I try not to damn certain game tactics or weapons as broken unless it is desperate. But rail gun tanks are just so completely broken it has me wondering if they were properly tested.

They have Huge alpha, Huge Hp, Huge Range, Huge elevation and they can be immune in the redline. Not just in the redline but they can shoot an objective from 300m in the redline. This is monstrously stupid. I cannot move in any map, or any game mode without a rail tank or three that are up to 300 meters into the redline 1 or 2 shotting my dropship. It is absolutely broken. I have even been killed at the maximum flight ceiling. Exactly what is a flying vehicles advantage if a tank can kill it anywhere in the entire sky?

They are not in need of slight balance or tweaking but plain broken to the point that they should not be in the game with the maps that we have.

I am making a video to make my point but at this stage CCP. They need to go. Now. Until they can be made to work with current map size and until you fix the broken and unbalanced redline they have to go. SImply remove the rail turret until we can make a weapon that powerful work within the limits of fair balance,

I only make threads like this if something is game breakingly bad. And I don't like to. But this is a special case. Did you know that at 250m from an objective, from a flat surface a rail tank can shoot a dropship 238 meters up?! Tanks rule the ground and the sky. At 238 meters my dropship is useless. I have to sit, in complete exposure evey single game to these distant, redline tanks. I can't use skill or tactics to avoid them. They see me all the time from complete safety. The tank can cover any area a dropship can operate in from a single spot up to 540m away (proven tested distance)

So here it is CCP. Take out that turret. Now. Until we can balance it. Its unfair and it breaks air/ground balance. CCP, you need to speak to us pilots about this. Not part-timers; but us full on dropship guys. Please engage us. In private, behind NDAs or whatever you feel is best but we really need to talk with you. This stuff needs fixing. ASAP.

I'll restress that it is the redline and the power against dropships that is the main issue. While we need weapons to fight strong tanks these weapons should not be able to dominate the sky. Thats where dropships are supposed to rule.

The buildings and inner spaces belong to the infantry. The open spaces are ruled by the tanks. The sky should belong to aerial craft, but it doesn't. Tanks are king there. We do not need, in this build with these maps a vehicle that can shoot all the way across the map and into the sky. To have a fight you and your opponent should both know that you are in that fight. 500m kills from 100 meters into the redline are not fair fights. It's simply handing kils to one player and taking ISK from another.

So Judge says remove them because they whack anything into dust, does that mean we remove snipers aswell which whack anything infantry into dust because they have a clear view of the map?

Reduce it's fire rate, projectile speed and give it drop like the PLC.

Bam, it actually takes skill to use, magic.

tankers are the princesses of dust... fact.

The only difference here is that not only can the sniper not kill vehicles or installations, his fit generally costs as much or more than the red line tank. You also can't one shot kill that red line tank, and the -only- counter is to call in your own sica that you didn't skill into, and hope he doesn't see you, and even if he does, he can generally just recall before you kill him.

I also wish people would shut up about needing wicked strong militia tanks to try tanks. You can get into a standard tank in your first week of play, militia should suck ball waffles and only be to give you a feel for the vehicles, not a no SP kill machine that takes out vehicles installations and dropsuits of all quality.

Infantry militia items =/= vehicle militia items

The main issue though is giving someone the ability to get kills and shut down entire branches of play from a zone that makes you all but immune to death. That is a balance issue, it has been a balance issue, and will continue to be a balance issue until it is fixed. The only time someone should be totally safe is when they're totally removed from combat. If you can still kill, you should be just as vulnerable to being killed as everyone else.


Sounds like you have a bad tank, and believe it or not, you aren't the only player who can call one into the red line.



Telling a dropship to fly in circles all match because you called in a free tank in the immunity zone is just stupid.

I try not to damn certain game tactics or weapons as broken unless it is desperate. But rail gun tanks are just so completely broken it has me wondering if they were properly tested.

They have Huge alpha, Huge Hp, Huge Range, Huge elevation and they can be immune in the redline. Not just in the redline but they can shoot an objective from 300m in the redline. This is monstrously stupid. I cannot move in any map, or any game mode without a rail tank or three that are up to 300 meters into the redline 1 or 2 shotting my dropship. It is absolutely broken. I have even been killed at the maximum flight ceiling. Exactly what is a flying vehicles advantage if a tank can kill it anywhere in the entire sky?

They are not in need of slight balance or tweaking but plain broken to the point that they should not be in the game with the maps that we have.

