably to the head. This is an OP advantage, which personally I think borders on game-breaking.

No to firing under cloak.

I agree with Kain Spero. As a possible rework, I suggest the cloaking cortex must be held in your hands for it to be active. If you were to switch and put a weapon or other equipment in your hand, that would put the cloaking cortex away and thus you would no longer be cloaked. And as a replacement for the Caldari scout bonus who would be affected by this, perhaps change it to 5% cloaking duration per level.

That is the best idea I've seen so far.

The cloak is a piece of equipment that you hold.

You could give different cloaks a variety of cool down mechanics, sort of like an active scanner. Some have a period where you stay cloaked for 1 second after switching away from equipment but suffer from a 10 second cool down period. Others could go in and out of cloak at quicker intervals.

I'd say that a second equipment slot is a must. Or give one of the suits two equipment slots and no sidearm. I don't see how it's possible to have a fully viable stealth scout if he couldn't be stealthy while killing and placing uplinks.

really bad stuff actually.

Dear CCP and the Community of Dust 514,

I would like it to be made publicly and clearly known that the CPM does not support the ability to fire a weapon while cloaked.

If you support this (and even if you don't) I encourage you to post your thoughts so that CCP can hear our voices and change the course away from what would be a game-breaking mechanic. The devil is always in the details, but I think we can all agree that firing while cloaking is a line in the sand that CCP must not cross.

/signed
Kain Spero of CPM 0

Honestly, I'm on the fence about melee damage while cloaked and I see that as an issue separate from shooting while cloaked. Those issues can be discussed as well, again I just don't want the specter of shooting while cloaked to fall on Dust like a plague.

Really good stuff. The cloak as a piece of equipment that if you switch off it decloaks really does seem good. I agree that scout suits with more then 1 equipment slot sound like they need to be a thing.

Totally Agree. +1

Signed.


* still think cloaks should be for scouts only

This all depends on the TTK issue for me.

If TTK remains the same and shooting first is pretty much the only important variable in who will win, then I support this, but with a major caveat. You can decloak by pulling the trigger on your weapon. It won't shoot and you'd have some delay before being able to fire (something like 0.5 - 1.5 secs), but you can at least ADS, line up your shot while you're decloaking instead of f*cking around with the radial equipment menu.

If TTK is increased to where it should be (slightly longer than 1.4 -1.5, shorter than 1.3) then I think shooting while cloaked should stay.

Slightly off topic: Logi equipment bonuses should NOT apply to fitting cloaks. They should still be able to fit them, but it should require major sacrifices in the fit like with assaults, commandos, etc.

Dear CCP and the Community of Dust 514,

I would like it to be made publicly and clearly known that the CPM does not support the ability to fire a weapon while cloaked.

If you support this (and even if you don't) I encourage you to post your thoughts so that CCP can hear our voices and change the course away from what would be a game-breaking mechanic. The devil is always in the details, but I think we can all agree that firing while cloaking is a line in the sand that CCP must not cross.

/signed
Kain Spero of CPM 0

The OP is a bad poster, probably complains about how CCP doesn't communicate well enough and then posts that kind of a blooper.

We already know that firing decreases the cloak's foo-level, and it should be obvious that this is an easily tweakable parameter. So basically you guys are sperging because it might take more than one shot of an assault rifle to deplete the cloak, and then go from there to assuming you can empty a clip into an enemy while cloaked.

The CPM needs to get better at communicating so that we don't get threadnaughts.

Against the Cloak while shooting as per https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134761&find=unread suggestions on how it should run.

The main concern i believe people have are with weapons that you dont need to fire more than one shot, head shot with a shotty or a scram pistol while cloak will near enough kill you depending on your fit and if they dont kill you they decloak and shoot you once more before you have time to react.