Being able to not shoot while cloak invalidates the purpose behind it. Cloak is there to give scouts the assassination role, to remain unseen. Requiring scouts to "hold it" or deactivate prior to shooting gimps us more than we are currently. No expert scout would ever even use a cloak. Especially since it "shimmers" more greatly with increased movement speed.....oh wait, aren't scouts the fastest frame in Dust.

Scouts continue to get nerfed...even the gal role bonus is getting nerfed...YAY.

So why not just make that apply to only when equipping nova knives? Or maintain cloak during any melee action.

This seems like a whole lot of paranoia over a mechanic that nobody is fully sure how it works.

Assuming there is a significant shimmer effect, I see no problem with letting people fire their weapon cloaked, but assuming that the shimmer effect is basically nil, then it should be reworked so that no shots may be fired whilst cloaked. Simple as that.

CPM i hope you will read this post.
This is from someone that KNOW what is a cloaking in video games.
- Borderlands 2
- Killzone 3
-Fallout 3 and others....

Be able to make ANYTHING that can lead to the ennemy death while cloaked will make it totally OP.

First ! cloak is a scout device.
NOT an assassin device.
Learn the diffrence and try to explain it to CCP please.

Scout is meant to grab information about the ennemy and destroy or trap the ennemy intel.
And get the objectives while Heavier units in combat suit cover them.
So here's :

1 : People must not be able to have their weapon while cloaked they must hold the device in their hand to stay cloaked.
2 : To be able to shoot they must swap weapons (Will make a sound like a flux grenade) OR they can turn it off manually to be quiet.
3 : You can't use any equipements while cloaked and 2sec after the cloak is disabled.
4- After you disabled your cloak (for any reason) everyone can see you on their passive scanners for 1 sec in a radius of 5 meters (avoid shotgun/ Nova knives assassination).
5- Anybody that hurt you disable your cloak (Careful to explosives and lfux)
6- Nobody else than Light Dropsuit (Scouts) must be able to use cloak device. Because it will be a "must have" item and will simply RUIN the game and making it a "crysis" like. And it SUCKS.
No assault / heavy / logi must be able to be cloaked it must be a scout exclusive.

That was for the drawbacks it NEED to be implemented or it will be Cloak514 for everyone.

Now the advantages than nobody talk about and could be implemented to be REALLY useful for the team :

1 : Be cloaked reduce your scanned profile (Db) per 2. You have 36Db ? Now it's 18 while cloaked.
Even a focused scanner will have difficulties to scan a cloaked scout.

2 : Walking on ANY equipements in a radisu of 2 meters (hives/remote/uplinks) will destroy them WITHOUT disabled the cloak or any penality.
Now you can cut all the ennemy intel without being spoted.
And you can defuse all the remote trap on the objectives easily.
You're FREAKING USEFUL.

3 : Being cloaked increase your hack speed about 25%, you can hack without disable the cloak.
Capture objectives and installation are EASIER and you can escape cloaked before the ennemy has comes to you.
Cloak => Run => Hack => Run away : Less than 30sec.

4 : Everybody in the radius of your passive scanner (16m) and which is detected normally now appears in the scanners of ALL YOUR TEAMATES for 5 sec.
Rush into them to spot them all. (but carefully !)

5 : If you crouch even if the ennemy is aiming you while cloaked their aim will not tilt "red".

Honestly, I'm on the fence about melee damage while cloaked and I see that as an issue separate from shooting while cloaked. Those issues can be discussed as well, again I just don't want the specter of shooting while cloaked to fall on Dust like a plague.

I don't spend much time on the forums and usually don't throw in my two cents as I don't feel it helps to often.
But I must say in this case that I completely agree with this, if firing were allowed while cloaked the game would soon fall into a state where you would have to be using a cloaking device or simply be an easy target the second you stop running. (tanks excluded though with the ability to use equipment think of how many tanks could be destroyed with remote explosives planted by a cloaked player)

I really don't feel there is any way to balance a version of cloaking where you can fire still cloaked, it would make a lot of the current combat rolls useless (the ability to take out a groups medic and still get away unseen) and think of the number of people with proto suits that will die to attacks they cant see coming and all that wasted isk....

The problem Kain is that from the stats we know, the scout bonuses are getting nerfed so we can get the bonus to the cloak. All the other suits are getting at least good bonuses, but we have an unknown bonus and you are already trying to nerf it. After a year of steady stealth nerfs to scouts.

There is no kneejerk here. It's just that with how the cloaks function being publicly posted we can talk about this openly with you all since it was previous in NDA hell. The CPM has been adamant that you should not be able to fire while cloaked from the very first time the issue of cloaks was brought up.

I agree that R F Gyro's position nails it on the head. Implement with firing disallowed. We can then see the gameplay impact and thoughtfully discuss future baby steps of iteration.

This game is bad and hasn't improved in the six months since I stopped playing.

You should all feel bad for still playing this game.

lolaimbot514

This was discussed to death over a year ago.

All I have to say the delay between decloak and shooting for scouts better be short as hell. Like, insanely short. I can get within 3m of an enemy without a cloak, fire, and have him turn around and kill me. If I have to decloak with a loud ass noise, wait a second, then fire you will have more scout deaths than before because it will hinder more than it will help.

This will be even more worthless since Minjas will be the least stealthy and shittiest with cloaks.

I'm okay with having to decloak to fire but it needs to be able to happen fluidly, fast, and natural. The more cumbersome this mechanic is for scouts the more you will be hurting the class.