I am making a video to make my point but at this stage CCP. They need to go. Now. Until they can be made to work with current map size and until you fix the broken and unbalanced redline they have to go. SImply remove the rail turret until we can make a weapon that powerful work within the limits of fair balance,

I only make threads like this if something is game breakingly bad. And I don't like to. But this is a special case. Did you know that at 250m from an objective, from a flat surface a rail tank can shoot a dropship 238 meters up?! Tanks rule the ground and the sky. At 238 meters my dropship is useless. I have to sit, in complete exposure evey single game to these distant, redline tanks. I can't use skill or tactics to avoid them. They see me all the time from complete safety. The tank can cover any area a dropship can operate in from a single spot up to 540m away (proven tested distance)

So here it is CCP. Take out that turret. Now. Until we can balance it. Its unfair and it breaks air/ground balance. CCP, you need to speak to us pilots about this. Not part-timers; but us full on dropship guys. Please engage us. In private, behind NDAs or whatever you feel is best but we really need to talk with you. This stuff needs fixing. ASAP.

The only difference here is that not only can the sniper not kill vehicles or installations, his fit generally costs as much or more than the red line tank. You also can't one shot kill that red line tank, and the -only- counter is to call in your own sica that you didn't skill into, and hope he doesn't see you, and even if he does, he can generally just recall before you kill him.

I also wish people would shut up about needing wicked strong militia tanks to try tanks. You can get into a standard tank in your first week of play, militia should suck ball waffles and only be to give you a feel for the vehicles, not a no SP kill machine that takes out vehicles installations and dropsuits of all quality.

Infantry militia items =/= vehicle militia items

The main issue though is giving someone the ability to get kills and shut down entire branches of play from a zone that makes you all but immune to death. That is a balance issue, it has been a balance issue, and will continue to be a balance issue until it is fixed. The only time someone should be totally safe is when they're totally removed from combat. If you can still kill, you should be just as vulnerable to being killed as everyone else.

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The main issue also effects snipers but because its a tank is not the same thing?

I try not to damn certain game tactics or weapons as broken unless it is desperate. But rail gun tanks are just so completely broken it has me wondering if they were properly tested.

They have Huge alpha, Huge Hp, Huge Range, Huge elevation and they can be immune in the redline. Not just in the redline but they can shoot an objective from 300m in the redline. This is monstrously stupid. I cannot move in any map, or any game mode without a rail tank or three that are up to 300 meters into the redline 1 or 2 shotting my dropship. It is absolutely broken. I have even been killed at the maximum flight ceiling. Exactly what is a flying vehicles advantage if a tank can kill it anywhere in the entire sky?

They are not in need of slight balance or tweaking but plain broken to the point that they should not be in the game with the maps that we have.

I am making a video to make my point but at this stage CCP. They need to go. Now. Until they can be made to work with current map size and until you fix the broken and unbalanced redline they have to go. SImply remove the rail turret until we can make a weapon that powerful work within the limits of fair balance,

I only make threads like this if something is game breakingly bad. And I don't like to. But this is a special case. Did you know that at 250m from an objective, from a flat surface a rail tank can shoot a dropship 238 meters up?! Tanks rule the ground and the sky. At 238 meters my dropship is useless. I have to sit, in complete exposure evey single game to these distant, redline tanks. I can't use skill or tactics to avoid them. They see me all the time from complete safety. The tank can cover any area a dropship can operate in from a single spot up to 540m away (proven tested distance)

So here it is CCP. Take out that turret. Now. Until we can balance it. Its unfair and it breaks air/ground balance. CCP, you need to speak to us pilots about this. Not part-timers; but us full on dropship guys. Please engage us. In private, behind NDAs or whatever you feel is best but we really need to talk with you. This stuff needs fixing. ASAP.

I'm glad I'm not the only one, though I might not say they need to be removed all together, but I definitely get the sentiment.

Many of these maps they can roll so far back that you can't even use a dropship packed with remote explosives to kill them. They're too far back to kill with anything but a railgun and an orbital at the same time.

Try to kill them with a railgun, they recall. Try to kill them with an orbital, they roll backwards.

The fact that anyone can call in a railgun installation in the redline with two damage amps for 60k is definitely a big part of the problem.

Shooting from the redline is the problem, it's not just with tanks

Bump +1 Range needs to be addressed, maybe the rails round travels so fast it gets too hot and implodes after a certain distance or sharpens down to a smaller round doing less damage, maybe not but there should be a solution.

What a bunch of cry babies.

This has been this way since I can remember. The answer is to not call in your precious little flying blob where it can be seen.

CCP just needs to increase the flight ceiling. What the hell do you think is going to happen if and whey they bring out an actual AA-HAV or the like?

I didn't know that the only part of flying dropships was calling them in.

Did you know that flying around at the flight ceiling means you might as well not be in the game?

The dropship is useless apart from fast transport. What exactly do you want it to do?